Most poorly coached and ill prepared team in football PERIOD!

[Shane]

You're not proven anything yet. It'll be awhile.

Hes pretty close to proving it. Hes rarely wrong on top of it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You're not proven anything yet. It'll be awhile.

then we will continue to keep losing.

This team's been missing a leader since 1998.

He's standing on the sidelines.

START THE FUTURE.

 

[Derm]

you really think I'm gonna feel better after Atlanta pastes our asses and rings up 400 yards on the ground? I may be a glutton for punishment, but... well, I'm a glutton for punishment.

Regardless, what's your point? Do you want to shut down the board so no one can say negative things?

Now that is funny. The point is that yelling at ownership on a message board isn't going to do a lot of good except that it may be a little theraputic to the yeller. Negate away!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Now that is funny. The point is that yelling at ownership on a message board isn't going to do a lot of good except that it may be a little theraputic to the yeller. Negate away!

uh, thanks for telling me that I'm not going to get through to ownership... and where am I yelling? I didn't realize that stating a factually based opinion (not even directed at management - did you see me address them?) is yelling at ownership. I'm talking ABOUT ownership, not TO ownership... is that a shocker on a sports message board?

 

[conraddobler]

then we will continue to keep losing.

This team's been missing a leader since 1998.

He's standing on the sidelines.

START THE FUTURE.

I told you Warner should start until he lost a couple of games, or that he was the reason we lost a couple of games.

I now am officially on the start Matt bandwagon.

It's a growing bandwagon, the rest will hop in just a few short weeks and off we go.

You might even stop hating on Bidwill by then...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

uh, thanks for telling me that I'm not going to get through to ownership... and where am I yelling? I didn't realize that stating a factually based opinion (not even directed at management - did you see me address them?) is yelling at ownership. I'm talking ABOUT ownership, not TO ownership... is that a shocker on a sports message board?

The all caps portion of post #52?

At least taking shots at the ownership is an original viewpoint. Good work cheesey!

 

[Cheesebeef]

You might even stop hating on Bidwill by then...

only by the grace of God (otherwise known as Matt Leinart).

 

[Cheesebeef]

The all caps portion of post #52?

At least taking shots at the ownership is an original viewpoint. Good work cheesey!

huh?

And you don't need to be original when tried and true is unfortunatley... tried and true.

 

[conraddobler]

only by the grace of God (otherwise known as Matt Leinart).

Honestly, Kurt is a funny QB, I hate him, I don't like Rams he's still a Ram, I hated Emmitt, he was still a Cowboy, I hate cowboys.

Leinart has no choice, he's a Cardinal and he's a winner, in a grand immovable object meets irresistable force struggle, he'll have to either tame our losing ways or become a loser.

Leinart aint no loser, so let's get started here already.

Oh and BTW, Edge is ok, he's all about Edge, he'll personally skewer us for making him a loser but he's just about him, he's not going to get all misty eyed about being a Colt.

 

[Derm]

The all caps portion of post #52?

At least taking shots at the ownership is an original viewpoint. Good work cheesey!

I don't really disagree but original it's not...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't really disagree but original it's not...

why should anything have to be original? The truth isn't good enough? A new argument about why we suck has to be original as well? Sorry folks, I save making up fantasies for my screenwriting... not the message board.

 

[Derm]

okie dokey

 

[Shane]

The all caps portion of post #52?

At least taking shots at the ownership is an original viewpoint. Good work cheesey!

Whats true is true. No need to be original.

 

[AZCB34]

Are you kidding me? There is no one else to blame but Warner. Come on. You have a serious hate for DG that might require medication if you can honestly lay blame from this game on DG. This was solely a blunder of a game by a usually clutch performer.

I have been back to this thread and your post a couple of times and I gotta ask...do you even understand the game of football and the role coaches play in the outcome of games? I am asking this seriously because your post CLEARLY shows you have no clue about it.

Listen, I am not saying Warner doesn't deserve alot of blame but if you think "there is no one else to blame but Warner", you are a mental midget. Fitz dropped passes that he usually catches. Ware can't cover anything...Philly knew that, we didn't I guess and I guess Ware stood up last week and declared himself the starter, not the coaches.

All of the play calls made for both O and D are done strictly by the players right?

WTF were the players thinking throwing the challenge flag in a questionable circumstance risking a potentially important time out?

Listen, I think Shane is overreacting a little on the original post and said as much. I didn't have nearly the issue with the slower pace late in the game as I did against SEA but to suggest there is no blame on the coaches at all for yesterday, well you are showing serious football ignorance.

 

[Lloydian]

Boy, a lot of half empty cups here!

Warner has had a bad couple of games. Players occasionally have bad runs.

The big two dropped three passes that should have been caught. They will settle down.

A team which should have brought a 2-0 record into the game got lucky and won the game.

We're now three games into the season, and it was a frustrating game, but the sky is not falling yet. The season is not over. Warner still gives us the best chance to win. The line still needs to improve, but James gained 94 yards and allowed only one sack. The secondary needs to improve but despite four turnovers, allowed only 16 points.

Good thing they don't have to play at home next week.

 

[clif]

I have been back to this thread and your post a couple of times and I gotta ask...do you even understand the game of football and the role coaches play in the outcome of games? I am asking this seriously because your post CLEARLY shows you have no clue about it.

Listen, I am not saying Warner doesn't deserve alot of blame but if you think "there is no one else to blame but Warner", you are a mental midget. Fitz dropped passes that he usually catches. Ware can't cover anything...Philly knew that, we didn't I guess and I guess Ware stood up last week and declared himself the starter, not the coaches.

All of the play calls made for both O and D are done strictly by the players right?

WTF were the players thinking throwing the challenge flag in a questionable circumstance risking a potentially important time out?

Listen, I think Shane is overreacting a little on the original post and said as much. I didn't have nearly the issue with the slower pace late in the game as I did against SEA but to suggest there is no blame on the coaches at all for yesterday, well you are showing serious football ignorance.

Listen there is more than enough blame to go around, but it's up to players to execute. If warner had not completely made a mess out of yesterday's game we could have easily won this game even with all the so called coaching errors.

Sure everything is ultimately the fault of coaching and therefore the fault of management for hiring him, but that is just such a cop out. These guys are paid millions to make plays and not enough of them are doing so.

I could easily point to Griffith being a step slow and consistently taking bad angles to the ball. I could point to Ware being overmatched against an all pro in Holt. I could point to very timely misdirection calls by STL to gash us for big yards. I could point to our "shut down" corner lacking elite speed. Even with all that the defense played well enough to win

Of course you can call out Fitz and Q for drops, but it is pretty evident that they have been more than clutch so they are afforded a few drops.
We can notice the lack of a fullback as evident by the fact that we had a first and goal on the 5 and could't punch it in. (which is why Kurt ended up throwing on third down and making a horrible pass for an INT)

Maybe we can look to the fact that our TE is non existent. (Even though the much maligned blocking skills of Pope were evident on a few of edge's nice runs)

I could even go so far as to say that JJ lacks vision even on KO's. While he has clearly been a better performer there than we have had in years. He does not see holes nor does he have the ability to create seperation. I noticed a couple of times had he just cut to the outside he could have broken a few for long runs.

You can even argue that the team took an exorbitant amount of time on their final TD drive, but I would argue that it was played perfectly. Even without the Bulger fumble there was plenty of time and the situation was setup beautifully for the D to make a stop to get the ball back. It was just accelerated by Bulger fumbling.

Even through all that... all we had to do was hold on too the damn ball and the game was over.

BTW that was a good challenge on the key third down pass play. Holt did not have control of the ball with 2 feet in bounds. It was a blown call by the refs but IMO.. blaming coaching is like blaming refs... it's only for losers.

I obviously don't know football. please.. save that crap for someone else.

 

[conraddobler]

This group of coaches is in their 3rd year, the thing about that is that most if not every one of the players causing the mistakes was either brought here or retained by this staff.

They have been coached and prepared by this staff.

While I agree that any one game can be almost totally the fault of the players, who plays in that game and their faults and weaknesses are the sole responsibility of the coaching staff.

This staff settled on this Oline and this QB behind it, Warner so far has been turning it over way too fast for us to win, they can't allow that to continue much longer.

 

[Matt L]

It's obvious that this game should have been a win. We were shooting ourselves in the foot on almost all of our drives. Does anyone know how many times we punted the ball in the first half? What about in the second half? I don't know the exact amounts but it couldn't have been more than five.

Those of you who say that the team came out unprepared, Our offense got the ball and took it into St. Louis territory, our second possession we scored. Their first possession we created a three and out. This team was prepared at the start of the game, the offense was rolling. That inteception at the 6 yard line caused a major momentum swing. The second interception was an awful pass as well that resulted in three points for the Rams. I gotta say that they came out in the second half and looked really flat. They got marched on by the rams but only gave up a field goal. We get the ball back and manage to get to the 2 yard line and we throw an interception in the endzone. I have heard and read alot of criticism of the play calling on that one; We had just ran 2 plays at the 2 yard line that netted about .5 yards, both runs that did not go anywhere. Warner dropped back on third down and somehow managed to throw the ball right at a Ram defender, unless the OC or Dennis green got into his earpiece and told him that this was the play, this is not their fault.

Both interceptions that happened in the redzone show what I do not like about Warner. He continually holds on the ball for way to long. I know that he wants to make a play and that he is just trying to make something happen but that is twice that it has caused interceptions. All three of his interceptions were not great defensive plays, they were huge mistakes by him. During the Seattle game I counted at least three passes by him that could have been interceptions but were dropped by Seattle defenders. The only difference between this weeks and the last week was that the Rams managed to hold on to the mistakes.

Do I think that Green should be fired tomorrow? No. Do I think that he should be released at the end of the season? probably not. Should Warner be starting next week? Yes, but I would think that the coaches need to evaluate where they are come week 6. Unless by some miracle we come out of the next three games as 3-3 we may need to make a change. I would even be slightly hopeful at 2-4, but in all reality, the Falcons have a good defense, the Chiefs haven't played great, but neither have we, and the Bears are obviously one of the top teams in the NFC. I think that this team is facing a very realistic chance of being 1-5 after the monday night football game. If that is the case, Warner needs to be benched and you have to play Leinart, for nothing more than to get him reps. Depending on how the team responds from there should determine if Green should be released or not at the end of the season.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

It never stops. Thats the fricken problem. green and his staff suck!

Exactly. Glad more people are starting to join me. We are horribly prepared from week to week...and our in game management is just bizarre. I guess it never occured to Green that maybe Ware can't guard Holt.

 

[Shane]

I have been back to this thread and your post a couple of times and I gotta ask...do you even understand the game of football and the role coaches play in the outcome of games? I am asking this seriously because your post CLEARLY shows you have no clue about it.

Listen, I am not saying Warner doesn't deserve alot of blame but if you think "there is no one else to blame but Warner", you are a mental midget. Fitz dropped passes that he usually catches. Ware can't cover anything...Philly knew that, we didn't I guess and I guess Ware stood up last week and declared himself the starter, not the coaches.

All of the play calls made for both O and D are done strictly by the players right?

WTF were the players thinking throwing the challenge flag in a questionable circumstance risking a potentially important time out?

Listen, I think Shane is overreacting a little on the original post and said as much. I didn't have nearly the issue with the slower pace late in the game as I did against SEA but to suggest there is no blame on the coaches at all for yesterday, well you are showing serious football ignorance.

Cubbie do you seriously believe that there isnt a problem with being down by two scores with about 4 and a 1/2 minutes remaining and this team letting 30 or more seconds run off the clock before getting a play off? I have a major problem with that pace. Im shocked that you dont.

 

[AZCB34]

Cubbie do you seriously believe that there isnt a problem with being down by two scores with about 4 and a 1/2 minutes remaining and this team letting 30 or more seconds run off the clock before getting a play off? I have a major problem with that pace. Im shocked that you dont.

Against SEA, I felt like the Cards simply gave up...they quit and as a result, they made no effort.

Yesterday, the Cards were able to move the ball pretty well so I felt like moving down the field wouldn't be a huge issue and I, mistakenly, figured all the bad crap had already happened. Maybe I am not understanding about when you are talking about because the Cards had scored to make it 16-14 with about 4:30 minutes left then got the ball back. Then they get the fumble and quite frankly took their time before Warner fumbled. Maybe we are discussing different things?

 

[Shane]

Against SEA, I felt like the Cards simply gave up...they quit and as a result, they made no effort.

Yesterday, the Cards were able to move the ball pretty well so I felt like moving down the field wouldn't be a huge issue and I, mistakenly, figured all the bad crap had already happened. Maybe I am not understanding about when you are talking about because the Cards had scored to make it 16-14 with about 4:30 minutes left then got the ball back. Then they get the fumble and quite frankly took their time before Warner fumbled. Maybe we are discussing different things?

It was right before the score. Know way to know we are going to get the TD needed yet and the clock was under 5 minutes. Yet the team sat there waiting for the play to come in letting the clock run 30 or so seconds off. To me that is inexcusable and shows no sense of urgency, They didnt need a two minute drill but a hurry up offense would have sufficed. They showed no sense of what situation they were in being down two scores.

 

[AZCB34]

It was right before the score. Know way to know we are going to get the TD needed yet and the clock was under 5 minutes. Yet the team sat there waiting for the play to come in letting the clock run 30 or so seconds off. To me that is inexcusable and shows no sense of urgency, They didnt need a two minute drill but a hurry up offense would have sufficed. They showed no sense of what situation they were in being down two scores.

Yeah, ok. I thought you were demanding a two minute deal and I thought that was a bit extreme. Maybe hurrying a tad more would have been more ideal...and it certainly would have meant alot at games end only down by 2 points...of course some decisions during the game earlier could have helped there too.

 

[Sandan]

uh - isn't it true that DG didn't orignally get to hire the assistants he wanted because the Bidwills didn't want to pay for higher priced asst. coaches

No it isn't true.

Could it be true sure, but then almost anything 'could' be true. Like Bickley will write a good article tomorrow, 'could' it be true sure it could.

And what established HC - A GOOD ONE - is going to come in to an organization that doesn't do everything in it's power to win?

Really, so DG wasn't an established good HC ? What defines one then ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

No it isn't true.

Could it be true sure, but then almost anything 'could' be true. Like Bickley will write a good article tomorrow, 'could' it be true sure it could.

actually Nidan, I'm pretty sure it is true and was talked about three years ago when Green was hired.

Really, so DG wasn't an established good HC ? What defines one then ?

and Nidan, if you can follow this closely - I made the comment that AFTER THIS DEBACLE WITH A PROVEN WINNER (i.e. DG) - HOW IS ANY HEAD COACH WITH GOOD CREDENTIALS EVER GOING TO COME HERE? SEE - THE POINT BEING THAT YES - DG FAILING MISERABLY HERE WILL EFFECT OUR ABILITY TO GET A PROVEN HC IN THE FUTURE, THUS HIM BEING A GOOD HEAD COACH BEFORE WE HIRED IS IRRELEVENT (besides the fact that DG had been out of football for three years - there was a reason for that folks and now we're starting to see why) - sorry for the all caps but sometimes it just seems like either you don't know how to read or just compleley miss the point.