Mocks for Suns

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

He's still got Hasheem Thabeet in there. Federico is a bit slow on the uptake...

 

[jlove]

Well, if the Suns are posturing and smoke screening about taking Rush, then it's definitely taking effect with the Media. I just want to have a good if not great take from the draft. There are a lot of good players in this draft. IMO, outside of the Top 3 (Rose, Beasley and Mayo), the 4-27 players are all within striking distance of each other as far as potential and team impact as they come. IMO, I feel that the Top 27-28 projected picks all have the potential of being an All-Star at least once in their careers.

 

[Irish]

Well, if the Suns are posturing and smoke screening about taking Rush, then it's definitely taking effect with the Media. I just want to have a good if not great take from the draft. There are a lot of good players in this draft. IMO, outside of the Top 3 (Rose, Beasley and Mayo), the 4-27 players are all within striking distance of each other as far as potential and team impact as they come. IMO, I feel that the Top 27-28 projected picks all have the potential of being an All-Star at least once in their careers.

Griffin sounded a similar theme. It sound like they they think they will get somebody they can use.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Bump for Update request!

 

[Irish]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/06/23/20080623sunsdraft0624.html

Unpredictability rules draft

1st 14 selections will decide which direction Suns take

76 commentsby Paul Coro - Jun. 23, 2008 11:04 PM
The Arizona Republic
The hard thing about anticipating what the Suns can get in Thursday's draft is the unpredictability of the 14 picks ahead of them. For an inkling, The Republic asked reporters to make picks for teams they cover.

1. Chicago, Derrick Rose, Memphis, PG. "The speedy point guard is the perfect fit to quarterback coach Vinny Del Negro's preferred up-tempo offensive attack," the Chicago Tribune's K.C. Johnson said.

2. Miami, Michael Beasley, Kansas State, PF. "Whether the Heat keeps the second-best prospect in the draft is another question. Because the Heat owes next year's first-round pick to Minnesota, it first must exercise a selection before dealing," the Sun-Sentinel's Ira Winderman said.

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3. Minnesota, O.J. Mayo, Southern California, SG. "He is the third most talented player - maybe even as much as the first two - and he fills three of the Wolves' big needs," the Minneapolis Star-Tribune's Jerry Zgoda said.

4. Seattle, Jerryd Bayless, Arizona, G. "The Sonics are not in love with him, which is why they're shopping the pick for veteran help," the Seattle Times' Percy Allen said.

5. Memphis, Kevin Love, UCLA, PF. "They like his offensive skills and basketball IQ. He had a great workout, displaying midrange shooting touch and passing ability against taller, more athletic post players," the Commercial Appeal's Ron Tillery said.

6. New York, Danilo Gallinari, Italy, SF. "Very smart, very strong player who has tremendous upside and the Italian pedigree which Mike D'Antoni can relate to," Newsday's Alan Hahn said.

7. Los Angeles Clippers, Eric Gordon, Indiana, SG. "What the Clippers really need is a point guard but a scoring perimeter player is too much to pass up here," the Los Angeles Times' Jonathan Abrams said.

8. Milwaukee, Russell Westbrook, UCLA, PG. "They have said over and over that, after winning 26 games, they will take the best player available, regardless of position because they need so much help," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Tom Enlund said.

9. Charlotte, Brook Lopez, Stanford, C. "In this scenario, I think they take Lopez, on the simple logic they need more bigs and Lopez has huge value at No. 9," the Charlotte Observer's Rick Bonnell said.

10. New Jersey, Joe Alexander, West Virginia, SF. "He's raw but upwardly mobile, as reflected by that 12-foot reach. Since Jersey always is a BPA (best player available) type of crew, he's the logical, athletic alternative," the Star-Ledger's Dave D'Allesandro said.

11. Indiana, D.J. Augustin, Texas, PG. "They need a point guard after basically playing the position by committee last season. Augustin is the best still available," the Indianapolis Star's Mike Wells said.

12. Sacramento, Anthony Randolph, Louisiana State, SF. "Since players they want didn't drop, they'll go for the best frontcourt player," the Sacramento Bee's Ailene Voisin said.

13. Portland, Brandon Rush, Kansas, SG. The Oregonian's Jason Quick said the pick will be traded but he played along, adding, "The player they liked best in workouts was Augustin, but once he goes off the board, they grab the best shooting small forward they can get."

14. Golden State, Donte Greene, Syracuse, SF. "The Warriors can never have enough big wing players. He is a proven shooter. He won't help their rebounding or defensive needs, but he's a safe pick with upside," the San Francisco Chronicle's Janny Hu said.

So who's left?


If the coinciding list held true, here are some Suns' options at No. 15:
• Alexis Ajinca, France, 7-0, 220, C: At 20, he barely has played pro ball but has a shot and wingspan.

• Darrell Arthur, Kansas, 6-9, 225, PF: Cousin of Quinton Ross worked out Monday for Phoenix.

• Nicolas Batum, France, 6-8, 190, SG: Highly skilled but, at 19, would need more overseas seasoning.

• Mario Chalmers, Kansas, 6-1, 190, PG: He's the only point guard option but is unproven as a point.

• Roy Hibbert, Georgetown, 7-2, 275, C: If the Suns have worked him out, it was on the down-low.

• J.J. Hickson, North Carolina State, 6-9, 242, PF: Not touted this highly, he is a well-built sleeper.

• DeAndre Jordan, Texas A&M, 7
-0, 260, C: Promising, athletic backup has a multiteam workout in Phoenix today to improve his draft position.

• Kosta Koufos, Ohio State, 7-0, 265, C: He's big, can shoot and run and play power forward or center.

• Robin Lopez, Stanford, 7-0, 255, C: Not as offensively gifted as his twin but rebounds and defends well.

• JaVale McGee, Nevada, 7-0, 237, C: Pam McGee's kid is long, runs the floor and has big upside.

• Marreese Speights, Florida, 6-10, 245, PF: Also a long big man, he has offensive skills and a motor.

• Jason Thompson, Rider, 6-11, 250, PF: Phoenix saw the well-rounded big man work out twice.

 

[carey]

I don't like anyone left on that list.

 

[sunsallday]

#1-We need to draft a wing player. Brandon Rush is the answer. He can shoot the three, is a good defender, and can create a shot for himself even though its a little rusty. He averaged 13.8 ppg, he could of averaged more, but he was unselfish and loved and trusted his teammates. He needs to start at SG and let Raja Bell come off the bench.

#2-We will need to sign a SF so Hill can come off the bench through free agency. Hill is playing amazing for his age, but he needs to come off the bench. Players like Jamal Richardson or Margette. Or we can make Alando Tucker be our starting SF. Believe me, he is a hard worker and was a Pac 10 player. He has great athleticism and plays like Shawn Marion. People say he can't shoot and shoot the three, but Shawn Marion wasn't really a great shooter(good, but not great). However, he did improve his shooting and can shoot the 3(40% I heard) and he blew up in the D-League. He also is working on his game this summer, and if he proves himself, we have ourself a starting small forward. I'm not really sold on Alexander though.

#3-We need a backup point guard. Selling away our picks and passing on players killed us. IMO, Steve Nash is still one of the top 3 point guards, but he is 34 and needs rest. Dantoni was maniac playing him all those minutes and ****ing over our rookies and draft picks off to other teams. DJ Strawberry could be our backup, and he plays excellent defense. However, we also need a point guard for the future. We will either have to deal with Knicks if they get a lottery point guard(Dantoni hates rookies, he is not a teacher and is a gimmicky overrated coach), sign TJ Ford, get a PG in 2010 through free agency(CP3 comes to mind, but doubt it), or make Nash our starting PG again in 2010.

#4-We need to resign Brian Skinner and Sean Marks. They play hard and Skinner is a spectacular shot blocker(I saw him block Duncan multiple times). We also to sign Gordan Giriceck. Extend his contract, he is sharpshoota!!!

#5-Add more bench players through free agency to improve our youth and bench.

#6-Find a starting Center through free agency or make Skinner our center in the starting lineup. Just find a decent center. Also if Shaq is out of shape and can't run, we need to get rid of his ass somehow or we will SUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKK!!!

#7-We need to get rid of either Diaw or Barbosa, or even both. I personally want Diaw to go as he is soft, a *****, and he is inconsistent. Wow he played good against San Antonio. For what, only two games. This is Diaw's problem, he shows glimspes of greatness, then turns to ****. Barbosa can't defend for his life, and is hard headed always driving to the basket. However, I want Barbosa to stay as he can be taught to defend well using his quickness, length, and endurance. Diaw parties every ****ing night, and his commitment to basketball is in question behind closed doors. He sucks!!!

So for 2009-2010, we could have this

PG-Steve Nash/Strawberry/Ford or draft pick/Free Agent

SG-Brandon Rush/Raja Bell/GG/Barbosa(if he stays)

PF-Amare Stoudemire/Sean Marks

SF-Alando Tucker or free agent/Grant Hill/Boris Diaw(if he stays)

C-SHAQ/Brian Skinner

This will create a flexible team that has veteran players on floor mixed with athletic youngsters. However, if Shaq sucks even worse or is in the same shape when the season starts, he needs to go. We will need to get rid of his fat ass or make Brian Skinner start for his shot blocking.

 

[Irish]

I think Shaq will contribute a lot. Last season after he was injured and traded to the Suns, his numbers weren't that bad:

12.9 ppg 61.1% shooting, and 10.6 rpg in 28.7 minutes.

Shaq's rebounding is crucial to what the Suns need to have a defnese that does not giv up a vast number of second chance points. With the Suns, Shaq had a 0.369 per minute rebounding average.

When Marion was with the team earlier in the season, Shawn averaged 0.27 rebounds per minute. KT averaged 0.349 with Seattle and 0.26, per minute with the Spurs.

Considering that Shaq came off and injury and was used away from the basket when he first came to the team, IMHO his rebounding is pretty good. Obviously he needs to be in better condition, But even with his "fat ass" he still can score and rebound awfully well.

IMHO, the real issue is his free throw shooting. Clearly Hack-A-Shaq is a problem, but he's hardly the only one.

 

[sunsallday]

Hopefully he can run fast enough so that we can still run and be exciting. We also need to take him out at the end of games. If Stoudemire improves his defense and becomes a good defender(I don't care what anyone says, he can become a excellent defender), then we can leave him on Tim Duncan so Shaq can be on the bench at the end of games with Skinner in.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

#2-We will need to sign a SF so Hill can come off the bench through free agency. Hill is playing amazing for his age, but he needs to come off the bench. Players like Jamal Richardson or Margette. Or we can make Alando Tucker be our starting SF. Believe me, he is a hard worker and was a Pac 10 player. He has great athleticism and plays like Shawn Marion. People say he can't shoot and shoot the three, but Shawn Marion wasn't really a great shooter(good, but not great). However, he did improve his shooting and can shoot the 3(40% I heard) and he blew up in the D-League. He also is working on his game this summer, and if he proves himself, we have ourself a starting small forward. I'm not really sold on Alexander though.

i'm sorry, do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? who is "jamal richardson?" who is "margette?" tucker played for wisconsin - that's the BIG 10, not the PAC 10. tucker has light years to go before he's even as consistent as the inconsistent shawn marion as a shooter at this point. and you want to start a kid on a "contender" (and i use that term loosely as i believe the window to be firmly shut) who couldn't garner ANY mins last season???

 

[jlove]

NEW MOCKS FOR SUNS.....as of 1555 PST on 24 June 2008

@15
18 x Rush
9 x Greene
7 x Koufos
5 x Jordan
5 x Alexander
5 x Arthur
3 x CDR
2 x R. Lopez
2 x McGee
1 x Chalmers
1 x Batum
1 x Randolph
1 x Augustin

One website had us doing a Barbosa/Diaw/#15 for R. Jefferson/#10
they had us taking Gallinari @ #10

@48
2 x Giddens
2 x Foster
2 x Dorsey
2 x Davon Jefferson
2 x Plaisted
2 x Calathes
1 x Lofton
1 x George Hill
1 x Forbes
1 x Nikola Pekovic
1 x Beaubois
1 x CJ Giles
1 x Taylor
1 x Gist

 

[sunsallday]

i'm sorry, do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? who is "jamal richardson?" who is "margette?" tucker played for wisconsin - that's the BIG 10, not the PAC 10. tucker has light years to go before he's even as consistent as the inconsistent shawn marion as a shooter at this point. and you want to start a kid on a "contender" (and i use that term loosely as i believe the window to be firmly shut) who couldn't garner ANY mins last season???

Maggette is the last name of small forward Corey Maggette who plays for the Los Angeles Clippers. Jamal Richardson is a mistake I made as I meant Richard Jefferson who plays small forward for the New Jersey Nets. Tucker was not even able to show his ability to score because Dantoni wouldn't play him. Dantoni hated playing rookies and used a tiresome 7-8 man rotation. I have seen him play, and his athleticism is through the roof. Many say he can't shoot or hit a free throw but he shot 80% from the free throw line even though he shot 30% from the field. However, in the D-League, he improved his shooting and shot 40% from behind the arc and had over 50% field goal percentage. He averaged 27.7 ppg. I believe he will be a better shooter than Marion. I also said if he can prove himself, he might become our starter one day even if he doesn't this season

I also made mistake with the Big 10 by calling it the Pac 10. Oh and about the window being closed, you can't make that prediction before the season even starts. Did anybody expect New Orleans to contend or the Lakers making the Finals. You can't make predictions about title opportunities when the season didn't even start. Did the Lakers make the finals. Yes. But does that mean they will automatically make it again. Absolutely not. It is very hard to make the Finals as injuries can happen at anytime, somebody could want it more, or a team hits a game winning shot and eliminates you. I don't believe the window is shut until the season starts.

 

[carey]

Jamal Richardson is a mistake I made as I meant Jeffery Richard who plays small forward for the New Jersey Nets. T

*Richard Jefferson*

 

[Bigdez22]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/06/23/20080623sunsdraft0624.html

Talk about worst case.......Arthur or Jordan

 

[The Commish]

"Jeffrey Richard"

Wow.

 

[sunsallday]

*Richard Jefferson*

Mistake again. His name is extremely easy to forget.

 

[Bigdez22]

Mistake again. His name is extremely easy to forget.

I would say ok if your not from AZ.......Played high school ball in PHX.....Played at the U of A and played in a national championship game in 2001.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

sunsallday

You have failed.

 

[Irish]

I'm getting nervious about the Suns chances of getting Rush. Oddly enough most Mocks have him listed at #15 or lower, but I fear Portland will take him even without the Cavs involvement.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

Pick No. 13: Portland Trail Blazers

Bill Simmons selects: Brandon Rush, Kansas

I was going to pick Dr. James Andrews here but didn't want to be getting hate mail from Blazers fans all summer. Assuming they don't deal this pick -- and that seems eminently possible -- Rush makes the most sense because he'd give them enough depth at the swing spots to dangle Travis Outlaw along with one of their point guards, the rights to Rudy Fernandez and/or gobs of Paul Allen's cash for a legitimate point guard or an elite combo guard like Leandro Barbosa. I am totally, completely, unequivocally sold on Rush -- he plays D, runs the floor, makes 3s and proved himself in big spots. As James Posey just showed with the Celtics, you can win the title with a guy like that. My only hope is that his brothers don't move in with him. If that happens, all bets are off.

By the way, tell me who doesn't make this trade: Outlaw, Channing Frye, the rights to Fernandez, the No. 13 and $3 million for Conley, Brian Cardinal and No. 5. Just curious.

Ford: I think Rush is the guy too. The Blazers have three alpha dogs in LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. What they need is a fit guy.

Rush drove me crazy at KU because I never thought he played up to his potential. But as he moves into the NBA, his willingness to submit to other teammates will help him. He doesn't have All-Star talent and seems like he'd be content playing a role on a good team. He shoots, he defends, he runs the floor. Good pick.

By the way, is Kevin Pritchard the most fun GM in the league? The guy is working on roughly 150 trade proposals as we speak. He has no qualms about calling up a team and saying, "How about Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez for Dwyane Wade." He won't blink an eye.

And you know what? I know it irritates some of the old school GMs, but Pritchard gets it done. Most trade talks fail. He decided to tackle that problem by tripling the trade call volume. I love it.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

RealGM just released their new mock as well

http://realgm.com/src_feature/1275/20080624/2008_nba_mock_draft_version_120_(late_tuesday_edition)/

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1. Derrick Rose
Point Guard. Memphis

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2. Michael Beasley
Power Forward. Kansas State

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3. O.J. Mayo
Shooting Guard. USC

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4. Jerryd Bayless
Combo Guard. Arizona

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5. Kevin Love
Power Forward. UCLA

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6. Russell Westbrook
Combo Guard. UCLA

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7. Danilo Gallinari
Small Forward. Italy

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8. Joe Alexander
Small Forward. West Virginia

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9. Brook Lopez
Center. Stanford

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10. Anthony Randolph
Power Forward. LSU

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11. D.J. Augustin
Point Guard. Texas

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12. Eric Gordon
Shooting Guard. Indiana

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13. Brandon Rush
Shooting Guard. Kansas

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14. Marreese Speights
Power Forward. Florida

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15. Donte Greene
Small Forward. Syracuse

I've been told that GMs are reconsidering their previous opinions of Greene and are realizing that he has an excellent chance of being the player many teams are afraid of passing on.

A situation like Phoenix where he can be a second option would be ideal for Greene. He is a much more versatile scorer than people give him credit for and would thrive playing alongside the personnel they have there.

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16. Darrell Arthur
Power Forward. Kansas

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17. Robin Lopez
Forward/Center. Stanford

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18. Kosta Koufos
Center. Ohio State

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19. J.J. Hickson
Power Forward. N.C. State

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20. Mario Chalmers
Point Guard. Kansas

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21. DeAndre Jordan
Center. Texas A&M

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22. Chris Douglas-Roberts
Shooting Guard. Memphis

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23. Roy Hibbert
Center. Georgetown

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24. Alexis Ajinca
Center. HTV Hyeres-Toulon


25. Javale McGee
Center. Nevada


26. Nicolas Batum
Small Forward. France


27. Bill Walker
Small Forward. Kansas State


28. J.R. Giddens
Shooting Guard. New Mexico


29. Jason Thompson
Power Forward. Rider


30. Courtney Lee
Shooting Guard. Western Kentucky

wtf 25 image limit

 

[mojorizen7]

sunsallday

You have failed.

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Wanna get away.....?

 

[mojorizen7]

With the 48th pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Phoenix Suns select.....a tall,skinny white Euro who can't play.

 

[sunsallday]

 

[mojorizen7]

Don't give up,at least you're not a Laker's fan bragging about their "no-show" Finals team on a SUNS board.

 

[Big Deal]

Try this...Take the plural out of your handle and start posting on the Arizona forums at weatherchannel.com. That way you start off with tons of credibilty right off the bat!