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I've decided I've had enough...until Dennis Green is gone...I'm gone. To some of you this your happy day. To others, well, I bid you fair adieu, until we meet again under far more favorable circumstances...like Green is gone...and a first-rate football coach like Charlie Weis is our head man.

You see...you got sucked into the Dennis Green mystique out of desperation...just as the Bidwills and Rod Graves did. I'd bet the ranch they are rueing the day right now...and so should you.

You see...why do people think that just because it's pro football...that proper decorum and treatment of human beings can be abandoned? That's flat-out a pathetic and egregious excuse...the fact is, our Cardinal players deserve to be treated with the utmost of respect, like any other employees in a business. They don't deserve to be demeaned, belittled and humiliated. After all, they are kids, mostly in their twenties, who have achieved to a level that would allow them to play in the greatest game on earth. They should be nurtured...coached...encouraged...brought along with patience and guidance...not tortured with mind games, superfluous demotions and humiliations.

I resent the treatment these players are receiving. I resent the fact that L.J. Shelton has toiled in the scalding sun here in Arizona for six years and now because he gained a little weight following off-season surgeries, he has been forced to kiss the coaches' arses just to get a decent chance at making the roster or cracking the starting lineup. There was another Dennis Green player that was so worried about the sanctions he'd receive...and the ridicule from coaches and teammates he'd encounter...for coming into camp overweight...his name is Korey Stringer...and he lost his life trying to avoid such sanctions and ridicule. Make all the excuses you want...keep defending Jake, for all I care. If you don't find fault with this, you are in extreme denial.

To L.J. Shelton's unbelievable credit, he has tried to do his job...and has not as yet asked to be traded. L.J....my friend...don't take this crap any more...make DG cut you...you will be as hotly pursued as Pete Kendall was and you will be far happier wherever you go. You deserve that...because you have played your heart out in a microwave for the lowly Cardinals and even stuck with the Cardinals when they hit rock bottom. You were one of the few players who came in here and believed that you could help to turn things around...why else would you have put forth your best season as a pro during a 4-12, horrendous season? You did it because you are a professional...and I laud you for the integrity of all of that. Some cynics will say, you did it because you were in a contract year...but I saw you busting your butt the previous year...and you were always getting better.

To my fellow posters on this board, let's apply the Golden Rule. Do you want to work for a boss who will humiliate you because he thinks that's how to motivate you? Do you want to be sworn and cussed at? Like some sort of scum? Do you want to be singled out when fellow co-workers of yours aren't doing half the job you are doing and thay aren't getting any of the grief you are?

What makes you think that just because it's pro football, that employees can be treated in this fashion? Yeah, like some other poster threw on the board...break out the violins...yeah, that's right...puppy dog...

I feel sorry for many of you...because you are so desperate for the Cardinals to win that you are so willing to jump on some meglomaniac's bandwagon. Let me say one thing to you...that isn't winning...no matter how you shake it...winning is developing a morale...a unison...a communion...a respectful cooperation...and if you think for one minute that Dennis Green, of all people, is capable of doing that...you are sadly mistaken.

I hope all the most talented Cardinals...never play a snap this year...in a sad way, I am glad the team's two toughest players, Marcel Shipp and Anquan Boldin are hurt...and I hope neither one of them has to play a snap this year...because this will be one of the most fruitless, wasted years in franchise history.

The "old school" coaching modus operandi is, thank God, a thing of the past...much like slavery and discrimination.

And you know what...the people you are quick to bash the most...the Bidwills...will take you by surprise...they have enormous pride...and they treat people well...with class...and they won't allow Dennis Green to sabbotage their organization beyond this year. Mark my words...Dennis Green is one and out in Arizona.

Sure, you can just anticipate, Sean Salisbury assuring the ESPN audience after this year's debacle that, "Give Dennis Green time, he will build a winner in Arizona." Well, emit a loud guffaw at that one...because when push came to shove Sean Salisbury spurned joining Green in Arizona to remain in the booth at ESPN. Make all the excuses you want...the bottom line is...even so-called Green disciples can't commit to the guy...because, at the end of the day, he and his egregious ego are not worth committing to.

That's it. I've said enough. To those of you who are glad to see me gone...I'lkl say to myself what you undoubtedly will say to me..."Good riddance." To my friends here at ASFN...thanks for being kind to me...you inspired me...and you make me proud as ever to be a Cardinal fan. In the immortal words of Jim Rome..."I'm out."
 

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You know Walter, In respect to the way Green has treated some of the players, you are absolutely right. I hope that you are wrong and he turns Arizona into a winner, but I've been reading your articles for a while and I understand you to be a very strong football mind and a very good writer, I'll miss your articles.
 

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Sorry to see you go Walter, wish it could have been different.

That said, if the Cards start to win and Green stays on, you're not coming back? That's not fair to the rest of us on the board who enjoy reading what you write.

You're welcome back anytime.

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Walt, I think you've lost it.

1) Stop with the employer analogies. Yes it is employment, but it's the NFL, it's not a politcally correct office environment. If Dennis Green were "too mean" to be an effective leader and all Cardinal players are mistreated employees, then every single player in the NFL could and would file a "complaint" to the HR department. Dennis Green is not a middle manager at insurace office, he's a football coach.

2) The Saintly Joe Gibbs cut Ohalete because he apparently wasn't buying into the program, and cut Brandon Winey, who started 3 games at LT last year because he was hurt. Tom Coughlin talks about injured players as a "cancer" to the team. Jon Gruden has a far bigger ego and is far more cruel and demanding then Dennis Green.

3) You are asking us to feel sorry for LJ Shelton who made $7 million dollars last year to play a game, who is scheduled to make $2.5 million this year to again play a game. Of course his employers are "angry" at him since his physical condition is limiting his effectiveness at his job.

"Run LJ, run! Free yourself from the burden of "toiling in the sun" for $2.5 million this year!"

This is just ridiculous. If Green was such a "bad man", why does Sean Salisberry, his former QB, talk so highly about playing for him? Why did Daunte Culpepper tell Shaun King how great it is to play for Green during free agency?

I could go on, but there's no need. How ironic that you seem to be such a die hard. You've never seen competent, successful, disciplined football, and when it finally slaps you in the face, you literally run away.

Can't say I'm going to miss threads with insight and analysis like this. Is Preston Parsons #2 on the depth chart yet? :wave:
 
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Hope you change your mind Walter. You and your articles have contributed more to this site than can truly be measured!

For as many as there were calling for your head there are many more who support you even if they dont agree with you.

Come back Walter! :thumbup:
 

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To summarize for anyone who didn't read it all; Walter said: Waaah! I'm taking my ball and going home!

Honestly Walter, you are taking all this a little bit to seriously. It's not something fans have any real control over so why get a hemorrhoid over it? Stick around and tell us how much Green sucks and how good we had it when we were 4-12 and had happy and well-treated players.

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Exceptionally well put, although I wish you didn't feel like you have to leave because of it all.

But, given the blindly wild love affair that many, both here & elsewhere, are having with Denny Green, I can see where your stomach probably cannot take it anymore. I know mine is having extreme difficulties, with it all.

Green is indeed an egomaniac, a megalomaniac, who will stop at nothing to show his 'power' to all watching. He has done everything BUT treat the players with respect. It matters not how they're doing on the field; these guys are human beings, too. Human beings stuck on a field with an outspoken man with the manners of a rabid animal will not do well.

But the desperate fans are willing to tolerate this guy, because they (again) believe that Green can do what no one before him has been able to do: field a winner.

Basketball has a perfect analogy for what a 'coach' is capable of. The world was drooling over the 'genius' of Phil Jackson, because of his success in Chicago. He goes to LA, with three times the talent, and his 'genius' suddenly isn't good enough, because he didn't know how to make all of his overpaid superstars play like a team.

Sorry gang, but Jackson didn't win any NBA rings. Michael, Scotty & the rest of the players did. Jackson was along for the ride. The Lakers debaucle proved that.

One can point to the Bryant, Kush, Parseghian, Hayes, Paterno eras, but these were college coaches - men who hand pick their players, work hard at getting them to commit to the program, then mold the players, the kids, without paying them millions of dollars and not having to worry about their players getting wrapped up in Nike or Gatorade endorsements.

The pros are different. Walsh stepped aside and the Niners kept winning. The team started losing when the players got old or went to other teams. Landry was released and Johnson brought in. What happened? The Cowboys kept winning. Johnson was fired and Switzer was brought in and ..... well, we won't go there. :D

With the players Green had with the Vikings, even Barry Switzer could have made it to the playoffs. He might have gone further, too.

The oft-found deification of Denny Green is enough to turn stomachs. The more I watch, read and listen, he does sound more & more like another Buddy Ryan.

And, like with Ryan, the Bidwills, while not good football stewards, do display a high amount of class, will not tolerate him for long. They will can Green. The sooner, the better.
 

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Please reconsider Walter.

I love reading your opinions and well written articles (Hey, thats where I got my avatar from!) even if I do not agree completly on your take of DG(I do agree that his methods are not kind, and it would be nice if he was nicer and more loyal. However, I am willing to try anything at this point).

Hope you keep posting.

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Comparing 'old school' coaching to slavery and discrimination. Nice tact.

Calling for a head coach's job before he coached a single snap because he has a big ego and cut a few mediocre players. Pretty smart.

Cheering against the Cards because you have some juvenile hatred for our head coach, whom you have probably never met. Real classy.

In case you were wondering, this message is dripping with sarcasm.

PS - I for one will be rooting for Green. Not because I'm in love with the guy's personality or because I think he does no wrong, but because I'm a Cardinals fan and he's our head coach. Three years, and if we still suck, then give him the boot. Until then, Go Cards and go Green.
 

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I'm sorry, but this is just F'ing stupid.......
 

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A little summer reading????
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
I've decided I've had enough...until Dennis Green is gone...I'm gone. ......
...... " To my friends here at ASFN...thanks for being kind to me...you inspired me...and you make me proud as ever to be a Cardinal fan. In the immortal words of Jim Rome..."I'm out."

I'm sorry to hear that Walter. I'm sorry that DG got so deep under your skin. After all he is just a coach and the Cardinals are still our Cardinals.

You will be missed.
 

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OMG what a pathetic excuse! Go Home then. Find another team to root for.
 

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Walter hope you reconsider, but the Cards will always be here and so will your fan support even though you have conflicting issues with DG. I don't like his tactics either no question about it but its time for a change, a new direction for us. I'll give DG 2-3 years tops till I fully question his moves until then I'll keep posting on this site and and back up the Cards moves and the head coach thats' steering this ship. Hope to see your articles around Walter.
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
I hope all the most talented Cardinals...never play a snap this year...in a sad way, I am glad the team's two toughest players, Marcel Shipp and Anquan Boldin are hurt.

Well that staement makes you the worlds largest ass doesnt it. I have never posted a single thought on your articles. I have never participated in any "Walter threads". But this post was disgusting. I am glad your leaving and hope you never come back looser.

Walter Mitchell said:
In the immortal words of Jim Rome..."I'm out."


Now I know why you dont make a lick of sense. Look who you quote as "immortal". An ass.
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
I've decided I've had enough...until Dennis Green is gone...I'm gone. To some of you this your happy day. To others, well, I bid you fair adieu, until we meet again under far more favorable circumstances...like Green is gone...and a first-rate football coach like Charlie Weis is our head man.

You see...you got sucked into the Dennis Green mystique out of desperation...just as the Bidwills and Rod Graves did. I'd bet the ranch they are rueing the day right now...and so should you.

As to your decision to leave..... :thumbdown BOOO!!!

As to your opinion of the Bidwills and Graves, I guess I think a lot more highly of them than you do. Do you believe Mike Bidwill and Graves are such weak-kneed wimps that they cannot control Green and none of this is with their blessing? Mike Bidwill is a guy who went through years of cutthroat, tough as nails negotiating for a stadium. He was a prosecutor. And, Graves got in with the Bidwills by staring down some of the tougher agents in the game. These guys are so meek, they cannot say anything to Green? Hogwash.

Sorry Walter, but you would lose the ranch. I guess you want a cartoonish, moustache twirling, villian over real life.
 

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The comments about Charley Weis show the bias and motive behind all this hatred for Green. Its absolutely ridiculous to spend so much time to tear Green down before he has coached a single game. Most Cards fans I know, have wanted a coach, that would start the players performing at the highest level. Maybe Green is wrong about who he thinks those guys are, but he's obviously trying to find those guys and move forward. Its refreshing actually. This thing will be decided on the field. Anyone that hates Green, but doesn't want to stick around and see how it turns out, I supect they are afraid Green will get this thing off the ground, and they don't want to be proven wrong. Good riddance.
 

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Give the guy a chance. His 3 best receivers and top running back are out and you want to leave the team because he, Green, is an egomaniac. Give me a break. I don't care if all the players hate him as long as he wins. You think Parcells is an egomaniac, you bet he is but people love him because he wins. It's all about getting the numbers in the W column. McGinnins was liked yet his teams never came out prepared and were quitting on the guy. If Denny can't do the job then we can call for his head, but to call for it now after 1 Preseason game and ruffling a few feathers is absolutely absurd.

JD
 

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EndZone said:
OMG what a pathetic excuse! Go Home then. Find another team to root for.

Fine post, and from a mod no less. :rolleyes: Sorry dude, but that's just a lousy thing to say.

Walter has his opinions. I don't agree with his opinions in this case, but I respect him for standing up for what he believes in. I too enjoyed his articles, and will miss his contributions to this site. Sorry you feel you have to take a haitus while Green drives the ship, Walter. You input will be missed. Take care and hope to see you back this way someday.
 

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Walter,

So you have decided not to contribute any further here because Green is the HC of the Cardinals.........how absurd!

Perhaps some of the stinging criticism from your recent "editorial" has hit/hurt your ego hard...........yes/no?

I, like others, will miss your thoughts on football and the Cardinals but to exit the ASFN family as you have tells me a little something about you..........well, I'll just leave it at that!
 

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Cardinal Bob said:
Fine post, and from a mod no less. :rolleyes: Sorry dude, but that's just a lousy thing to say.

Walter has his opinions. I don't agree with his opinions in this case, but I respect him for standing up for what he believes in. I too enjoyed his articles, and will miss his contributions to this site. Sorry you feel you have to take a haitus while Green drives the ship, Walter. You input will be missed. Take care and hope to see you back this way someday.


I agree! Another classy post from this mod! :rolleyes:
 
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