Most poorly coached and ill prepared team in football PERIOD!

[Evil Ash]

12-23 speaks for itself. That's as bad as McGinnis, Tobin, Bugel. Heck it only took Ryan two seasons to win 12 games.

I understand that and he's looking to be gone soon. However can we talk about something besides that or at least add more to the conversation?

"Its all Green's fault" without adding more to the statement gets a little annoying after a while. Hell at least name somebody you'd like to replace him with (and be somewhat realistic about it) instead of just saying the same thing over and over again game after game.

 

[Duckjake]

I understand that and he's looking to be gone soon. However can we talk about something besides that or at least add more to the conversation?

"Its all Green's fault" without adding more to the statement gets a little annoying after a while. Hell at least name somebody you'd like to replace him with (and be somewhat realistic about it) instead of just saying the same thing over and over again game after game.

Well maybe if we'd have a different result once in awhile we wouldn't be saying the same things game after game.

As for who to replace him? Who cares, no matter who they bring in the results are always the same.

 

[Evil Ash]

Well every week Green gives us legitimate reasons to bring it up! If you cant see that then you need to not come here because thats what is going to be talked about.

This game lies squarely on the coaches shoulders anyway you slice it. Yes Warner screwed the pooch. But it wasnt his fault this team wasted a timeout, didnt have urgency on the field and get the plays in and ran quicker to save the clock, the team as a whole wasnt prepared, the gameplan etc... etc... etc....

Duckjake's post speaks for itself and pretty much sums it up. Thsi team is not being coaches up the way it should be. Or do you need to wait until after week 4 to see it?

Ok fine then who do you want to replace him with

I get it Green deserves blame but even you have to admit that people repeating themselves and wasting bandwidth without really having a point gets annoying after a while

Heck even in your post you at least explain why its Green's fault. Lately red desert doesn't even do that

 

[Renz]

Well every week Green gives us legitimate reasons to bring it up! If you cant see that then you need to not come here because thats what is going to be talked about.

This game lies squarely on the coaches shoulders anyway you slice it. Yes Warner screwed the pooch. But it wasnt his fault this team wasted a timeout, didnt have urgency on the field and get the plays in and ran quicker to save the clock, the team as a whole wasnt prepared, the gameplan etc... etc... etc....

Duckjake's post speaks for itself and pretty much sums it up. Thsi team is not being coaches up the way it should be. Or do you need to wait until after week 4 to see it?

What exactly is your point, Shane? We all know you think Green is the worst coach in the league, you start a new thread on it at least once a week. The coaching got us into the Red Zone about six times, the players just didn't execute. The defense, while not suffocating, held the Rams to one TD.

Do you want Green fired now? Who would replace him? Firing Green now isn't going to solve anything this year and if we keep losing then Green will be gone anyway.

 

[conraddobler]

I understand that and he's looking to be gone soon. However can we talk about something besides that or at least add more to the conversation?

"Its all Green's fault" without adding more to the statement gets a little annoying after a while. Hell at least name somebody you'd like to replace him with (and be somewhat realistic about it) instead of just saying the same thing over and over again game after game.

I despise Green to the utmost and the one thing he could do right now to save his job he probably won't and that's take a flyer on Leinart.

He'll probably wait too long but if he sacked up and started the kid then I'd probably end up having to deal with the dufus for several more years, eh, either way I win.

Either DG gets the train going in the right direction or, I get a new coach.... it's all good to me, I'm past harping on the guy from now on.

 

[clif]

Well every week Green gives us legitimate reasons to bring it up! If you cant see that then you need to not come here because thats what is going to be talked about.

This game lies squarely on the coaches shoulders anyway you slice it. Yes Warner screwed the pooch. But it wasnt his fault this team wasted a timeout, didnt have urgency on the field and get the plays in and ran quicker to save the clock, the team as a whole wasnt prepared, the gameplan etc... etc... etc....

Duckjake's post speaks for itself and pretty much sums it up. Thsi team is not being coaches up the way it should be. Or do you need to wait until after week 4 to see it?

Are you kidding me? There is no one else to blame but Warner. Come on. You have a serious hate for DG that might require medication if you can honestly lay blame from this game on DG. This was solely a blunder of a game by a usually clutch performer.

 

[Evil Ash]

Well maybe if we'd have a different result once in awhile we wouldn't be saying the same things game after game.

When guys like you and Shane are at least expanding on why he sucks it doesn't bother me that much.

It was when red desert starting making new threads that say nothing but "Fire Green" and then adding each and every week gets annoying. At least give a reason or something

As for who to replace him? Who cares, no matter who they bring in the results are always the same.

That just goes into the "We're cursed" line of thinking and I just don't buy into that

 

[Shane]

Ok fine then who do you want to replace him with

I get it Green deserves blame but even you have to admit that people repeating themselves and wasting bandwidth without really having a point gets annoying after a while

Heck even in your post you at least explain why its Green's fault. Lately red desert doesn't even do that

Honestly?

I wouldnt replace him now. But if I was the Bidwills I would already know that he is a lameduck. This team just isnt being run efficiantly or coached up the way it should be. This team is plain and simply to talented to lose like we do especially at home. But at the end of the year there are guys I would certainly pursue!

 

[Shane]

Are you kidding me? There is no one else to blame but Warner. Come on. You have a serious hate for DG that might require medication if you can honestly lay blame from this game on DG. This was solely a blunder of a game by a usually clutch performer.

You keep believeing that garbage! Oh yea hes to blame! But if you think Green isnt as well thats funny as hell!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

How do we know if the players weren't mentally ready? That's total BS.

And to say that this loss lies squarely on the shoulders of the coaches is BS as well.

Whatever the coaches called down the stretch, the bottom line is we had the ball inside the 20 with a chance to kick a game winning field goal. Whether it was luck or not, the coaches put the players in position to win, and the players didn't get it done.

No matter how much the green haters type, the above fact is not going to change.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That just goes into the "We're cursed" line of thinking and I just don't buy into that

it's a very real one word curse - BIDWILL - period.

There's a reason this team has been inept for the better part of 50 years guys. FIFITY YEARS - ONE CONSTANT!

no self-respecting coach will come in here and coach for this organization. You think DG's grousing about lack of depth and the Seahawks doing whatever they want (basically ripping the team for 10 mill salary cap) while he's EMPLOYED by the organization - just wait until we fire his ass - remember the last time he was fired? He didn't exactly go silently into that good night.

We're going to have to just get lucky with an unknown DC or OC because no established HC in his right mind will ever come here after this fiasco.

 

[Renz]

We're going to have to just get lucky with an unknown DC or OC because no established HC in his right mind will ever come here after this fiasco.

Considering there are only 32 NFL head coaching positions in the world, I don't think there will be a shortage of qualified applicants. It isn't like we are underpaying our current HC. The team is also not devoid of talent.

An established HC would have to get a guarantee about who he could hire as assts. etc., as I'm sure he would. All is not lost once DG is gone IMO.

 

[Derm]

Cheesey, cheesy, cheesy....
take a pill brother, you're being delusional (or is that normal?)

 

[Shane]

How do we know if the players weren't mentally ready? That's total BS.

And to say that this loss lies squarely on the shoulders of the coaches is BS as well.

Whatever the coaches called down the stretch, the bottom line is we had the ball inside the 20 with a chance to kick a game winning field goal. Whether it was luck or not, the coaches put the players in position to win, and the players didn't get it done.

No matter how much the green haters type, the above fact is not going to change.

Wait a minute you guys kill me you say its the players fault and the coaches put them in a position to win right?

So who says your right and the players didnt put them in a position to win by their play and the coaches didnt screw it up?

Oh wait thats your opinion so it must be right I forgot that.

You apologists for Green and his underprepared and undercoached teams kill me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Considering there are only 32 NFL head coaching positions in the world, I don't think there will be a shortage of qualified applicants. It isn't like we are underpaying our current HC. The team is also not devoid of talent.

An established HC would have to get a guarantee about who he could hire as assts. etc., as I'm sure he would. All is not lost once DG is gone IMO.

uh - isn't it true that DG didn't orignally get to hire the assistants he wanted because the Bidwills didn't want to pay for higher priced asst. coaches? And what established HC - A GOOD ONE - is going to come in to an organization that doesn't do everything in it's power to win?

And while this team isn't devoid of talent, it ain't exactly chalk full of it either. We've got two great WRs, a great RB and a possible QB of the future (probably the single biggest draw), and well, some guys who show flashes every once in a while of something ( or used - can anyone tell me where the hell Bert Berry has gone? He's been AWOL all season - not to mention is getting up there in years).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheesey, cheesy, cheesy....
take a pill brother, you're being delusional (or is that normal?)

being delusional? You're kidding here, right?

50 years of ineptitude... 100's of players... countless coaches... ONE OWNER.

There's only one constant in that equation up there and it's here to stay.

 

[conraddobler]

it's a very real one word curse - BIDWILL - period.

There's a reason this team has been inept for the better part of 50 years guys. FIFITY YEARS - ONE CONSTANT!

no self-respecting coach will come in here and coach for this organization. You think DG's grousing about lack of depth and the Seahawks doing whatever they want (basically ripping the team for 10 mill salary cap) while he's EMPLOYED by the organization - just wait until we fire his ass - remember the last time he was fired? He didn't exactly go silently into that good night.

We're going to have to just get lucky with an unknown DC or OC because no established HC in his right mind will ever come here after this fiasco.

I don't think the Bidwill's have anything to say about taking a knee when you should.

We were on the 15 I think or the 20 at worst, you take a knee until time is down to like 15 seconds then kick on third down and if the holder or snapper botches it you down the ball call timeout and kick again on 4th down, I know all the arguements about cap room blah blah blah, I agree but none of that changes what I just wrote.

Bidwill didn't decide Kurt was the guy either, this staff did, they asked for the turnover machine and they got him.

 

[Renz]

Wait a minute you guys kill me you say its the players fault and the coaches put them in a position to win right?

So who says your right and the players didnt put them in a position to win by their play and the coaches didnt screw it up?

Oh wait thats your opinion so it must be right I forgot that.

You apologists for Green and his underprepared and undercoached teams kill me.

So everyone who doesn't blame Green for absolutely everything that goes wrong and gives him absolutely no credit for anything that goes right is a Green apologist? We don't know any more than you do, Shane. That's the point.

Don't you get bored posting the exact same thing week after week?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't think the Bidwill's have anything to say about taking a knee when you should.

We were on the 15 I think or the 20 at worst, you take a knee until time is down to like 15 seconds then kick on third down and if the holder or snapper botches it you down the ball call timeout and kick again on 4th down, I know all the arguements about cap room blah blah blah, I agree but none of that changes what I just wrote.

Bidwill didn't decide Kurt was the guy either, this staff did, they asked for the turnover machine and they got him.

the Bidwills are the ones who turned off the pocket book which meant that waiver wire pickups have been starters for us instead of getting good depth - like a Will Allen, R.W. McQuarters or Tom Ashworth or Justin Hartwig or Will Weatherspoon.

And I'm not saying the Bidwills are personally responsible for losing just this game, but they are the constant - and no one can argue that. It's their decisions which ultimately impact what is seen on the field.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Wait a minute you guys kill me you say its the players fault and the coaches put them in a position to win right?

So who says your right and the players didnt put them in a position to win by their play and the coaches didnt screw it up?

Oh wait thats your opinion so it must be right I forgot that.

You apologists for Green and his underprepared and undercoached teams kill me.

Look at the title of this thread. I don't think it leaves very much room for debate either. But that's cool.

My point is that Green didn't fumble the ball, KW did. He's more culpable than the coaching staff. IMO, that's the bottom line.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think it's funny that back in preseason when I said Warner was a washed up has-been and that I thought we had a better shot of winning with Matt - or at least should get him in there to start the future rolling because we weren't going to win with Warner anyways I was called insane (as usual)... then lo and behold, some time later, I'm proven right (as usual).

Folks, there's is no darkside - only reality.

I can't wait for the Matt era to begin - there's going to be some growing pains, but I'd much rather see our QB of the future stumbling, losing and learning than watching a washed up has-been stumbling, losing and disintegrating before our very eyes.

 

[Derm]

the Bidwills are the ones who turned off the pocket book which meant that waiver wire pickups have been starters for us instead of getting good depth - like a Will Allen, R.W. McQuarters or Tom Ashworth or Justin Hartwig or Will Weatherspoon.

And I'm not saying the Bidwills are personally responsible for losing just this game, but they are the constant - and no one can argue that. It's their decisions which ultimately impact what is seen on the field.

And you're going to do what about that?

Yell and scream at the Bidwills and then go watch the game next week. You'll feel better.

 

[Shane]

So everyone who doesn't blame Green for absolutely everything that goes wrong and gives him absolutely no credit for anything that goes right is a Green apologist? We don't know any more than you do, Shane. That's the point.

Don't you get bored posting the exact same thing week after week?

Ok so you guys blame the players every week. I blame the coaching. Whats really the difference? You harp on one think I harp on another. Dissenting opinion is what this is all about.

I dont mind if you guys want to blame the players. I squarely and firmly blamed Warner earlier in this thread and believe he is VERY VERY much to blame.

The bottom line is ultimate responsibility lies with Green and his staff. Too many blunders from week to week that just dont get corrected. At least Warner goes out and puts up a PB caliber performance on occasion as do other players. The only constant is the poor prep and coaching decisions that occur week to week IMO.

I dont post the exact same thing becuase what happens doesnt always happen in a similar situation. But I'll tell you what if you hate the anti coaching posts that much Renz for you I will stop.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And you're going to do what about that?

Yell and scream at the Bidwills and then go watch the game next week. You'll feel better.

you really think I'm gonna feel better after Atlanta pastes our asses and rings up 400 yards on the ground? I may be a glutton for punishment, but... well, I'm a glutton for punishment.

Regardless, what's your point? Do you want to shut down the board so no one can say negative things?

 

[WildBB]

I think it's funny that back in preseason when I said Warner was a washed up has-been and that I thought we had a better shot of winning with Matt - or at least should get him in there to start the future rolling because we weren't going to win with Warner anyways I was called insane (as usual)... then lo and behold, some time later, I'm proven right (as usual).

Folks, there's is no darkside - only reality.

I can't wait for the Matt era to begin - there's going to be some growing pains, but I'd much rather see our QB of the future stumbling, losing and learning than watching a washed up has-been stumbling, losing and disintegrating before our very eyes.

You're not proven anything yet. It'll be awhile.