My Last Post Until...

[kerouac9]

Yeah, I know. There are easily 15 backs in the NFL I'd rather have than Marcel Shipp, and the same was true last October. I don't know what Walter was thinking.

There seem to be Cardinal fans in two camps: one that sides with the players primarily, and one that sides with the Franchise. Walter was a player supporter. He was always cheering for guys like Marcel, Raynoch, KVB, etc., because they were Cardinals. Because they were Cardinal players, he thought they were better than they were.

I know that I (and I think that this is true with Ouchie and his henchman cheesy as well) are fans of the Cardinals as a franchise, and when we see bad players, we recognize that they're bad, and want them off the team for someone better. It's a subtle distinction, and has come up more this season than any other in recent memory, but it's obviously been a divisive issue (Kendall, Shelton, Dex, Pace, KVB) this offseason.

 

[Lex]

I remember back on December 25th, 1995, last game of the year against Dallas. The stands at Sun Devil were full of giddy cowpuke fans delighted by the 37-13 whipping the Cardinals were taking, as they relentlessly let me have it. That was the last time I got kicked out of a game for sticking up for the Cardinals, and Buddy's last game too, as he ran off the field before the game was even over.

After that game I burned my gear, and swore to never be taken in again.

Three months later I was buying season tickets again.

See you later Walter.

 

[Savage58]

I think he/she was joking.

If not, pass that BONG!

 

[Djaughe]

I haven't used Madden as a reference for how a player is in a long, long time. I can't believe that I've had that label hung on me for over a year.

You've been typed cast. Kinda like the actor who played scotty on star trek....

 

[joeshmo]

Walter,

So you have decided not to contribute any further here because Green is the HC of the Cardinals.........how absurd!

Perhaps some of the stinging criticism from your recent "editorial" has hit/hurt your ego hard...........yes/no?

I, like others, will miss your thoughts on football and the Cardinals but to exit the ASFN family as you have tells me a little something about you..........well, I'll just leave it at that!

Me and Spanky agree on something. I to will just point to Spankys post and leave it at that, although I can go on for hours.

 

[HIX]

We all know that the real reason Walter has left is because of the way he was attacked for his views. There is a group of fans on this board that digress into personal childish attacks when they don't agree with someones opinion. Instead of treating them with respect and with the knowledge that not everyone agrees all the time they gang up on the people they disagree with. Not everyone is willing to deal with that.

The world isn't all puppy dogs and kittens, this board is adversarial by nature and not everyone is thick skinned enough to deal with the backlash that comes in when they voice an opinion that isn't the same as all the other Sheeple. I personally think it is a cop out that he left like this but I can understand why he did. Some of you guys need to take a step back, pull your ego in check before we loose some more valuable posters that actually take the time to write out there thought and submit them. Either that or get off your lazy asses and write some articles to put on ther front page for yourself so we can tear you apart about your opinions too.

 

[joeshmo]

Thats cool if Skkorp has changed his mind then I have no problem stepping down. Like I said I come to the site because I am a fan.

As it should be. You are here as a fan who was asked to help and be a Mod as a favor. You are a Fan first and a Mod second, it is as simple as that. Go on being a Fan.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think most of us like to follow the team while playing "If I were the GM" or "If I were Head Coach."

The problem is when we take ourselves too seriously and forget that we're only fans "playing along" and not really the actual GM or Coach.

Just because each of us think "we know the way" for the Cards to win, it's easy to forget that there's more than one way and that the "real" GM and Head Coach may - often based on things they know and we don't know - have a different plan.

We shouldn't look at this as some sort of afront or insult to our own intelligence - it's just that a coach or GM often is coming from a different direction based on a different perspective.

I wouldn't be honest, however, if I didn't admit saying "I knew that dude was wrong all the time" and want to throw things each time the team slid down slope to oblivion, but there have also been a lot of times where my initial thinking turned out to be wrong.

My point: Who are we to say that Dennis Green's way - however untenable it may look now - will or will not turn out to be the right way? To claim we absolutely "know" what the right course of action is kind of unrealistic.

And besides, either way, it's not the end of the world.

 

[AZCardsWin]

I've decided I've had enough...until Dennis Green is gone...I'm gone. "

Lets give Dennis Green at least 1 regular season game under his belt before we run him out of town! Too Funny!!!

Go Cards/ America!
Tim

 

[Lars the Red]

I remember jumping all over one of his articles when he raved about some player that didn't even stay for a cup of coffee and got blistered by half the board for tugging on Superman's cape. I came back with some snotty response, generally saying there were no Sacred Cows on the board and anyone was fair game.

The last couple of stories have made me believe Walter never so much as walked on a field or court in a competitive situation. Anyone that had would recognize that all coaches have a different style. Green was considered a solid guy with his group in MN, and was the reason we got some of our FA this season. The guys that seem to have the most problems with him are those that he inherits. It seems to me that they are the one's that need to change. They need to adjust to him, not the other way around. I've never met a coach that doesn't dance carefully around the real message he's trying to send. It's important that players learn to read the meaning behind the public comments. That's not lying, it's manipulating. Manipulation is an important part of coaching. Mac wasn't a manipulator, but then again, Mac wasn't very good. Parcells, Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren, Belichick, Billick, all these guys have been known to be extremely harsh in their comments in practice. They also are classic examples of guys that use 'coach speak' as a tool to manipulate their players.

Walter could not get past the ego the Denny has. His loss. I'm not expecting an immediate turnaround in the Cards this year, because Denny will be playing people he really doesn't want around. He'll be busy molding others into the kind of team he wants, which obviously doesn't sit well with Walter. Hell, Walter, ever worked for a company that changes ownership? Have you watched the new CEO step up and say, 'we're going to be making some minor adjustments, but the employees really don't have to worry about it'. Then, 30 days later, half of upper and middle management is gone. That's the way it works. If you want to build a successful business, you want to have the people around you that you believe can do the job.

Later, Walter, I'm sure someone will step in and fill the void nicely.

 

[Lars the Red]

We all know that the real reason Walter has left is because of the way he was attacked for his views. There is a group of fans on this board that digress into personal childish attacks when they don't agree with someones opinion. Instead of treating them with respect and with the knowledge that not everyone agrees all the time they gang up on the people they disagree with. Not everyone is willing to deal with that.

The world isn't all puppy dogs and kittens, this board is adversarial by nature and not everyone is thick skinned enough to deal with the backlash that comes in when they voice an opinion that isn't the same as all the other Sheeple. I personally think it is a cop out that he left like this but I can understand why he did. Some of you guys need to take a step back, pull your ego in check before we loose some more valuable posters that actually take the time to write out there thought and submit them. Either that or get off your lazy asses and write some articles to put on ther front page for yourself so we can tear you apart about your opinions too.

What a load. If you or anyone else decided to write some bizzaro analogy like Walter did, you darn well better expect to get the kind of response that he did. Walter didn't say, 'Well, I just feel Coach Green needs to slow down a bit and get to understand how the players feel', to which many might respond, 'I fully disagree'. Walter said the guy has to go, after the first preseason game, before the first game of the year, with 90% of his offense injured, and after only one draft. That gets you the response he got. Reactionary editorials are responded to in a reactionary manner.

 

[joeshmo]

Reactionary editorials are responded to in a reactionary manner.

Never thought of it that way. Nice way of putting it.

 

[Russ Smith]

My point: Who are we to say that Dennis Green's way - however untenable it may look now - will or will not turn out to be the right way? To claim we absolutely "know" what the right course of action is kind of unrealistic.

And besides, either way, it's not the end of the world.

I do agree but I also see the other side, hell I live it everyday at work.

18 months ago we hired a DG type as an exec here at work, everyone said "yes he's abrasive, yes he'll blurt out obscenities in the middle of a meeting if he doesn't like something, but he will hold people accountable and improve the way this company works."

18 months and 5 full reorgs(of his group) later, revenue is down, earnings are down, profits are a pipe dream, morale is at rock bottom and the only thing up under his regime is attrition.

We were all warned, people are going to leave, you may not agree, but this needs to be done, the people who want to work hard will survive and prosper, and the exact opposite has happened. Virtually everyone who has to work closely with the guy has quit. The problem here is there is no Rod Graves or Michael Bidwill to keep the guy in check, the CEO basically said he brought the guy in to do a job and he's going to let him do it, I assume eventually he'll get the picture and fire the guy, but until then, it's my way or the highway, and a lot of key employees in his group are choosing the highway to the extreme detriment of the company.

That's why I keep saying as long as Green is JUST the coach, I'm fine, if Graves is removed from the equation(remember even VF said repeatedly that ultimately Green will force Graves out), that's when I start shouting the sky is falling.

Until then, let him do what he can do to build a winning football team

 

[HIX]

What a load. If you or anyone else decided to write some bizzaro analogy like Walter did, you darn well better expect to get the kind of response that he did. Walter didn't say, 'Well, I just feel Coach Green needs to slow down a bit and get to understand how the players feel', to which many might respond, 'I fully disagree'. Walter said the guy has to go, after the first preseason game, before the first game of the year, with 90% of his offense injured, and after only one draft. That gets you the response he got. Reactionary editorials are responded to in a reactionary manner.

Ahh, but you should attack the IDEA, not the MAN. React all you want, but for people to call him a moron or an idiot, thats wrong. He feels as strongly about that Cards as you do, but did you see him jumping on other people in a personal way? Russ is a great example. When he disagrees with someone he posts why, not a bunch of insults leveled at the poster.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ is a great example. When he disagrees with someone he posts why, not a bunch of insults leveled at the poster.

Up yours moron

Sorry couldn't resist a good setup like that !

that's how I try to post here, if I disagree with someone, I debate their points, not their character, that's my objection to what has happened with Walt. If you don't agree say why, don't just call the guy names.

 

[HIX]

Up yours moron

Alright, that's it, you're sooo off my X-mas card list

 

[Djaughe]

Something to liven things up....

 

[clif]

Well Walter ... hated that we could have discussed some issues... If I would be one of the people that turned your stomach or whatever .I would say that I am sorry but I am not..... I thought that is what a message board is for is to debate the issues and not fight or insult each other. I am a cardinals fan not matter who the head coach is. Peace! you will be back........

 

[HIX]

Nice, but you might want to watch the content. They made me remove my avitar and it wasn't half as nice as that

 

[Redheart]

Something to liven things up....

Now if SHE said "Me or Denny Green"...

 

[Djaughe]

Nice, but you might want to watch the content. They made me remove my avitar and it wasn't half as nice as that

lol...I think the issues might be more related to your sig...everytime I read yer post it causes me to break into epileptic seizures....

 

[WildBB]

I've decided I've had enough...until Dennis Green is gone...I'm gone.

I think your tking the easy way out. I personally like your opinions. I don't agree with them all. But you have a right to express your doubts. I have plenty about Green myself. Especially his humongus EEEEGGGGOOOO. But thats NFL football. You got to be bigger than life in this game. Besides the Cardinal pot needs to be stirred at this point. What do they really have to lose except for that loosing mentality.

Like I posted before, if he gets them to the playoffs in yr two all this will be the past. Unless they start to get drubbed again. Then his ANTICS won't be tollerated, by us or the org.

Your making a big mistake.

 

[AzCards21]

I really don't get your timing Walter. Doesn't a coach at least get one regular season game to prove himself?

 

[Savage58]

Something to liven things up....

Thank you DJ!

YUMM....

 

[binkar]

What a baby. By Walter, just filtering out the unloyal fans.