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Not Bell specifically but they sure do need to do something. Right now these are the candidates for starting Right Tackle:

Batiste
Bridges
Snyder
D.J Young

Who is available in the draft at #13 that could improve that? I don't know. But it sure limits what you can do in the draft if you must pick an OT.

Sadly the situation gets worse if the Cards draft DeCastro because now we are looking at an OT in the 3rd or later rounds.

Levi Brown is starting at Left Tackle no matter how much wishful thinking we do on ASFN about him moving to the right side.

That is the truth. The Snyder signing was all about flexibility. But even he admits his best position is Guard. If we try to force him into a RT role, I think we simultaneously decimate the strength of our line (interior) and do nothing to improve the performance of the weak links. We have to get one more tackle in FA or else we have no choice but the reach for one in the draft.
 

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With the announcement that Demetrius Bell is set to visit the Packers later this week, (and possibly the Skins as well), my hopes of our front office going all-in to fix our O-line took a big hit today. I no longer believe that the FO/HC have any real interest in signing Bell. That is a shame, because we had the opportunity to really make our OL into something very special, and do it relatively cheaply by most standards today.

I had salivated over a line of Bell-LT, Colledge-LG, Sendlein-C, Snyder-RG, and Levi Brown-RT. I figured Batiste and Bridges to compete for the remaining OT backup slot, and hoped for DeCastro to fall to us at #13. I no longer believe that the FO intends to sign Bell, and the way DeCastro has climbed in many scouts and anylists's surveys lately, I no longer believe DeCastro will be available at #13.

I now believe that our FO will start an OL consisting of Brown-LT, Colledge-LG, Sendlein-C, Snyder-RG, and Batiste and Bridges competing for RT, with the loser as the OT-backup. I believe that they feel they can sign Lutui to back-up the Guards, and that Barthalomew will back-up Sendlein. I believe that this strategy is flawed, as Lutui might just get selected by the 9'rs, and give them, not only a decent RG, but our line-calls as well.

Sadly, this is exactly the kind of thinking that led to us not taking a #2 WR in free agency or the draft last year. More sadly, I don't believe that either Blackmon or Riley will be available to them this year, and once again, they seem to have let the decent ones get signed before they acted in free agency.

Some might say that the Cards covet Johnathon Martin at LT. If that is true, it has become pretty clear to most that he is not ready to step into the fray this year. Most analysts believe he is neither strong enough or athletic enough to play OT in the pros. Some even believe he has no desire to work to get better than he has been all along, (not exactly what you would want to see in a prospective long-term replacement at LT on one's OL). Sure, Lott could make him stronger and quicker. He can't make him meaner, and is not likely to be able to give him the desire and dedication it takes to play in this league.

I now see us taking Luke Keuchley, ILB, with the #13 pick. I believe he will be there for us, and I also believe he would be BPA at that pick, and that he would make our inside linebacking corps, (Washington & Keuchley), a very formidable one for years to come. I believe that our O/L will be only slightly better than last year, (due to Levi's performance in his last 9 games at LT), in which he seems to have finally had the light come on. I believe that Snyder will only be marginally better than Lutui would have at RG, and that is even questionable. One thing about Snyder is certain however, (no one will out work him), which is something Deuce did not bring to the table, (no pun intendelookd).

I want to sign Bell. I don't know how good Bell is or not but he HAS to be an upgrade over Kieth. And we don't have to go OT in the first.

But I think your getting carried away saying we could have a special oline. But in Cardinal land, I would agree with Bell this would be a potentialy special oline for our standards...
 

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Not to split hairs but Bell has 30 starts in 31 career games out of a possible 64 games.. Dude has missed more than half his career sitting on the sideline

This scares me. Talent doesn't mean squat if its on the sidelines.

But I don't think Bell wouldnt be breaking the bank so worth the risk imo.
 

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That is the truth. The Snyder signing was all about flexibility. But even he admits his best position is Guard. If we try to force him into a RT role, I think we simultaneously decimate the strength of our line (interior) and do nothing to improve the performance of the weak links. We have to get one more tackle in FA or else we have no choice but the reach for one in the draft.

Always have a choice, and would prefer a DeCastro / Snyder right side over a Snyder / reach.
 

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Agree with you Catfish. For the Cardinals and the position they are in this would be a big signing. Still hopeful it happens.
 
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Its not like I believe that Bell is a MUST signing in order to have a successful season. Its more like signing him makes our O-line really improved from last year, compared to marginally improved from last year. I would like to see some REAL improvement there, especially in light of what a difference a couple of players made for our defense last year. It would be nice to see that same kind of improvement on the O-line this year. That has been a problem ever since Whiz and Grimm came to the valley.
 

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Let's all start lobbying Bell to scratch his Green Bay visit and join the Birdgang. Just a thought. Looks like at least one Cards fan already did.

@DBell77 Come on big fella... PLEEZ join the #Birdgang so we can win the West. We needz ya!
 

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With the announcement that Demetrius Bell is set to visit the Packers later this week, (and possibly the Skins as well), my hopes of our front office going all-in to fix our O-line took a big hit today. I no longer believe that the FO/HC have any real interest in signing Bell. That is a shame, because we had the opportunity to really make our OL into something very special, and do it relatively cheaply by most standards today.

I had salivated over a line of Bell-LT, Colledge-LG, Sendlein-C, Snyder-RG, and Levi Brown-RT. I figured Batiste and Bridges to compete for the remaining OT backup slot, and hoped for DeCastro to fall to us at #13. I no longer believe that the FO intends to sign Bell, and the way DeCastro has climbed in many scouts and anylists's surveys lately, I no longer believe DeCastro will be available at #13.

I now believe that our FO will start an OL consisting of Brown-LT, Colledge-LG, Sendlein-C, Snyder-RG, and Batiste and Bridges competing for RT, with the loser as the OT-backup. I believe that they feel they can sign Lutui to back-up the Guards, and that Barthalomew will back-up Sendlein. I believe that this strategy is flawed, as Lutui might just get selected by the 9'rs, and give them, not only a decent RG, but our line-calls as well.

I've never watched Bell play and I can't imagine that many people on this board have watched him specifically. How can you say that Bell would make our OL something very special??? Sure the talking heads have listed him as the best OT on the market, but we are talking about a very poor market for players at that position.

Bell is entering his prime but has a history of injuries. That is all we know for sure. Most of what I've read about him is that he has potential to be a good LT. But to say that signing him would make our line something very special I just don't see it.
 
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I've never watched Bell play and I can't imagine that many people on this board have watched him specifically. How can you say that Bell would make our OL something very special??? Sure the talking heads have listed him as the best OT on the market, but we are talking about a very poor market for players at that position.

Bell is entering his prime but has a history of injuries. That is all we know for sure. Most of what I've read about him is that he has potential to be a good LT. But to say that signing him would make our line something very special I just don't see it.

He is proven to be good when healthy------consider this.

2008-----did not play, (was a rookie)
2009-----played in 8 games, started all 8 (I'm guessing the last 8 that year)
2110-----played l6 games, started all 16
2011-----played in 9 games, started 8

I don't know if he was injured early in 2011 and went to have surgery, or if he was injured in game 8, then tried to come back in game nine but couldn't go. MOST O-linemen have had knee surgery, so I wouldn't be concerned about that if that was the case. In any event, he is young, proven when healthy, and would give us a LOT of flexibility on the O-line, especially with Levi appearing to have turned the corner and signing Snyder. Batiste appears to be ready to compete with Bridges as a backup. Bartholamew is ready to backup Sendlein. If we can draft DeCastro at 13, we may just have a very special core of people on the O-line that can stay together for years. That is what everyone seeks in an O-line, (talent, depth, flexibility).
 

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But Catfish, what makes you think he's all that wonderful considering that even the Buffalo Bills are essentially letting him walk? We all know that if you have a good LT you don't let him hit free agency.
 

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Catfish Nuggets!

Man that makes me feel even more wonderful about Levi! Man I am so far outside the mainstream of Cards fans, that is not my intentions, and sometimes I just want to Lie too get along.

You would really take Bell over Levi at the same price?

I still have Levi graded as top 5 talented Cardinal and way better than bell at LT. I don't think think Bell holds up with a last place run game, I think Joe Thomas is destroyed if defenses all out rushed every down- Like Levi is proven at!

Reminds me of Billy Jack Movie! I'm going to take my left foot and kick you on the right side of your face, and there is nothing you can do about it!
That is what the Kurt Warner attacking offense- said to defenses, the most pressure fell on SMUSHDOWN Levi Brow, and we went to our first SB and won 2 NFCW titles in a row.

I respect that and will continue to fan for Levi Brown, Sendlein, Bridges and Deuce. I like me some Reggie Wells also. Him and Hayes may have been our biggest losses since the SB.






He is proven to be good when healthy------consider this.

2008-----did not play, (was a rookie)
2009-----played in 8 games, started all 8 (I'm guessing the last 8 that year)
2110-----played l6 games, started all 16
2011-----played in 9 games, started 8

I don't know if he was injured early in 2011 and went to have surgery, or if he was injured in game 8, then tried to come back in game nine but couldn't go. MOST O-linemen have had knee surgery, so I wouldn't be concerned about that if that was the case. In any event, he is young, proven when healthy, and would give us a LOT of flexibility on the O-line, especially with Levi appearing to have turned the corner and signing Snyder. Batiste appears to be ready to compete with Bridges as a backup. Bartholamew is ready to backup Sendlein. If we can draft DeCastro at 13, we may just have a very special core of people on the O-line that can stay together for years. That is what everyone seeks in an O-line, (talent, depth, flexibility).
 
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He is proven to be good when healthy------consider this.

2008-----did not play, (was a rookie)
2009-----played in 8 games, started all 8 (I'm guessing the last 8 that year)
2110-----played l6 games, started all 16
2011-----played in 9 games, started 8

I don't know if he was injured early in 2011 and went to have surgery, or if he was injured in game 8, then tried to come back in game nine but couldn't go. MOST O-linemen have had knee surgery, so I wouldn't be concerned about that if that was the case. In any event, he is young, proven when healthy, and would give us a LOT of flexibility on the O-line, especially with Levi appearing to have turned the corner and signing Snyder. Batiste appears to be ready to compete with Bridges as a backup. Bartholamew is ready to backup Sendlein. If we can draft DeCastro at 13, we may just have a very special core of people on the O-line that can stay together for years. That is what everyone seeks in an O-line, (talent, depth, flexibility).

According to NFL.com you have the games wrong in 2011: He played in 7 and started 6.
 

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I've never watched Bell play and I can't imagine that many people on this board have watched him specifically. How can you say that Bell would make our OL something very special??? Sure the talking heads have listed him as the best OT on the market, but we are talking about a very poor market for players at that position.

Bell is entering his prime but has a history of injuries. That is all we know for sure. Most of what I've read about him is that he has potential to be a good LT. But to say that signing him would make our line something very special I just don't see it.


Well it sounds like Bell is stinking it up in Philly:

No clever headline will aptly describe how awful left tackle Demetrius Bell looked. Bell, brought in to replace Pro Bowler Jason Peters, played with the second team behind the mammoth King Dunlap. Bell had multiple penalties, and was continuously beaten off the edge. He looked slow and at times confused. Suddenly, Dunlap is massively important to the Eagles chances this season. He'll protect Vick's front side. Let's hope he can use his massive, close to 6'10" frame, to create long routes to the quarterback for opposing defensive ends. As for Bell, he may have just went from battling for a starting spot to battling for a job.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/philad...and-patriots-fan-reaction-044500555--nfl.html

My coworker who is a huge Eagles fan says Bell has been a complete waste of time and money. I guess maybe he wouldn't have been the savior of our OL like some had suggested. I mean the guy is currently being out played by King Dunlap. WHO????
 

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Well it sounds like Bell is stinking it up in Philly:



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/philad...and-patriots-fan-reaction-044500555--nfl.html

My coworker who is a huge Eagles fan says Bell has been a complete waste of time and money. I guess maybe he wouldn't have been the savior of our OL like some had suggested. I mean the guy is currently being out played by King Dunlap. WHO????

So much for bringing in an outside savior. Bell was the top choice for most here over Levi or anybody else.
 

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My hopes for the off-season

That right there IS your problem. I can imagine even a Buddha would start questing themselves if they got stuck following this team.
 

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