Moving up scenarios

[JCSunsfan]

Post yours here.

Here is mine. Word about LeBron to Philly is building. Grif just said that Philly has the leg up due to Simmons being a Klutch client. If that is the case, Philly has to dump some salary.

Bayless and #10 for Sauce and #31.

Philly gets to add an older role player in the draft and can clear nearly $10 million in cap space in order to sign LeBron.

Suns now have #10 and #16 to move up.

I think the chances of Sauce being traded at the draft are high if we are looking at a team wanting to cut salary. He is $6,000,000 of tradeable salary that can be cuts almost immediately post trade.

 

[Finito]

Bayless/ 10 for Williams/31

Pretty much Alan Williams who didn't play at all last year for the 10th pick in the draft, yeah sounds about right

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bayless/ 10 for Williams/31

Pretty much Alan Williams who didn't play at all last year for the 10th pick in the draft, yeah sounds about right

Its a salary dump. Alan Williams is nothing but a means to dump salary immediately. For Philly it would be #10 for money to sign LeBron. In this deal, Philly sheds $10 million.

Philly might get a better salary dump offer, but this is not about the player they get back. Its really hard for Philly though, they do not have much salary they can trade away.

So, the real question is whether Philly would give up the #10 to move Bayless' salary. If they want to sign LeBron, they have to move salary. They could wait until after the draft and trade the rights to whoever they pick at that spot.

Oh and the #31 pick has value. It is more valuable than a late first rounder because of salary rules.

 

[Mainstreet]

Its a salary dump. Alan Williams is nothing but a means to dump salary immediately. For Philly it would be #10 for money to sign LeBron. Philly might get a better salary dump offer, but this is not about the player they get back.

I think the problem is #10 has more value. IMO, some other team would make a better offer for the pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its a salary dump. Alan Williams is nothing but a means to dump salary immediately. For Philly it would be #10 for money to sign LeBron. In this deal, Philly sheds $10 million.

Philly might get a better salary dump offer, but this is not about the player they get back. Its really hard for Philly though, they do not have much salary they can trade away.

So, the real question is whether Philly would give up the #10 to move Bayless' salary. If they want to sign LeBron, they have to move salary. They could wait until after the draft and trade the rights to whoever they pick at that spot.

Oh and the #31 pick has value. It is more valuable than a late first rounder because of salary rules.

that's not a good enough offer for a top 10 pick in a loaded draft, IMO, whether they want to shed salary or not.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd imagine it would take #16, #31, and the Bucks pick to move into top 10. Add Jackson to move into top five.

 

[Carolinacacti]

You have to wait and see who falls in the draft. Just like the Cardinals did. Suns have the money, assets and maybe the desire to move up and draft a PG. We have to wait and see.

 

[Mainstreet]

You have to wait and see who falls in the draft. Just like the Cardinals did. Suns have the money, assets and maybe the desire to move up and draft a PG. We have to wait and see.

I think this is exactly what happens.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

that's not a good enough offer for a top 10 pick in a loaded draft, IMO, whether they want to shed salary or not.

I would agree but 10 is right outside the loaded area.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd imagine it would take #16, #31, and the Bucks pick to move into top 10. Add Jackson to move into top five.

That’s too much for just 10.

 

[GatorAZ]

I expect the first 7 picks to be (in no order): Ayton, Doncic, Porter, JJJ, Bamba, Trae and Bagley... The only guy I’m trading up for after that is Mikal Bridges.

Looking at the .net mock they have guys like Knox, Williams, Miles Bridges and Zhaire Smith going before 16. Not sure i’d take them at 16 anyway.

If Lebron goes to Philly then Mikal would be a great fit on that team. If he’s gone by #10 I would think they explore trading down. I think a team would take Bayless’ expiring for #38 and #39.

 

[JCSunsfan]

that's not a good enough offer for a top 10 pick in a loaded draft, IMO, whether they want to shed salary or not.

They would want to shed salary, the only thing they could take back would be other picks. Maybe Boston would be willing to give more picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That’s too much for just 10.

I would agree if its 16, 31, and taking on Bayless' salary.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Anyone else have a move up scenario? What pick would you target?

 

[Mainstreet]

Anyone else have a move up scenario? What pick would you target?

I think a move up scenario would likely involve Chriss or Bender and #16 as starting points. The Suns can sweeten the deal if the right player falls.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think a move up scenario would likely involve Chriss or Bender and #16 as starting points. The Suns can sweeten the deal if the right player falls.

Ok. What would Chriss or Bender plus #16 get you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ok. What would Chriss or Bender plus #16 get you?

15?

Seriously... I don't think those guys move the needle at all for anyone.

 

[JCSunsfan]

To me, we have TJ, 16, 31, 59. We can even throw in the Milwaukee pick if it can get us up high enough to get someone we really covet.

I am not so interested in giving up Chriss or Bender. We only need one of them to turn out, but I would want to make sure I know which one before I trade one of them.

 

[Errntknght]

Ok. What would Chriss or Bender plus #16 get you?

Hmmm... lucky to get #17. Throwing in both would net #18.

 

[JCSunsfan]

15?

Seriously... I don't think those guys move the needle at all for anyone.

Ha. Yup. Maybe 14.

 

[Raze]

I would only trade up for a few prospects. Realistically we'd only move up to #8ish. So guys like Bamba and Carter are out of the picture. I might trade for Mikal Bridges. He has star potential, which is all I'd be looking for. I wouldn't trade up for Young or Sexton. (Although they also have star potential, I'm actually hoping we don't have a shot at them because they'd be a BAD fit here). I won't trade much to move up. Future picks is all. I see no reason to trade guys like Bender or Warren if we aren't going to get good value in return.

Our goals should just be to:

1. Hit BPA at #16, 31, and 59 (while still landing a viable PG)
2. Win the summer league
3. Load up our Prescott team
4. Finally win the G-League championship
5. Seriously hope that the G-League does exactly what it was designed to do and develop all the young talent we'll accumulate.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ok. What would Chriss or Bender plus #16 get you?

This is what I actually said:

I think a move up scenario would likely involve Chriss or Bender and #16 as starting points. The Suns can sweeten the deal if the right player falls.

I think Chriss or Bender plus #16 opens negotiations for a move-up in the draft from #16. It depends on how far the Suns are moving up to know what else is necessary. The above might get the Suns to #13. Adding #31 might move the Suns a couple of more notches. If the Suns really want to move up to say #8, it would require a couple of first round picks plus a player like Chriss or Bender.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is what I actually said:



I think Chriss or Bender plus #16 opens negotiations for a move-up in the draft from #16. It depends on how far the Suns are moving up to know what else is necessary. The above might get the Suns to #13. Adding #31 might move the Suns a couple of more notches. If the Suns really want to move up to say #8, it would require a couple of first round picks plus a player like Chriss or Bender.

Yeah. We're just talking right now. I just don't think Chriss or Bender moves the needle enough to matter right now. Maybe Bender does a little more than Chriss. If we are serious about moving up, TJ has to be in the discussion.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah. We're just talking right now. I just don't think Chriss or Bender moves the needle enough to matter right now. Maybe Bender does a little more than Chriss. If we are serious about moving up, TJ has to be in the discussion.

Whatever the scenario I think the Suns REALLY REALLY REALLY have to want someone they want really bad to move up. I mean why start throwing guys out there or trading TJ if you just think there is another "potential guy" out there?

You could end up trading away all these things for you just to be in the same situations but now with less assets.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah. We're just talking right now. I just don't think Chriss or Bender moves the needle enough to matter right now. Maybe Bender does a little more than Chriss. If we are serious about moving up, TJ has to be in the discussion.

Any Suns player not named Booker, Jackson and #1 needs to be involved in trade discussions. I think Bender and Chriss carry mid-first round value as does Warren. It probably depends upon the trade partner.