morons kings fans disrespecting the suns

[Chaplin]

It was a long tirade about how the Kings are whiners and how the Suns will dominate them.

I wish I had saved it when I read it.

Well of course a Kings board will delete a post like that. There's a reason why there aren't any trolls on this board. Not to say Chris is a Troll, but there is no denying that is EXACTLY what those Kings fans would think if he went on there and says stuff like we'd "dominate" them (which is untrue, by the way).

 

[Cheesebeef]

as far as the block being totally clean:

http://users.telenet.be/elpaljasso/proof2.bmp

that ball is clearly above the cylinder. We got away with one last night - but that's the way the NBA is. If Miller hits that layup (just like if Marion hits that Layup he missed with a 1:30 left against SA) there's probably no discussion of anything else.

But jeez - they really are a bunch of whining babies. I'd be more upset losing a 16 point lead - like I was in the Spurs game - than the calls. If youlet the game come down to the last second, anything can happen in that short a time period.

 

[Chaz]

to be honest Chaz - I don't know - on the road? Remember early in the season when Nash went out with a concussion at home against NO who was COMPLETELY DEFEATED at the time - what happened - we barley won in the final 30 seconds when Amare hit a 20 footer.

We certainly couldn't paste anyone like the Spurs did last night w/o Nash. Hell - the Kings went on a 18-4 run the second Nash went out in the 3rd last night.

Early in the season was early in the season. You have to admit the Suns are a better team than they were at the beginning of the season.

I'll admit the Suns would probably not hold them to 84 points like the Spurs did but I think they would win. Just losing Nash right now would not make us as bad as we were during the 6 game losing streak.

Honestly.


I will say also that Nash single handedly kept us in the game in the second quarter. Without him we would not have beat the Kings last night.

 

[Chaz]

as far as the block being totally clean:

http://users.telenet.be/elpaljasso/proof2.bmp

that ball is clearly above the cylinder. We got away with one last night - but that's the way the NBA is. If Miller hits that layup (just like if Marion hits that Layup he missed with a 1:30 left against SA) there's probably no discussion of anything else.

But jeez - they really are a bunch of whining babies. I'd be more upset losing a 16 point lead - like I was in the Spurs game - than the calls. If youlet the game come down to the last second, anything can happen in that short a time period.

That picture doesn't prove anything but a block.

If it was over the cylinder Amare's arm would be hitting the rim.
Amare's hand is on the ball how is the rim not in the way of his arm? Because the ball is not deep enough to be within the cylinder.

From the other end of the court the ball appears over the basket but you cannot tell the depth from that angle.

I think the over basket camera would show it.

 

[clif]

as far as the block being totally clean:

http://users.telenet.be/elpaljasso/proof2.bmp

that ball is clearly above the cylinder. We got away with one last night - but that's the way the NBA is. If Miller hits that layup (just like if Marion hits that Layup he missed with a 1:30 left against SA) there's probably no discussion of anything else.

But jeez - they really are a bunch of whining babies. I'd be more upset losing a 16 point lead - like I was in the Spurs game - than the calls. If youlet the game come down to the last second, anything can happen in that short a time period.

That view is from behind the action. Just because the ball was at a higher level than the rim does not mean it was in the cylinder. If that was the case then any time the ball goes up past the rim then it would be a goal tend no matter where on the court it happens.

My explaining may not relay what I am trying to say. In essence the ball was not close enough to the basket nor was it descending towards the cyclinder to be considered a goaltend IMO

 

[Cheesebeef]

That view is from behind the action. Just because the ball was at a higher level than the rim does not mean it was in the cylinder. If that was the case then any time the ball goes up past the rim then it would be a goal tend no matter where on the court it happens.

My explaining may not relay what I am trying to say. In essence the ball was not close enough to the basket nor was it descending towards the cyclinder to be considered a goaltend IMO

you're wrong Clif. That ball is above the basket and YES - any time a ball is above the basket - it's a goal tend - period.

I can't believe you guys are even trying to argue this - makes me laugh.

 

[Mulli]

you're wrong Clif. That ball is above the basket and YES - any time a ball is above the basket - it's a goal tend - period.

I can't believe you guys are even trying to argue this - makes me laugh.

If it was Sam Cassell, you would be singing a different tune.

 

[Chaz]

you're wrong Clif. That ball is above the basket and YES - any time a ball is above the basket - it's a goal tend - period.

I can't believe you guys are even trying to argue this - makes me laugh.

If the ball was over the basket.

HOW IS AMARE'S HAND ON THE BALL AND HIS ARM NOT THROUGH THE RIM?


I cracks me up that you can know for sure it was a GT from that angle.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Early in the season was early in the season. You have to admit the Suns are a better team than they were at the beginning of the season.

I'll admit the Suns would probably not hold them to 84 points like the Spurs did but I think they would win. Just losing Nash right now would not make us as bad as we were during the 6 game losing streak.

Honestly.

Honestly Chaz? Nash went out and we immeditaley went all the way down to 16 points - then in the 3rd, when we went up 4 - he went out, and we immediately went down 8 points. I have zero faith, that on the road, this team could whip ANYONE else - could they possibly beat the Bobcats - probably - but it is FAR from a far gone conclusion - again 37 percent shooting from Amare - from 109 to 84 points a game - and this was just two weeks ago.

And I don't think this team is all that much better than early in the season - we were rolling people then and we're rolling people now - but the difference without Nash is crystal clear - it was then, it was during the losing streak and it was during the 2nd and 3rd quarter breaks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If the ball was over the basket.

HOW IS AMARE'S HAND ON THE BALL AND HIS ARM NOT THROUGH THE RIM?


I cracks me up that you can know for sure it was a GT from that angle.

HE WAS COMING FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE CHAZ!

Good lord - it wasn't as if he was just standing there and went up for the block - remember - he was rotating down - FROM THE MIDDLE of the lane. I mean are saying that there's no way for a player to block a shot that's over the cylinder?

 

[clif]

you're wrong Clif. That ball is above the basket and YES - any time a ball is above the basket - it's a goal tend - period.

I can't believe you guys are even trying to argue this - makes me laugh.

Laugh away, but the ball was not over the cylinder. That poor ass quality pic from behind does not prove anything. I would tend to believe a ref standing right there over some second day guessing of a photograph.

any time a ball is above the basket - it's a goal tend - period.

Where does it say that in the rule book?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Where does it say that in the rule book?

you're kidding me, right?

 

[clif]

you're kidding me, right?

nope

 

[Chaz]

Honestly Chaz? Nash went out and we immeditaley went all the way down to 16 points - then in the 3rd, when we went up 4 - he went out, and we immediately went down 8 points. I have zero faith, that on the road, this team could whip ANYONE else - could they possibly beat the Bobcats - probably - but it is FAR from a far gone conclusion - again 37 percent shooting from Amare - from 109 to 84 points a game - and this was just two weeks ago.

And I don't think this team is all that much better than early in the season - we were rolling people then and we're rolling people now - but the difference without Nash is crystal clear - it was then, it was during the losing streak and it was during the 2nd and 3rd quarter breaks.

Last night Marion(early), Richardson, and Jackson all had sub par games. I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yes, the Suns offense has been terrible at times without Nash on the floor. Then sometimes they increase the lead with Nash out. The defense has been spotty no matter who is out there.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Last night Marion(early), Richardson, and Jackson all had sub par games. I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yes, the Suns offense has been terrible at times without Nash on the floor. Then sometimes they increase the lead with Nash out. The defense has been spotty no matter who is out there.

they increase the lead against BAD teams maybe - but against any team with a pulse (see the Spurs game as well - instantly the lead shrunk from 17 to 10 in the first 2:30 of the fourth of that game) - it's hold your breath time when Nash goes out - to say otherwise is being extremely homeristic IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

nope

well then ther'es no point talking to you on this subject.

 

[Chaz]

HE WAS COMING FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE CHAZ!

Good lord - it wasn't as if he was just standing there and went up for the block - remember - he was rotating down - FROM THE MIDDLE of the lane. I mean are saying that there's no way for a player to block a shot that's over the cylinder?

I am saying he would have had to reach out over the cylinder.

The operative phrase here is "within the cylinder". Look at the video. The ball was in front of the rim, Amare's arm was stright up not reaching out over the cylinder.
From the other end the angle is flawed becuse the ball is closer to the camera than the front of the rim. Sure it looks like the ball is over the cylinder from 90 ft away but it is not.

 

[KJ7]

That picture doesn’t prove anything because it can’t show “depth.” I could stand on the free-throw line, throw a ball straight up in the air and have someone take a picture of it at half court or the other baseline. If he took the picture at the right time it would look like the ball was right above the cylinder, when in reality it was 15 feet away.

 

[Chaz]

they increase the lead against BAD teams maybe - but against any team with a pulse (see the Spurs game as well - instantly the lead shrunk from 17 to 10 in the first 2:30 of the fourth of that game) - it's hold your breath time when Nash goes out - to say otherwise is being extremely homeristic IMO.

Whatever Cheese,

You watch 10-20 games a year but you are the expert.


What is your point anyway? The Suns will struggle against good teams without Nash?

SO WHAT? That is why they are considered good teams!

 

[Cheesebeef]

That picture doesn’t prove anything because it can’t show “depth.” I could stand on the free-throw line, throw a ball straight up in the air and have someone take a picture of it at half court or the other baseline. If he took the picture at the right time it would look like the ball was right above the cylinder, when in reality it was 15 feet away.

so you're saying that the Brad Miller's shot is basically IN FRONT of the rim - he missed the shot THAT BADLY? I mean in essence - Amare's block was superflous since if the ball wasn't really over the basket AT ALL, there's no way it would have gone - that's what you are saying?

We got a call - it happens - to try and play it off as if we didn't just makes me shake me head.

 

[clif]

well then ther'es no point talking to you on this subject.

could've guessed your answer

 

[clif]

I am saying he would have had to reach out over the cylinder.

The operative phrase here is "within the cylinder". Look at the video. The ball was in front of the rim, Amare's arm was stright up not reaching out over the cylinder.
From the other end the angle is flawed becuse the ball is closer to the camera than the front of the rim. Sure it looks like the ball is over the cylinder from 90 ft away but it is not.

exactly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Whatever Cheese,

You watch 10-20 games a year but you are the expert.


What is your point anyway? The Suns will struggle against good teams without Nash?

SO WHAT? That is why they are considered good teams!

wow - Chaz - someone's not happy with me. All I was saying weas that bakc-up PG is a sore spot - does that make me an "expert" - no - a moron could tell you that much.

And my problem is that the Suns will probably struggle against ANYONE without Nash - just as they did last season. I mean we didn't just struggle without Nash during that stretch where he was out - we flat out STUNK.

What's your problem here?

 

[Cheesebeef]

could've guessed your answer

honestly clif - stick to football, er, uh...

The fact that you think if the ball is over the basket that is fair game speaks volumes to me - that is why it's not much fun talking about anything.

You want to make the argument that somehow Miller missed the shot SOOO badly that he threw the ball IN FRONT of the rim, rather than short-arming it fine - but I think that argument is almost as stupid as dsaying Josh McCown progressed throughout the season.

 

[KJ7]

so you're saying that the Brad Miller's shot is basically IN FRONT of the rim - he missed the shot THAT BADLY? I mean in essence - Amare's block was superflous since if the ball wasn't really over the basket AT ALL, there's no way it would have gone - that's what you are saying?

We got a call - it happens - to try and play it off as if we didn't just makes me shake me head.

Just because the basketball wasn't over the basket when Amare blocked it doesn't mean that it wasn't going to go in. When someone shoots the ball they just don't throw it straight up, they throw it towards the hoop. I'm just saying that from the picture you showed there is NO way to tell where the ball is on that trajectory. My example may have been a bit hyperbolic, but it proves my point that there in no way to show depth and a picture from that far away proves nothing; not that is wasn't a goaltend and not that it was.