Murray discussion removed from the Nick Bosa injury thread

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Bottom line, Keim is chasing unicorns. Teams simply have almost never spent first round capital on <6 FT QB’s and especially a top ten pick.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Bottom line, Keim is chasing unicorns. Teams simply have almost never spent first round capital on <6 FT QB’s and especially a top ten pick.

Bottom line, who was the last sub-6’ QB that you saw as comparable to Murray?

 

[Chopper0080]

I asked how many were busts. Simply name some or say “none”. It’s ok. We can still be friends.

Johnny Manziel measured 5'11 at the combine. Bust.

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[cardsfanmd]

Johnny Manziel measured 5'11 at the combine. Bust.

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Hehehehehehehe. So you’re saying his height caused him to be a drug addict degenerate piece of human excrement? Good call. That’s about as good of an argument as saying Rae Carruth was a bust because of his build.

 

[Chopper0080]

Hehehehehehehe. So you’re saying his height caused him to be a drug addict degenerate piece of human excrement? Good call. That’s about as good of an argument as saying Rae Carruth was a bust.

He was a bust. Quit changing the argument. BJ Daniels was sub 6'0. Bust.

Historically speaking, sub 6'0 don't work in the NFL. Wilson worked because his skill set overcame his lack of height. Cardinals are betting Murray being similar to that.

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[cardsfanmd]

He was a bust. Quit changing the argument. BJ Daniels was sub 6'0. Bust.

Historically speaking, sub 6'0 don't work in the NFL. Wilson worked because his skill set overcame his lack of height. Cardinals are betting Murray being similar to that.

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Lolol. BJ Daniels?!?! Bahahahahahah. He was a 7th round pick. How is it even possible to be a 7th round bust. You’re not doing a very good job here at all.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I asked how many were busts. Simply name some or say “none”. It’s ok. We can still be friends.

You keep pressing this for some reason, you can go back almost 40 years and there have been ZERO sub 6ft 1st rounders drafted other than Murray.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Manzeil was 6 ft.

 

[Chopper0080]

Manzeil was 6 ft.

His combine measurement was 5'11 and 3/4.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.../02/21/johnny-manziel-height-2014-nfl-combine

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

His combine measurement was 5'11 and 3/4.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.../02/21/johnny-manziel-height-2014-nfl-combine

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Okay...bust. He could’ve been clean and sober and he still would blown chunks on the forks.

 

[Chopper0080]

Lolol. BJ Daniels?!?! Bahahahahahah. He was a 7th round pick. How is it even possible to be a 7th round bust. You’re not doing a very good job here at all.

It really doesn't matter. No sub 6'0 QB with under 30 games as a starter has ever won a superbowl or made the pro bowl. Murray has to be a bust because of that by your logic.

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[Dback Jon]

Can we keep the Murray pissing off every thread?

This thread has zero to do with Murray

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Well I was about to jump into the Murray debate in a Nick Bosa thread of all places because that’s what this message board has devolved into since Murray declared for the draft.

I am/was in the Rosen/Q Williams camp but being a Cardinal fan I will be hoping Murray crushes it (in a good way) in the NFL.

I don’t doubt his talent. My concern is that he is going from playing behind one of the best college offensive lines to one of the worst in the NFL. How will he handle the colossal change in talent? Will he get hurt? Will he run back to the MLB when things get rough?

Frankly we’ve only had a few good seasons since the Air Coryell days with Warner and Palmer.

Expecting the worst is natural being a Cardinals fan. It doesn’t mean that I don’t want Murray to succeed. I think he’s very talented. I am just a realist when it comes to the talent surrounding him.

This O Line scares me. I predicted in another thread that we will have at least 3 starting O Linemen go on IR this year cuz that’s just the way we roll here in AZ. If/when that happens I fear for Murray’s health and the success of this team. History shows that the few fleeting seasons we were actually good since the Coryell days is when we had good offensive lines.

Ok now back to Bosa and his hammy.



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[slanidrac16]

Did Murray make the players around him better? I think so. His mobility helped the o- line and it certainly cause busted plays in the secondary to allow those wide receivers to get wide open.

Sorry, back to Bosa. Glad he’s not area. Would have taken Williams before him.

 

[Frank The Fixer]

There is. BW turned it into another Murray is short thread.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You keep pressing this for some reason, you can go back almost 40 years and there have been ZERO sub 6ft 1st rounders drafted other than Murray.

So?

How many QBs with 4.3 speed and elite arm?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well I was about to jump into the Murray debate in a Nick Bosa thread of all places because that’s what this message board has devolved into since Murray declared for the draft.

I am/was in the Rosen/Q Williams camp but being a Cardinal fan I will be hoping Murray crushes it (in a good way) in the NFL.

I don’t doubt his talent. My concern is that he is going from playing behind one of the best college offensive lines to one of the worst in the NFL. How will he handle the colossal change in talent? Will he get hurt? Will he run back to the MLB when things get rough?

Frankly we’ve only had a few good seasons since the Air Coryell days with Warner and Palmer.

Expecting the worst is natural being a Cardinals fan. It doesn’t mean that I don’t want Murray to succeed. I think he’s very talented. I am just a realist when it comes to the talent surrounding him.

This O Line scares me. I predicted in another thread that we will have at least 3 starting O Linemen go on IR this year cuz that’s just the way we roll here in AZ. If/when that happens I fear for Murray’s health and the success of this team. History shows that the few fleeting seasons we were actually good since the Coryell days is when we had good offensive lines.

Ok now back to Bosa and his hammy.



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Why do you fear for Murray's health? Rosen had an extensive injury history and he took a lot of shots last year. I would be much more worried having Rosen back there.

 

[Krangodnzr]

His combine measurement was 5'11 and 3/4.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.../02/21/johnny-manziel-height-2014-nfl-combine

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Warner said on 98.7 that he is 6'1.5.

And, like I've said before, he said QBs mainly dont see over the line, they through windows between linemen.

 

[imaCafan]

First page? I guess I missed something.

 

[jf-08]

First page? I guess I missed something.

I combined your thread with the existing thread. What he meant by first page is the thread was on the first page of this forum among other threads, already being discussed.

 

[imaCafan]

Thanks. If you miss a day on this board you can miss a LOT of good threads....that aren't about Murray....

 

[Solar7]

So?

How many QBs with 4.3 speed and elite arm?

Kyler never ran a 40, so we don’t know how fast he is.

 

[Solar7]

Warner said on 98.7 that he is 6'1.5.

And, like I've said before, he said QBs mainly dont see over the line, they through windows between linemen.

You trust Kurt Warner more than his official Combine measurement? Then I can say that I trust Kyler is shorter than 5’10 because I heard it on the Orange Bowl broadcast?

I thought you believed in things that are “True,” and not those dastardly rumors from reporters.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kyler never ran a 40, so we don’t know how fast he is.

I would not push the envelope on saying 4.2 but there was some sites out of curiosity which took some of his runs from college and attempted to clock them in real time and they more than suggested the can run at least a 4.3. I watched his games against UT being a UT ex and though there might not be great defenses in the Big 12, you would be completely off base to think UT's recruiting classes still do not have great athletes and those guys could not even get him with an angle on him

 

[Solar7]

I would not push the envelope on saying 4.2 but there was some sites out of curiosity which took some of his runs from college and attempted to clock them in real time and they more than suggested the can run at least a 4.3. I watched his games against UT being a UT ex and though there might not be great defenses in the Big 12, you would be completely off base to think UT's recruiting classes still do not have great athletes and those guys could not even get him with an angle on him

Listen, I know Kyler is fast, but Krang and I are having multiple arguments across threads, haha. If he’s going to argue that Kurt Warner’s height estimation is more important than the combine measurement, or that we can trust Kyler runs a 4.3 even though it hasn’t been measured, I’m gonna give him a hard time for saying we can’t trust reporters or the official website for saying we tried to get Kirk Cousins.

I know you’re not following my every post, so just explaining.