My Biggest Draft Worry

[Harry]

At the moment. The most probable scenario has Cards trading with Minnesota and taking WR Thomas. I know he’s a popular choice. I have several concerns with this strategy. First the drop off from the top 3 WRs is dramatic. The top 3 are no risk choices, especially Harrison and Ordunze. Even Nabers has a big upside and might eventually have the most impact. Thomas is very raw. He’s an overachiever in testing, like the Combine. He had a good season last year, still he’s exceptionally raw technique-wise compared to the top 3. He will take development to become a game changer if everything goes perfectly. He runs careless routes, lacks focus causing drops and does not have impressive YAC. His ceiling may well be a number 2 or weaker receiver. Second, if the Cards get a 2025 pick, I don’t like that draft at this point compared to 2023-24. The Cards should have learned future picks can be a major gamble. Finally, pick 23 has the potential of a stable starter, but not likely a future Pro Bowl player. The Cards would be giving up a player capable of changing games for some need fillers. That’s a bad decision.

 

[Stout]

Preach, Harry!

 

[Snakester]

Couldn’t agree more. Take the sure thing at 4. If Monti wants to make trades let it be with the rest of the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

It would be pretty disappointing if the Cards take Thomas at #11 to pick up some magic beans.

 

[Totally_Red]

If Monti trades with Minnesota he must have a pre-draft agreement in place with TN, ATL, or Chicago to trade up for one of the top 3, probably Odunze. Hopefully a swap of 2s and a 3 moves the Cardinals back up to 7 or 8.

Thomas at #11 is horrible. Take one of the edges.

 

[CardNots]

At the moment. The most probable scenario has Cards trading with Minnesota and taking WR Thomas. I know he’s a popular choice. I have several concerns with this strategy. First the drop off from the top 3 WRs is dramatic. The top 3 are no risk choices, especially Harrison and Ordunze. Even Nabers has a big upside and might eventually have the most impact. Thomas is very raw. He’s an overachiever in testing, like the Combine. He had a good season last year, still he’s exceptionally raw technique-wise compared to the top 3. He will take development to become a game changer if everything goes perfectly. He runs careless routes, lacks focus causing drops and does not have impressive YAC. His ceiling may well be a number 2 or weaker receiver. Second, if the Cards get a 2025 pick, I don’t like that draft at this point compared to 2023-24. The Cards should have learned future picks can be a major gamble. Finally, pick 23 has the potential of a stable starter, but not likely a future Pro Bowl player. The Cards would be giving up a player capable of changing games for some need fillers. That’s a bad decision.

Says who, you or trusted sources?

I will be shocked to see Thomas top 15.

 

[az jam]

If Monti trades with Minnesota he must have a pre-draft agreement in place with TN, ATL, or Chicago to trade up for one of the top 3, probably Odunze. Hopefully a swap of 2s and a 3 moves the Cardinals back up to 7 or 8.

Thomas at #11 is horrible. Take one of the edges.

Agree, they need to trade back up if they do the Vikings deal.

 

[kerouac9]

Thomas at #11 is horrible. Take one of the edges.

My impression of the edge class is they’re all complementary rushers in the BJ Ojulari/Markus Golden mode

 

[ASUCHRIS]

At the moment. The most probable scenario has Cards trading with Minnesota and taking WR Thomas. I know he’s a popular choice. I have several concerns with this strategy. First the drop off from the top 3 WRs is dramatic. The top 3 are no risk choices, especially Harrison and Ordunze. Even Nabers has a big upside and might eventually have the most impact. Thomas is very raw. He’s an overachiever in testing, like the Combine. He had a good season last year, still he’s exceptionally raw technique-wise compared to the top 3. He will take development to become a game changer if everything goes perfectly. He runs careless routes, lacks focus causing drops and does not have impressive YAC. His ceiling may well be a number 2 or weaker receiver. Second, if the Cards get a 2025 pick, I don’t like that draft at this point compared to 2023-24. The Cards should have learned future picks can be a major gamble. Finally, pick 23 has the potential of a stable starter, but not likely a future Pro Bowl player. The Cards would be giving up a player capable of changing games for some need fillers. That’s a bad decision.

This reeks of smartest guy in the room syndrome. If we don't get either Harrison or Odzune, I'm going to be pissed.

 

[kerouac9]

OSU’s WR coach was asked last year about his best players at the position. He mentioned MHJ first as above everyone else and then started going through everyone else. Wild.

 

[QuebecCard]

At the moment. The most probable scenario has Cards trading with Minnesota and taking WR Thomas. I know he’s a popular choice. I have several concerns with this strategy. First the drop off from the top 3 WRs is dramatic. The top 3 are no risk choices, especially Harrison and Ordunze. Even Nabers has a big upside and might eventually have the most impact. Thomas is very raw. He’s an overachiever in testing, like the Combine. He had a good season last year, still he’s exceptionally raw technique-wise compared to the top 3. He will take development to become a game changer if everything goes perfectly. He runs careless routes, lacks focus causing drops and does not have impressive YAC. His ceiling may well be a number 2 or weaker receiver. Second, if the Cards get a 2025 pick, I don’t like that draft at this point compared to 2023-24. The Cards should have learned future picks can be a major gamble. Finally, pick 23 has the potential of a stable starter, but not likely a future Pro Bowl player. The Cards would be giving up a player capable of changing games for some need fillers. That’s a bad decision.

sticking at #4 and selecting MHJ.

 

[jf-08]

Well, seeing as Hollywood isn't with the team anymore, Rondale was jettisoned off, Wilson can't stay healthy, if we trade away the opportunity to get MHJ, I'd be pissed if I was Kyler. We have no one, absolutely no one who is a game changer. McBride is nice, but he isn't a take over the game type of player.

If we didn't draft MHJ, Kyler isn't in our future plans.

 

[Shane]

Well, seeing as Hollywood isn't with the team anymore, Rondale was jettisoned off, Wilson can't stay healthy, if we trade away the opportunity to get MHJ, I'd be pissed if I was Kyler. We have no one, absolutely no one who is a game changer. McBride is nice, but he isn't a take over the game type of player.

If we didn't draft MHJ, Kyler isn't in our future plans.

Drama queens

 

[kerouac9]

Well, seeing as Hollywood isn't with the team anymore, Rondale was jettisoned off, Wilson can't stay healthy, if we trade away the opportunity to get MHJ, I'd be pissed if I was Kyler. We have no one, absolutely no one who is a game changer. McBride is nice, but he isn't a take over the game type of player.

If we didn't draft MHJ, Kyler isn't in our future plans.

I disagree with this. I think Kyler trusts this staff and is in communication with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were at the facility when Nabors, Odunze, and MHJ were around.

Kyler isn’t a fool; he loves ball and knows these guys’ college careers.

 

[jf-08]

I disagree with this. I think Kyler trusts this staff and is in communication with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were at the facility when Nabors, Odunze, and MHJ were around.

Kyler isn’t a fool; he loves ball and knows these guys’ college careers.

Yes, I should have quantified one of the three WRs. I think MHJ is ahead of the other two, but yes, any of the three are fine, especially if we extra capital with Rome or Nabors.

 

[FB94]

MHJ with 4, and another Wr in round 3 cuz even with MHJ the WR room still needs more.

 

[Proximo]

Well, seeing as Hollywood isn't with the team anymore, Rondale was jettisoned off, Wilson can't stay healthy, if we trade away the opportunity to get MHJ, I'd be pissed if I was Kyler. We have no one, absolutely no one who is a game changer. McBride is nice, but he isn't a take over the game type of player.

If we didn't draft MHJ, Kyler isn't in our future plans.

This is silly. Just because your opinion is MHJ is can’t miss doesn’t mean others agree, or that they can’t believe there are other can’t miss relievers in this draft.

Personally I am a believer the top3 wr are very similar and are all likely to succeed. I will be happy with any of them. History suggests at least 1 other receiver in this draft is likely to be a star that is drafted after the first round.

 

[jf-08]

This is silly. Just because your opinion is MHJ is can’t miss doesn’t mean others agree, or that they can’t believe there are other can’t miss relievers in this draft.

Personally I am a believer the top3 wr are very similar and are all likely to succeed. I will be happy with any of them. History suggests at least 1 other receiver in this draft is likely to be a star that is drafted after the first round.

See my response a couple posts later

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Monti going to shock the world by getting MJH + either Nabers or Odunze!

Book it!

 

[Harry]

Says who, you or trusted sources?

I will be shocked to see Thomas top 15.

Just say me if that works for you.

 

[Stout]

If Monti trades with Minnesota he must have a pre-draft agreement in place with TN, ATL, or Chicago to trade up for one of the top 3, probably Odunze. Hopefully a swap of 2s and a 3 moves the Cardinals back up to 7 or 8.

Thomas at #11 is horrible. Take one of the edges.

Even that would be a risk not worth taking.

 

[BACH]

I fully agree. I’m Very much for Taking down IF AND ONLY IF there is a deal to Trade back up in order to Secure a bluechip player. I’m not that focused on Harrison, I would be okay with Either of the 3 Or even Alt. PFF’s prospect rating of WR over the last 10 years: 1. MHJ, 2. Nabers, 3. Chase, 4. Odunze. I Think the tiny drop-off from MHJ to Odunze is a fair Price to pay for 1-2 extra 1st rounders (after trading back up)

 

[Jetstream Green]

This is silly. Just because your opinion is MHJ is can’t miss doesn’t mean others agree, or that they can’t believe there are other can’t miss relievers in this draft.

Personally I am a believer the top3 wr are very similar and are all likely to succeed. I will be happy with any of them. History suggests at least 1 other receiver in this draft is likely to be a star that is drafted after the first round.

And his name is Adonai Mitchell

 

[Krangodnzr]

My impression of the edge class is they’re all complementary rushers in the BJ Ojulari/Markus Golden mode

Agree with this statement, just like last year, no physically dominant edge guy. Even Turner is pretty much a high end #2 rusher. Verse doesn't look like an elite edge either, and Latu isn't good enough against the run to be a top edge guy either.

 

[BACH]

Even that would be a risk not worth taking.

This is were We disagree

My impression of the edge class is they’re all complementary rushers in the BJ Ojulari/Markus Golden mode

PFF has Latu as the best edge and a #1 passrusher - But with huge injury concerns that drops him down as #2-4 edge