MJ dropping names of who we will pursue in FA

[Chopper0080]

It's definitely a gamble. It's an interesting experiment. I was looking at future contracts and basically the only players we have signed for 2017 are Palmer, Peterson, Campbell, Veldheer and the 2015 draft class. Losing a first-round pick is a possible future cornerstone piece for ideally 5-10 years. Keim also highly values his ability to compound the value of draft picks.

I can't see him doing it, but we'll see.

I agree that it is risky and not very likely, but here is the best reasoning I can think of to make the move.

It is two first round picks, and a large contract. If you figure that you will use a first round draft pick on a OLB anyway, that makes it one additional first round. Then you figure in the age, 27 isn't bad, and maybe you sign him for 4 years. Same length as a rookie deal. So, you are essentially giving up one additional pick, and about 4 mil more per year over 4 years.

 

[WildBB]

I agree that it is risky and not very likely, but here is the best reasoning I can think of to make the move.

It is two first round picks, and a large contract. If you figure that you will use a first round draft pick on a OLB anyway, that makes it one additional first round. Then you figure in the age, 27 isn't bad, and maybe you sign him for 4 years. Same length as a rookie deal. So, you are essentially giving up one additional pick, and about 4 mil more per year over 4 years.

It would really amp up the win now mode. But If we could get him I'd like to take the chance to sign Orakpo AND use the picks to improve the future hopefully.

 

[Finito]

Oh if it comes up you absolutely have to make a run at Justin Houston. He's only 26 already a 3x pro bowl player had 22 sacks last year he's the best OLB in football.

You would have to give up 2 number 1s but let's be real. Everybody expects us to draft a pass rusher in round 1. Say you get a Bud Dupree or Harold are they going to be as good as Houston? No. Are any of these guys going to be as good as Houston is now?

We have to strike while the iron is hot. Palmer only has a few years left as does BA. This is the best Cardinal team maybe ever we are coming off back to back double digit win seasons it's time to go all in. Now or never status. Are you going to draft a player better than Houston this year? No so he's your #1 pick.

Houston
Round 2. Laken Tomlinson
Round 3. Doran Grant
Round 4. TJ Yeldon

I like that

 

[ajcardfan]

Who the heck is Taylor Kelly?

Really? I would've thought you would've known about a PAC 12 two-year starter at QB. You have such strong opinions on draft picks, and you have no clue about the starting QB at ASU?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Really? I would've thought you would've known about a PAC 12 two-year starter at QB. You have such strong opinions on draft picks, and you have no clue about the starting QB at ASU?

He lives in California...the further away a school is from USC, the fuzzier his attention on a particular prospect becomes.

 

[football karma]

Re: Houston

If you are going to spend big, why not just sign Suh and save two draft picks?

Sure he isn't the edge guy, but an equally disruptive guy in the middle to go with Campbell.

I doubt either happens, but just a thought.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Re: Houston

If you are going to spend big, why not just sign Suh and save two draft picks?

Sure he isn't the edge guy, but an equally disruptive guy in the middle to go with Campbell.

I doubt either happens, but just a thought.

I wonder if we could afford $uh, or how much he's even asking. $11 mil a year?

 

[Darkside]

I wonder if we could afford $uh, or how much he's even asking. $11 mil a year?

I don't know what he's asking but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we make a run at the dude.

 

[Finito]

Are you kidding Suh wants 20 million a year he wants JJ Watt money. He's way out of range.

 

[bg7brd]

Are you kidding Suh wants 20 million a year he wants JJ Watt money. He's way out of range.

Agree. We are not in the running for Suh.

 

[Catfish]

I just don't buy into spending so much for Justin Houston. I can see the Cards spending to get C, Wisniewski, G, Bolig, ILB, McClain, and OLB, Durant. I believe that Keim could do that for in the vicinity of 16 Mil or so. We have nearly that much available now, and would gain more by cutting Sendlein, (3-4 mil). We would be fairly young across the board with these, and would get a defensive team leader in McClain. The talent upgrade would be very significant, and while not filling ALL the holes, the remainder could be done in the draft. I would be ecstatic with these 4 FA signings.

 

[Finito]

I think if you can get a player like Houston you get him. He's the best OLB in football. To have that one guy that can just destroy a pocket by himself would make this defense so much better from good to great. You'd have CC, Houston and Peterson that's a legit pro bowl player at every level all young and all locked up.

 

[overseascardfan]

I just don't buy into spending so much for Justin Houston. I can see the Cards spending to get C, Wisniewski, G, Bolig, ILB, McClain, and OLB, Durant. I believe that Keim could do that for in the vicinity of 16 Mil or so. We have nearly that much available now, and would gain more by cutting Sendlein, (3-4 mil). We would be fairly young across the board with these, and would get a defensive team leader in McClain. The talent upgrade would be very significant, and while not filling ALL the holes, the remainder could be done in the draft. I would be ecstatic with these 4 FA signings.

I would be very skeptical about McClain, he has had run-ins with the law (to include a recent house fire that was ruled as arson), a strange retirement at age 23 and just got popped for a substance abuse violation which result in a fine but shades of D-Wash if you ask me.

 

[DVontel]

I think if you can get a player like Houston you get him. He's the best OLB in football. To have that one guy that can just destroy a pocket by himself would make this defense so much better from good to great. You'd have CC, Houston and Peterson that's a legit pro bowl player at every level all young and all locked up.

If only Peterson could actually play like a Pro Bowl player consistently instead of getting burnt & looking like a waste of money.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Totatlly agree with you there. Greg Hardy is probably the only proven elite FA pass rusher out there right now, but I don't the the Cards touch him with a 10 foot pole due to his off the field issues. Everyone else has major warts as you mention.

Dunno. The contract Aldon Smith signed might open the door for questionable characters. Assuming the nflpa doesn't fight it.

 

[Finito]

If only Peterson could actually play like a Pro Bowl player consistently instead of getting burnt & looking like a waste of money.

Fans don't really understand what we ask of Peterson. We pretty much put him on a island with no help blitz more than any other team in the NFL on passing downs. I don't think people understand how bad it can actually be.

 

[Darkside]

Fans don't really understand what we ask of Peterson. We pretty much put him on a island with no help blitz more than any other team in the NFL on passing downs. I don't think people understand how bad it can actually be.

Agree with you, but he's getting paid like that dude you describe, so he needs to do it. I don't want to see him giving up TDs.

I do agree with you, so for me that side should be locked up.

PP isn't the issue, we have issues on the D line now and LB.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Fans don't really understand what we ask of Peterson. We pretty much put him on a island with no help blitz more than any other team in the NFL on passing downs. I don't think people understand how bad it can actually be.

We get a guy like Houston rushing the QB... you will seldom see Peterson having those problems again, at the moment he is a castaway on a island due to the amount of time he is stranded out there and expected to cover lol

 

[Finito]

If only Peterson could actually play like a Pro Bowl player consistently instead of getting burnt & looking like a waste of money.

Also when you can get a dominate pass rush without having to blitz that would make your secondary look 10x better they go hand in hand

 

[Darkside]

Perhaps, but jettisoning our whole defensive line makes that difficult also. It gives up running and play action. Everything is connected. You can't just rush with one guy if our D line sucks and they can run well and play action pass.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm pretty much down with giving two first rounders for Houston. Immediately fixes a huge need for several years. Ol in FA and Houston would vastly improve the team.

 

[oaken1]

there have been cases in the past where teams agree to pay less than two first rounders for a franchised player.... two second rounders have been done if I recall correctly. If we go for Houston...look for a Danny Shelton in the first round or maybe a Jordan Phillips in the second.........a large solid NT who not only plays the run but gets sacks as well....do that and who our DE is really does not matter quite so much.

I am really leaning towards the Cards drafting one of these NT's early as this year has a few prospects who rush the passer as well as they stuff the run...... pocket pressure does not have to come from the outside.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would be very skeptical about McClain, he has had run-ins with the law (to include a recent house fire that was ruled as arson), a strange retirement at age 23 and just got popped for a substance abuse violation which result in a fine but shades of D-Wash if you ask me.

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[Finito]

Perhaps, but jettisoning our whole defensive line makes that difficult also. It gives up running and play action. Everything is connected. You can't just rush with one guy if our D line sucks and they can run well and play action pass.

I'm gonna assume we resign Kelly. The only guy your losing is Dan Williams. We lost Dockett everybody making a big deal about that but he didn't play a snap last year. And even the year before that he wasn't really a factor. Frostee Rucker played better than Dockett had in recent years honestly.

Having that one dominate pass rushing OLB makes everything easier. It's gonna make Okafor better on the other side you can't just focus on CC up front anymore.

 

[Finito]

there have been cases in the past where teams agree to pay less than two first rounders for a franchised player.... two second rounders have been done if I recall correctly. If we go for Houston...look for a Danny Shelton in the first round or maybe a Jordan Phillips in the second.........a large solid NT who not only plays the run but gets sacks as well....do that and who our DE is really does not matter quite so much.

I am really leaning towards the Cards drafting one of these NT's early as this year has a few prospects who rush the passer as well as they stuff the run...... pocket pressure does not have to come from the outside.

Dude Danny Shelton is not falling out of the top ten

We play a 3-4 our pressure does come from the outside. You use your nose tackle to eat up space and clog the middle.