Many have said that Tsakalidis and Amare wouldn't have been able to play well together on the court anyway since Jake eats up space down low. Wouldn't the same apply to Mutombo? Since Mutombo is only decent at best with his perimeter game, I would imagine he will be hanging out in the paint on offense as well.
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That is true. However, on the other end of the court it would be very difficult for the Phoenix Suns opponents to score in the paint with Mutombo and Amare Stoudemire blocking shots.
IMO the Phoenix Suns are not going to sign Mutombo. They are doing everything possible to dump salary, and I don't think he would sign for the minimum.
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I think that Mutombo is much smarter at least due to experience on offense to not clog the paint.
He played pretty well with Iverson.
I also always thought that Mutombo was definately quicker than Big Jake and of course has better footwork.
He played pretty well with Iverson.
I also always thought that Mutombo was definately quicker than Big Jake and of course has better footwork.
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I see Mutombo, in some ways, as a much much better version of Tsakalidis -- someone who can clog the lane on defense, alter shots, and hold his own against big centers, but who doesn't contribute a lot on offense. I think the Suns dumped Tsakalidis because they want a "center" who can run and make 17-footers, and they don't really care that much if their center can defend, because they're just planning to zone/trap/switch everything anyway.
So, even though Mutombo is better than Tsakalidis, I think the Suns will not be interested in him for the same reasons.
So, even though Mutombo is better than Tsakalidis, I think the Suns will not be interested in him for the same reasons.
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And finally:
Reports are now that Mutombo's buyout is for $27.5 million, meaning that he's giving up $10 million in salary for the opportunity to play somewhere else.
So now ... remember the endless discussion of Gugliotta, and whether the Suns might be able to negotiate a deal with him to save some money? And a whole bunch of you said that no athlete would ever give up salary, it would be impossible, and anyone who suggested it was a moron?
Remember that?
Reports are now that Mutombo's buyout is for $27.5 million, meaning that he's giving up $10 million in salary for the opportunity to play somewhere else.
So now ... remember the endless discussion of Gugliotta, and whether the Suns might be able to negotiate a deal with him to save some money? And a whole bunch of you said that no athlete would ever give up salary, it would be impossible, and anyone who suggested it was a moron?
Remember that?
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WTH not? Hes getting a $27.5M buyout from New Jersey. With a guaranteed minimum-salary contract, hed be getting close to $29M. What difference is another $1M or so going to make? Its probably more important for him to choose the best situation for him.
hcsilla
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Me too.That's why I wrote "maybe" although I'm not sure that Mutombo can play effectively +20 min./games.
hcsilla
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lol
hcsilla
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I do.
Gugliotta and Mutombo are two different stories.
Mutombo is still a player, Gugliotta isn't anymore.
Your assumption was that Gugliotta will take a pay-cut because he wants to help the Suns.
Mutombo didn't want to help the Nets, IMO. He realized that he wouldn't have gotten significant minutes from Scott and he knows that several teams would be interested in signing of him moreover they will pay few millions for him and give decent amount of PT for him.
So he will move to another team where he will get more PT, will be a more important contibutor and will lose only a few (if at all) millions.
Since Gugliotta probably wouldn't get a vet min. contract why would he give up 1-2 mil.?
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Your assumption was that Gugliotta will take a pay-cut because he wants to help the Suns.
No, my assumption was that the Suns and Gugliotta, if motivated, would be able to work out a deal that was beneficial to both sides. I did, however, acknowledge the possibility that Gugliotta might give up some salary out of "honesty." I think it is fair to say that Mutombo is doing the same. He clearly is not worth $19 million per season anymore and he knows that; if he thought he was, he would sit on his contract and force the Nets to trade him.
No, my assumption was that the Suns and Gugliotta, if motivated, would be able to work out a deal that was beneficial to both sides. I did, however, acknowledge the possibility that Gugliotta might give up some salary out of "honesty." I think it is fair to say that Mutombo is doing the same. He clearly is not worth $19 million per season anymore and he knows that; if he thought he was, he would sit on his contract and force the Nets to trade him.
hcsilla
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And he is clearly worth 15 mil. and he knows that, right?
How can he force the Nets to trade him?
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The difference between Mutombo and Googs is that other teams still desire the services of Mutombo. For Googs, the only way he was able to stay in the NBA was to hold onto this contract. If he accepted a buyout last year or whenever no one would have even invited him to camp. His career would have been done. Based on his play the last couple of years. Unfortunately Googs wanted to hang on and try to prove that he can still play. And the only way he can get that chance to play and prove himself is by hanging on to the last day of his huge contract knowing that the Suns can't let 12 million sit on the bench.
However even old washed up former super star centers are still desired in the NBA because there aren't that many skilled players at that position.
Basically they're two different situations in my mind. With Googs, a buyout essentially means retiring. Right or wrong he's just not ready to call it a career.
However even old washed up former super star centers are still desired in the NBA because there aren't that many skilled players at that position.
Basically they're two different situations in my mind. With Googs, a buyout essentially means retiring. Right or wrong he's just not ready to call it a career.
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Well don't forget that the Suns wanted Mutombo for years when they were much much more of a fastbreak and less of halfcourt offensive team.
He wasn't fast back then either.
He wasn't fast back then either.
Phill11
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imagine this lineup
PG-Marburry
SG-Knight
SF-Marion
PF-Amare
C-Mutumbo
If we got him we would be the best team in the league!
PG-Marburry
SG-Knight
SF-Marion
PF-Amare
C-Mutumbo
If we got him we would be the best team in the league!
Surely you meant to put Penny Hardaway or Joe Johnson at shooting guard.
Joe Mama
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Hardaway? LMAO!!!
Hes used goods
Maybe JJ
Hes used goods
Maybe JJ
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I thought he meant Bobby.
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****. Seriously.
Again, more assumption. Am i the only one who thinks Gugliotta isn't done?
hcsilla
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Yes,you are.
Phill11
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What your saying Penny is worth every Penny were giving him?
PhiLLmattiC
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Hey did u guys see the picture of penny dunking? He didn't get up so high but it was nice to see. If he's in the best shape since he's been in phoenix i expect a lot from him.
3rdside
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Hah you're wrong hcsilla - from jim james:
Nyah Nyah
Seriously how can you be so sure - the guy's in good shape, has lost ten or so pounds, was a 20 and 10 guy for a while; i just don't think you can write him off yet. Unless you've seen him in the last month or so. Have you?
SirStefan32
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Looks like Deke is going to sign with NY. (See hoopshype)
