My Take On The Draft, WOW vs. POW

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1- Patrick Peterson, CB

Every one of these picks except one (Fitz in 2004) were need picks, not PBA. Now some may have been the PBA and a need at the same time however that doesn't dismiss they were still a need.
Peterson wasn't a need pick and was the BPA. We still had DRC.

:edit:...and complaining about drafting for need when we get the BPA is ridiculous.
 
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I don't see them even drafting a WR in any round. Whiz and company are very content with what they have at this position. Especially now that Doucet has been signed.

In all likelihood the first pick will be an Oline player. If they are truly happy with the play of Levi then they will draft for a RT or slide Levi to RT and select a LT. This team has drafted for need in round one for like forever.

2011
1- Patrick Peterson, CB

2010y
1 - Dan Williams, DT

2009
1 - Chris Wells, RB

2008
1 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB

2007
1 - Levi Brown, T

2006
1 - Matt Leinart, QB

2005
1 - Antrel Rolle, DB

2004
1 - Larry Fitzgerald, WR

2003
1 - Bryant Johnson, WR
1 - Calvin Pace, DE

2002
1 - Wendell Bryant, DT

2001
1 - Leonard Davis, T

2000
1 - Thomas Jones, RB

Every one of these picks except one (Fitz in 2004) were need picks, not PBA. Now some may have been the PBA and a need at the same time however that doesn't dismiss they were still a need.

Peterson was by far bpa. But I agree we have mostly drafted for need. Maybe that's why were have so many busts.
 

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All well and good, but what happens if Decastro is off the board? Who do you then take at 13? Rieff will be gone and none of the rest of the group is worth picking at 13.

Rieff might still be there. Apparently a lot of teams have him rated as a guard after finding out how short his arms are.
 

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cardpa said:
Every one of these picks except one (Fitz in 2004) were need picks, not PBA. Now some may have been the PBA and a need at the same time however that doesn't dismiss they were still a need.

Sorry, but are you kidding? Easily one of the dumbest comments I have read on here in quite some time......
 

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Whiz and Grimm are at Stanford's Pro Day tomorrow.

Decastro, Martin
 

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Rieff might still be there. Apparently a lot of teams have him rated as a guard after finding out how short his arms are.

and if the Cardinals are one of those teams, he might be there after #13 as well


I like the concept of this thread



last year, arguably the Cardinals got the best athletic freak in the draft at that spot ( AJ Green, Cam Newton, Von Miller being others) The 49ers got a guy in like that in Aldon Smith at #9.

Who is that player this year? RG3 looks like a candidate.

I think this is where Steven Hill enters the conversation. Size and speed combo is pretty rare. He was an Olympic caliber long jumper in high school. Outstanding blocker. You would have liked a more complete college career in terms of catches , but.... the upside here is Randy Moss. I would take him at #13, needs be damned. Over Floyd, over Wright. Blackmon would be tough, but even over Blackmon. There, I said it.
 

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and if the Cardinals are one of those teams, he might be there after #13 as well


I like the concept of this thread



last year, arguably the Cardinals got the best athletic freak in the draft at that spot ( AJ Green, Cam Newton, Von Miller being others) The 49ers got a guy in like that in Aldon Smith at #9.

Who is that player this year? RG3 looks like a candidate.

I think this is where Steven Hill enters the conversation. Size and speed combo is pretty rare. He was an Olympic caliber long jumper in high school. Outstanding blocker. You would have liked a more complete college career in terms of catches , but.... the upside here is Randy Moss. I would take him at #13, needs be damned. Over Floyd, over Wright. Blackmon would be tough, but even over Blackmon. There, I said it.

Really?? Steven Hill at 13?

Here is where he's ranked by many websites
Draft Countdown -49
Huddle Report -29 (moved up 51 spots after combine)
Pro Football Weekly - 41
Scouts Inc - Not in the top 32
Talk about a reach. I say we take BPA and draft the track stars late in the draft.
 

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I say we take BPA and draft the track stars late in the draft.
This. Is there really any position on this team that we couldn't find a fit for the BPA, regardless of position? A QB wouldn't start but I don't think that Luck, RGIII or Tannehill will be there. Richardson may not get a lot of play at first but we don't have RBs with the greatest health history.
 

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Really?? Steven Hill at 13?

Here is where he's ranked by many websites
Draft Countdown -49
Huddle Report -29 (moved up 51 spots after combine)
Pro Football Weekly - 41
Scouts Inc - Not in the top 32
Talk about a reach. I say we take BPA and draft the track stars late in the draft.

is not justa track star...he has great hands..georgia tech is a run offense.he was targeted not many times but with just 28 catches he was able to have 820 receiving yards..30 yard for catch ...is not just a freak of nature he is a very talented player..after luck and griffin .he is the player with more talent..and we need a wide receiver like him
 
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I think this is where Steven Hill enters the conversation. Size and speed combo is pretty rare. He was an Olympic caliber long jumper in high school. Outstanding blocker. You would have liked a more complete college career in terms of catches , but.... the upside here is Randy Moss. I would take him at #13, needs be damned. Over Floyd, over Wright. Blackmon would be tough, but even over Blackmon. There, I said it.

Now that's a WOW! :stick:
 

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is not justa track star...he has great hands..georgia tech is a run offense.he was targeted not many times but with just 28 catches he was able to have 820 receiving yards..30 yard for catch ...is not just a freak of nature he is a very talented player..after luck and griffin .he is the player with more talent..and we need a wide receiver like him

I don't know. Between him and Floyd, I'd take Floyd. Many scouts have him as a legit #1 wideout. But I see where Hill would fit here. Just not at 13. At 21, sure.
 

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Really?? Steven Hill at 13?

Here is where he's ranked by many websites
Draft Countdown -49
Huddle Report -29 (moved up 51 spots after combine)
Pro Football Weekly - 41
Scouts Inc - Not in the top 32
Talk about a reach. I say we take BPA and draft the track stars late in the draft.
Misleading - Those rankings in many cases were pre-Combine (where he blew up the workout numbers and showed he could catch deep.

That said - he's still somewhat an unproven entity and is unlikely to go before #20 (if even that high).
 
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Two points:
1. Oaken1, you said that Snyder can also play OT so let's select DeCastro. I'd be very happy with DeCastro, but just because Snyder can play OT doesn't mean he's a good OT. The team and Mitch (see SF Treat) thinks he's a VG OG. I'm not sure what they think of him as an OT, but if they do think he'd also be a good OT, then I'm all in on DeCastro.
2. Doc Cardinal, your take is opposite of what the Cards, and most teams, usually espouse. You say need first and then BPA. Not sure if I agree with that.
 

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Two points:
1. Oaken1, you said that Snyder can also play OT so let's select DeCastro. I'd be very happy with DeCastro, but just because Snyder can play OT doesn't mean he's a good OT. The team and Mitch (see SF Treat) thinks he's a VG OG. I'm not sure what they think of him as an OT, but if they do think he'd also be a good OT, then I'm all in on DeCastro.
2. Doc Cardinal, your take is opposite of what the Cards, and most teams, usually espouse. You say need first and then BPA. Not sure if I agree with that.

And that's why our offensive line and QB situation sucks......our QB's get killed since our OL sucks and we never do much about it.....just keep on doin what you always do and you'll always get what we've got on the OL.....suckiness to the max......so let' just get BPA's and no offensive lineman in the draft and have Snyder as our only OL addition......man we're goin to the super bowl.
 

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It baffles me that people(even scouts) want Reiff over Martin. Martin is more athletic, has better feet and more schooled in pass protection. He may not come in and dominate from day 1 but a year in the weight room, and added strength, will make him the best OT in this draft. He's a polished run blocker that will get better with the added strength as well. The guy I compare him to is Ryan Clady. I watch the Big 10 all the time and I didn't even know who Riley Reiff was until about halfway through this year when I saw his name start appearing in mocks. That's how dominant he has been. I knew who Joe Thomas, Gabe Carimi(who Reiff reminds me of), Levi, Gallery, Bulaga, Long, Moffitt, and Adams of course even Tony Pashos all were during their college days. Reiff may be a safer pick, even though I doubt it, but Martin has a much higher ceiling.
 

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And that's why our offensive line and QB situation sucks......our QB's get killed since our OL sucks and we never do much about it.....just keep on doin what you always do and you'll always get what we've got on the OL.....suckiness to the max......so let' just get BPA's and no offensive lineman in the draft and have Snyder as our only OL addition......man we're goin to the super bowl.

See, you want to ignore BPA to take an offensive lineman...and that nets you someone like Levi Brown. That simply doesn't work.
 

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See, you want to ignore BPA to take an offensive lineman...and that nets you someone like Levi Brown. That simply doesn't work.

Having Levi Brown and no offensive line worth a damn doesn't work either.

Let's do stouts plan.....don't draft an OL cause we might F up.....nice plan....you sound like Cardinals management....we're as pleased as punch with our OL so we'll go BPA no matter what....have a nice year if we are stuck with our current OL.
 

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Having Levi Brown and no offensive line worth a damn doesn't work either.

Let's do stouts plan.....don't draft an OL cause we might F up.....nice plan....you sound like Cardinals management....we're as pleased as punch with our OL so we'll go BPA no matter what....have a nice year if we are stuck with our current OL.

All things be relatively equal, I favour meeting a need. But, reaching, particularly in the first round is a recipe for disaster - proven time and time again.
 

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Really?? Steven Hill at 13?

Here is where he's ranked by many websites
Draft Countdown -49
Huddle Report -29 (moved up 51 spots after combine)
Pro Football Weekly - 41
Scouts Inc - Not in the top 32
Talk about a reach. I say we take BPA and draft the track stars late in the draft.

right now -- a variety of mocks have Hill going between 20-31.

So in a perfect world, would it be better to trade down into that range and take him? Sure.

However, those mocks are amateur projections. All we know is that the draft wont really go that way.

I ask you: do you really think the NFL evaluation / drafting process is that precise?

Heck -- just go back and look at the "re -drafts" one year later, and you find players moving 10, 15, 25 spots and it making perfect sense -- in hindsight.

I would argue that players 10-31 might all be in the same general band of talent and it comes down to what you are looking for.
 

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All things be relatively equal, I favour meeting a need. But, reaching, particularly in the first round is a recipe for disaster - proven time and time again.

I don't want to reach either and later round OL's would be fine....but I can promise you that if we don't improve our OL that we will suck beyond belief.
 

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