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I've never seen a professional athlete that enjoys hearing himself speak as much as Curt Schilling. As far as I can tell he seems to be the foremost authority on every subject known to mankind.

Curt was getting ripped on sports radio yesterday. They were talking about when he was with Arizona, he was talked about there needs to be steroid testing because he was saying many guys were juicing.

They also were saying the reason Curt was contradicting himself was for the fear he might not have a chance to make it into the Hall of Fame if he started naming names.
 

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They also were saying the reason Curt was contradicting himself was for the fear he might not have a chance to make it into the Hall of Fame if he started naming names.
Curt38 was an important part of Diamondbacks history, but I don't believe he's Hall of Fame material.

Especially if he moves from baseball to another field after he retires.

Curt Schilling and Charles Barkley in politics someday . . . stranger things have happened. :shock:
 

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What's the maximum penalty for taking Steroids?

If it's pretty high I think that should be included in the penalty for getting caught. It is illegal right? If a player gets caught will the government punish them? It makes sense to me but I don't see it being done with other drugs...
 

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AZZenny said:
I watched most of Bunning - I'm pretty sure he doesn't have Alzheimer's (remember, early diagnosis is what I do for a living) - his responses to questions were sharp, quick, well-stated, none of the linguistic vagueness or social covering you would expect to see - think Reagan his last term.
Interesting about Bunning. I didn't watch the hearing.

He almost lost his re-election last year in what should have been a shoo-in because of the Alzheimers rumors. He was not out in public. He refused a regular debate with his opponent and they finally had a TV debate where he was in one place and the opponent in another. There was a timed delay and the rumor was that his aides were telling him everything to say.

I'm glad he sounded okay. He is a Phillies Hall of Famer, though a Republican.
 

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This is a sharp little stab from the humor site sportspickle.com.

Sammy Sosa asks his attorney how much longer he should pretend that he doesn’t speak English

Baltimore Orioles outfielder Sammy Sosa spoke at length today by phone with his attorney, getting his advice as to how much longer he should pretend that he has no grasp of the English language.
“Our whole strategy last week at the Congressional hearing was to do a sort of Chico Esquela impersonation and hide behind English being my second language,” said Sosa. “I thought I executed the plan stupendously. Everyone knows my English diction and enunciation is near fluent, but I feigned ignorance instead. You could say the man who appeared before Congress was my illiterate Doppelganger.”

But while he’s seemingly free from the focus of the steroids witch hunt for now, Sosa says he doesn’t want to snap back to fluent English too soon and bring undue heat on himself.

“What we decided is that at least for the next week or so that I’m going to start every sentence I say in public with: ‘How you say …’ and then I’m also going to say ‘si’ a lot instead of ‘yes,’” he said. “And then once the season starts everyone will have forgotten about my routine in Congress and I’ll go back to speaking normally.”
 

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Baseball Medical advisor (Steroids doctor) is a fake

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball's medical adviser, who praised baseball's steroids policy and challenged its critics while testifying before Congress, has discrepancies in biographical statements about his professional and educational credentials, according to a newspaper report.

The discrepancies appear in media guides and handouts with information about Dr. Elliot J. Pellman, an internist who is also team doctor for the New York Jets and the New York Islanders, The New York Times reported in a story posted on its Web site Tuesday night.

Pellman, also a former president of the National Football League Physicians Society, told the Times he had not tried to mislead anybody. He characterized the errors as minor, said he would correct them and primarily blamed the discrepancies on other people, including his secretary and the Jets.

"In a way, I thank you, because those discrepancies are not important enough to be there, and they have all been fixed," he told the newspaper.

Pellman's bio in the New York Jets media guide states he has a medical degree from the State University of New York at Stony Brook. But the Times report said state records show Pellman attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico, and received a medical degree from the New York State Education Department after a one-year residency at SUNY-Stony Brook. He does not hold an M.D. from Stony Brook, according to Dan Rosett, a university hospital spokesman.

When the Times informed Jets vice president Ron Colangelo of the discrepency, he said: "So SUNY said he didn't get an M.D. from there? Oh my goodness, oh my goodness gracious."

Colangelo told the Times that the Jets send Pellman his biography every year for fact-checking. "You ask them every year to read their bio, but they usually don't," he told the paper.

And in papers sent to Harvard University for a seminar and to the House Committee on Government Reform, which held hearings on steroids in baseball two weeks ago, Pellman identified himself as an associate clinical professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.

But he is an assistant clinical professor, a lower-ranking and honorary position that is held by thousands of doctors. Pellman does not teach at Albert Einstein, and his associate status is pending.

The Times reviewed Pellman's credentials after his nationally televised appearance before the House committee on March 17. He was added to the hearing at the request of Major League Baseball and staunchly defended baseball's steroids policies.

When informed of the errors in Pellman's biography, Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, the ranking minority member on the House committee, told The New York Times in a statement: "This new information raises further questions about (Pellman's) credibility and the credibility of baseball's steroid policy."

Robert D. Manfred Jr., baseball's executive vice president, said the errors were insignificant. He said it was unfair to criticize Pellman for the false listing of an M.D. from SUNY in the shortened version of his bio from the Jets.

"I don't see why it should impact his credibility, I really don't," Manfred said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

This is the pompous arrogant clown, who sat at the table and denounced Congress as invasive irritants
 

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Djaughe said:
Interesting....but methinks it ain't gonna happen.

Politician wants Maris' record reinstated

How do we know Maris' record is "pure"? I mean, look at the guy's career numbers:

12 seasons in the majors, 275 career home runs, 133 of those in three years. That's almost 50% of his home runs in 25% of his career. Not to mention he hit 40 only once (pretty obvious which year).
 

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Homer Simpson said:
How do we know Maris' record is "pure"? I mean, look at the guy's career numbers:

12 seasons in the majors, 275 career home runs, 133 of those in three years. That's almost 50% of his home runs in 25% of his career. Not to mention he hit 40 only once (pretty obvious which year).
Batting in front of Mickey Mantle made the difference.

If Mantle had hit third and Maris cleanup, Roger probably would have had another marginal year, but Mantle probably would not have approached 60 in front of Maris.
 

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This is stupid.

Half the records in baseball would have to be changed. Ty Cobb was a notorious bad sport and a cheater. He got a lot of his steals as a result of middle infielders fear of getting spiked with his sharpened cleats.

How many no hitters, strike outs etc. were due to pitchers scuffing or greasing balls? How many home runs do you think were hit with corked bats?

I love all the cheating that goes in in baseball, its part of the game.

The steroid issue IMO is all about protecting kids from using harmful drugs not catching cheaters.
 
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Honestly I think they should grandfather all the records in and now that we have a "plan" (I use that term loosely) we should go after any future offenders.

You could debate all day who is eligable and who isn't..... Gaylord Perry and his days of ball doctoring didn't hurt his records... why should any other cheating? Unless you are prepared to go after everyone, you can't make an example of a few
 

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Try 'Mexico' - pretty good explanation why Cactus League is an issue.

Interesting at least 21 of the 38 are Latino players.
 

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AZZenny said:
Try 'Mexico' - pretty good explanation why Cactus League is an issue.

Interesting at least 21 of the 38 are Latino players.


Jose Canseco = Latin Player

Coincidence?
 

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Steroid suspensions

Herrera was the Northwest League Most Valueable Player for 2004. At 5'11" and 200 lbs per his 2004 bio info, I am a bit surprised to see him among this list.

As far as most of the players being from the Cactus League, is it possible that all the results aren't in for the Grapefruit League? After all, only one violator was reported one day and then the other 37 were identified. Just a thought ...
 

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Article in Baseball America said that they don't have the results from the Grapefruit League yet. The guy from the Cards was caught in off-season testing.

That's why these guys are all cactus league.
 

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Steriods?

With all the talk about steriods I wanted to get some opinions on what people think about elbow surgery. Isn't having a surgery to repair your tendon with a "better one"... isn't that cheating as well?


thoughts?
 

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No. People don't just go and get voluntary reconstructive surgery on their elbow to enhance their performance. They get the surgery because the first ligament is torn. The new ligament is not better it is just intact.

The reason why some of these guys throw harder after surgery is because during the rehabilitation they work harder on strengthening and conditioning than they probably ever have before in their career.
 

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cards 24-7-365 said:
No. People don't just go and get voluntary reconstructive surgery on their elbow to enhance their performance. They get the surgery because the first ligament is torn. The new ligament is not better it is just intact.

The reason why some of these guys throw harder after surgery is because during the rehabilitation they work harder on strengthening and conditioning than they probably ever have before in their career.


but can't it be said that steriods has the same affect. I mean if you take this substance thinking it will make you stronger and therefore you convince yourself to work harder.. wouldn't you be doing the same thing?


Dont get me wrong I think taking steriods are wrong ( because of the message it sends to kids) I am just confused why people are so upset with people like Canseco and Mcguire and such that tooks this stuff when it was not illegal nor has it been clearly proven that it actually helped their game.
 
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clif said:
but can't it be said that steriods has the same affect. I mean if you take this substance thinking it will make you stronger and therefore you convince yourself to work harder.. wouldn't you be doing the same thing?

You're comparing apples to oranges in this instance. Steroids allow you to train longer and harder having Tommy John surgery does not.

The only problem I have with TJ surgery is the jerk'assd fathers who have their 13-14 year old sons get the surgery to be ahead of the other kids
 

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Ryanwb said:
You're comparing apples to oranges in this instance. Steroids allow you to train longer and harder having Tommy John surgery does not.

The only problem I have with TJ surgery is the jerk'assd fathers who have their 13-14 year old sons get the surgery to be ahead of the other kids



That is exactly my point. what would stop a father from having his son go through surgery just so he can get the stronger tendon and throw harder?


If they want to eliminate "performance enhancers" then why not limit what types of medical procedures can be done? Its a little out there, but I can see the comparison
 

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