Nash Wants to Finish Career With Suns

[Magnus]

I think the point of the original poster was to be sarcastic. None of those situations are possible and everyone knows that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

"Had we snuck into the playoffs, we would not have been honest with ourselves about where this franchise is and where we need to go," Suns President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby said. "We're going to find the solutions, but we've got a lot of work to do."

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holy crap... even if they were thinking this... to say it out loud and not realize how incredibly stupid it makes you look is galling.

merely sneaking into the playoffs would have pulled the wool over OUR OWN EYES that there didn't need to be major changes?

we're in for a world of pain for a decade... or until Sarver sells this team folks.

 

[Covert Rain]

holy crap... even if they were thinking this... to say it out loud and not realize how incredibly stupid it makes you look is galling.

merely sneaking into the playoffs would have pulled the wool over OUR OWN EYES that there didn't need to be major changes?

we're in for a world of pain for a decade... or until Sarver sells this team folks.

+1

 

[Cheesebeef]

+1

i have such a horrible feeling that we're going to trade Lopez and our lotto pick for Paul Milsap and then sign Richardson back which will just cement us as the lamest playoff pretender of all time for the next three years.

Atlanta Hawksdom, here we come!

 

[Covert Rain]

i have such a horrible feeling that we're going to trade Lopez and our lotto pick for Paul Milsap and then sign Richardson back which will just cement us as the lamest playoff pretender of all time for the next three years.

Atlanta Hawksdom, here we come!

cheesebeef...don't say that man. I can 100% see that as being a feasible move this offseason.

Though if we could avoid giving up the lotto pick I would be for a move to get Milsap if the Suns insist on keeping Nash. To your point though...you don't give up the lotto pick.

Dude...you just gave me a headache thinking about that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

cheesebeef...don't say that man. I can 100% see that as being a feasible move this offseason.

Though if we could avoid giving up the lotto pick I would be for a move to get Milsap if the Suns insist on keeping Nash. To your point though...you don't give up the lotto pick.

Dude...you just gave me a headache thinking about that.

it's going to happen. and if we WIN the lotto and somehow get a top 3 pick, i can almost GUARANTEE we trade it for "that big piece" to put us back in the swing... that will ultimately do very little for us.

 

[Covert Rain]

it's going to happen. and if we WIN the lotto and somehow get a top 3 pick, i can almost GUARANTEE we trade it for "that big piece" to put us back in the swing... that will ultimately do very little for us.

The sad thing is I can't dispute your logic based on what the front office has done under Sarver's ownership.

Yep....I feel better already.

 

[slinslin]

i have such a horrible feeling that we're going to trade Lopez and our lotto pick for Paul Milsap and then sign Richardson back which will just cement us as the lamest playoff pretender of all time for the next three years.

Atlanta Hawksdom, here we come!

Worse than Atlanta Hawks. At least they have Al Horford.

Pretty sure J-Rich won't come back to a worse team when we can offer him nothing more than the MLE.

So we will probably overpay someone like Afflalo instead and be even worse off.

Trading Lopez would be especially foolish because his value is at all time low, we know he can be much better and obviously there must be reasons for his underachieving this season after looking like a breakout player last year when he started next to Amare and before the back injury.
He is still very very young I think the Suns have to simply be patient with Lopez. It's too early to give up on him especially because he is worth very little right now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Worse than Atlanta Hawks. At least they have Al Horford.

Pretty sure J-Rich won't come back to a worse team when we can offer him nothing more than the MLE.

So we will probably overpay someone like Afflalo instead and be even worse off.

oy... good point.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Worse than Atlanta Hawks. At least they have Al Horford.

Pretty sure J-Rich won't come back to a worse team when we can offer him nothing more than the MLE.

So we will probably overpay someone like Afflalo instead and be even worse off.

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Might as well just go with Childress. Overpaying two marginal players is not better than over paying one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Might as well just go with Childress. Overpaying two marginal players is not better than over paying one.

not to this FO! bring in more over priced wings!

 

[Covert Rain]

not to this FO! bring in more over priced wings!

This front office loves wings.....you can't have enough and if the price is right keep them coming.

You would think this was a bar and grill.

 

[mojorizen7]

This front office loves wings.....you can't have enough and if the price is right keep them coming.

You would think this was a bar and grill.

Boneless wings.

 

[tobiazz]

So we will probably overpay someone like Afflalo instead and be even worse off.

You aren't being pessimistic enough. Maybe they will send away the #13 pick in a S&T for Michael Redd.

 

[sunsfan88]

Trading Lopez would be especially foolish because his value is at all time low, we know he can be much better

No...you "think" he can be much better.

I am pretty sure everyone else agrees that he sucks.

 

[BC867]

Trading Lopez would be especially foolish because his value is at all time low, we know he can be much better.

No...you "think" he can be much better.

I am pretty sure everyone else agrees that he sucks.

I've taken a few minutes and thought back over the Suns past forty years in terms of players whose deficiencies seem to be more mental than physical.

The one I remember is Center Andrew Lang. Although he grabbed rebounds (unlike Lopez who bats them away), Andrew always brought the ball down to around his ankles. How many times did Point Guards and Wings just take the ball away from him.

We were thrilled when he scored a couple of buckets, but he just couldn't grasp the nuances of the rest of the responsibilities of a Center. And when he was in, whether coming off the bench or starting, it made the rest of the team worse.

Was he stubborn, afraid or just plain ignorant? Yes, that question applies to Lopez and well as Lang. And, unlike Lang who was 6'11"-245, Lopez's size is an even more impressive 7'0-255. What a tease!

 

[desertdawg]

I've taken a few minutes and thought back over the Suns past forty years in terms of players whose deficiencies seem to be more mental than physical.

The one I remember is Center Andrew Lang. Although he grabbed rebounds (unlike Lopez who bats them away), Andrew always brought the ball down to around his ankles. How many times did Point Guards and Wings just take the ball away from him.

We were thrilled when he scored a couple of buckets, but he just couldn't grasp the nuances of the rest of the responsibilities of a Center. And when he was in, whether coming off the bench or starting, it made the rest of the team worse.

Was he stubborn, afraid or just plain ignorant? Yes, that question applies to Lopez and well as Lang. And, unlike Lang who was 6'11"-245, Lopez's size is an even more impressive 7'0-255. What a tease!

Well, to truly discuss the mentals on Lopez, you have to go back to his childhood, where I'd imagine Brook was always a little bit better. Think about it, your a huge kid with much game but shadowed by the other twin. Sounds funky but let me get on.

When Robin came to the Suns, he was drafted a little too high. He probably felt the Suns really believed in him. With Stat on the court, (as many here have mentioned) a lot of attention was shifted away from Robin. Lopez started building confidence and even had some big games against big names.

Enter 2011, rotations,trades, everything was pretty messed up this year. No Stat now and Lopez was starting to lose that scrappy edge. Then we trade Edoh! away and we get blessed with Gortat some how. This set Robin back some IMO. He went back to having the better "twin" around and losing his confidence.

I think Lopez can be a good back up center and might even get better (you never know) in the future. I wasn't a huge fan of Frye, I thought he was too streaky and skinny. I've always wanted Carter to come off the bench, since he has no part of our history or future and he sucks mentally. All I'm saying is Lopez gets in his own way, probably loses a lot of fights in his dreams.

 

[sunsfan88]

The main thing that pisses me off about Lopez is that he never jumps. If he could jump when he's trying to dunk/layup/hook shot whatever, he'd be a lot more efficient.

His post game used to be decently consistent but even that has gone.

And rebounding wise ^^^, his brother's not that much better. Just ask Nets fans.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I think Lopez's back injury has been way more cumbersome than anyone wants to admit. He just look like he's lost ALL mobility; not just jumping. I seem to remember him being much more active all around last year.

 

[leclerc]

Best news I heard all week. Steve Nash rules.

"Being the man?" He is as unselfish as they come and a great team player. If management could get us some star material to put beside him then we'll be back in contention in no time.

I'm not impressed by Lopez this year but hang on to him. Dude is young and it takes a while to learn center (and pg). Back injury is no joke either. Worse than having a knee injury.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think Lopez's back injury has been way more cumbersome than anyone wants to admit. He just look like he's lost ALL mobility; not just jumping. I seem to remember him being much more active all around last year.

Look at his double doubles. Look at his rebounding. Even when he looked active, Lopez was one of the worst rebounders overall. His defense wasn't all the great either. His # of games with double digit rebounds says it all.

We drafted him to play defense and rebound. Everybody gets excited when he scores points. However, that has always been the one area the Suns didn't necessarily need help with.

 

[slinslin]

You get all hung up on double doubles Lopez played extremely well at the end of last season next to Amare before the back problems. He averaged like 14/7 for a stretch with some blocks.
He scored 30 on Kaman, something Gortat for example has not done so far in more chances.

Clearly Lopez has talent, who knows why he has been as bad as he has been for most of the season. Maybe his back isn't fully recovered, maybe he struggles without Amare.

We shouldn't give up on him right now while his value is at an all-time low. It wouldn't be easy to find a better backup center anyway. Just keep him around as backup center and if he doesn't return to form let him go when his contract runs out..

 

[Mainstreet]

I've taken a few minutes and thought back over the Suns past forty years in terms of players whose deficiencies seem to be more mental than physical.

The one I remember is Center Andrew Lang. Although he grabbed rebounds (unlike Lopez who bats them away), Andrew always brought the ball down to around his ankles. How many times did Point Guards and Wings just take the ball away from him.

We were thrilled when he scored a couple of buckets, but he just couldn't grasp the nuances of the rest of the responsibilities of a Center. And when he was in, whether coming off the bench or starting, it made the rest of the team worse.

Was he stubborn, afraid or just plain ignorant? Yes, that question applies to Lopez and well as Lang. And, unlike Lang who was 6'11"-245, Lopez's size is an even more impressive 7'0-255. What a tease!

A couple of things about Andrew Lang. Yes, he was a tease but he had a larger frame for a center than Lopez despite the stats. He had a nice build if he had only chosen to be a banger. Also, I cannot remember any center including Lang, who routinely brings the ball down around his ankles on a rebound. Perhaps you were just exaggerating. Anyway, I had higher hopes for Lang who was taken in the second round than I presently do for Lopez. I'm still hoping it is not too late for Lopez but it does not look promising.

Also perhaps you should have thrown Diaw into those players whose deficiencies seem to be more mental than physical.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You get all hung up on double doubles Lopez played extremely well at the end of last season next to Amare before the back problems. He averaged like 14/7 for a stretch with some blocks.
He scored 30 on Kaman, something Gortat for example has not done so far in more chances.

Clearly Lopez has talent, who knows why he has been as bad as he has been for most of the season. Maybe his back isn't fully recovered, maybe he struggles without Amare.

We shouldn't give up on him right now while his value is at an all-time low. It wouldn't be easy to find a better backup center anyway. Just keep him around as backup center and if he doesn't return to form let him go when his contract runs out..

I tend to agree with not giving up on Lopez. We should not dump him just to do so. But if packaging Nash gives us something that makes the team better I am OK with that.

 

[JCSunsfan]

A couple of things about Andrew Lang. Yes, he was a tease but he had a larger frame for a center than Lopez despite the stats. He had a nice build if he had only chosen to be a banger. Also, I cannot remember any center including Lang, who routinely brings the ball down around his ankles on a rebound. Perhaps you were just exaggerating. Anyway, I had higher hopes for Lang who was taken in the second round than I presently do for Lopez. I'm still hoping it is not too late for Lopez but it does not look promising.

Also perhaps you should have thrown Diaw into those players whose deficiencies seem to be more mental than physical.

Strange, my memory of Andrew Lang was much more soft than Lopez. Lopez is leaner and bigger boned. Lang was a bit pudgy.

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