Nash wants to sign a three year contract

[Mainstreet]

According to a Marc Stein ESPN article dated 4-3-12, Nash wants to sign a three year contract this summer with the Suns or another team. I'm thinking Nash will want at least $12M per season with the third year partially guaranteed (say 6M). Only a guess on my part. I believe the Suns will offer such a contract.

Nash, who turned 38 in February, also told ESPN.com in a phone interview before Tuesday night's game in Sacramento he intends to "sign for three more years this summer" and play beyond his 40th birthday when he either inks a new deal to stay with the Suns or finds a new team via free agency.

Responding to a New York Post report in Tuesday's editions which described the condition of Nash's back as "bad as it has ever been," Nash strongly disputed such suggestions. He expressed great satisfaction with the way his health has held up through the rigors of a lockout-compacted schedule that called for 66 regular-season games in a span of about 120 days.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...els-great-intends-sign-three-year-deal-summer

 

[AzStevenCal]

I love what Steve did here for several years. But, the current version of Nash is not worth 12 million per. I hope he goes elsewhere and has a nice finish to his career, splitting his time between the 1 and the 2 for a team that only needs him for about 25 minutes per game.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I love what Steve did here for several years. But, the current version of Nash is not worth 12 million per. I hope he goes elsewhere and has a nice finish to his career, splitting his time between the 1 and the 2 for a team that only needs him for about 25 minutes per game.

Steve

As I said this is only my guess on my. However, I do not think Nash will be giving a discount to the Suns. I understand Nash is making a salary of $11,689,062 this season per an ESPN link.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns

 

[carrrnuttt]

I love what Steve did here for several years. But, the current version of Nash is not worth 12 million per. I hope he goes elsewhere and has a nice finish to his career, splitting his time between the 1 and the 2 for a team that only needs him for about 25 minutes per game.

Steve

Are you talking about the same guy who's managed to lead a lottery team full of misplaced misfits (with the exception of one or two) into a .500 team in the professional league that is the NBA?

If anything, this year he deserves the MVP (emphasis on the 'V') nod MORE than he did those two years.

 

[AzStevenCal]

As I said this is only my guess on my. However, I do not think Nash will be giving a discount to the Suns. I understand Nash is making a salary of $11,689,062 this season per an ESPN link.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns

No, he's made it clear that he won't be giving us a discount. I don't know what he figures he's worth but IMO he's not worth his current contract.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

I love what Steve did here for several years. But, the current version of Nash is not worth 12 million per. I hope he goes elsewhere and has a nice finish to his career, splitting his time between the 1 and the 2 for a team that only needs him for about 25 minutes per game.

Steve

I couldn't agree more. Nash has become a Suns legend, but at some point, the Suns have to move on. I wish he'd just retire, but if he insists on playing for three more years, I hope he does well... somewhere else.

 

[Mainstreet]

No, he's made it clear that he won't be giving us a discount. I don't know what he figures he's worth but IMO he's not worth his current contract.

Steve

Below is a link to the Mavericks roster concerning salaries. Jason Kidd is currently making $10,121,000. I think $10M is near a baseline. I believe Babby and Nash must have discussed this already so their must be a guideline for an agreement or Nash would have wanted to move on.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns

 

[Griffin]

I wish he'd just retire

Why do you wish that he'd retire?

 

[SirStefan32]

Why do you wish that he'd retire?

For a couple of reasons, one of which is purely selfish:

I really want Steve to retire as a Sun. Phoenix is where he started his career, Phoenix is where he won two MVP awards, and I would really love to see him retire here.

He is still one of the best PGs in the league. I think he should retire while he is still an elite player, and not go through the last season or two of his career as a has-been. Something I wish guys like Olajuwon, Pippen, Ewing, etc would have done- retired while they were still great. Watching the Dream struggle to score 10 points and grab 5 rebounds was just painful to watch.
I don't want to watch Nash go through the same thing.

 

[carrrnuttt]

For a couple of reasons, one of which is purely selfish:

I really want Steve to retire as a Sun. Phoenix is where he started his career, Phoenix is where he won two MVP awards, and I would really love to see him retire here.

He is still one of the best PGs in the league. I think he should retire while he is still an elite player, and not go through the last season or two of his career as a has-been. Something I wish guys like Olajuwon, Pippen, Ewing, etc would have done- retired while they were still great. Watching the Dream struggle to score 10 points and grab 5 rebounds was just painful to watch.
I don't want to watch Nash go through the same thing.

You're *assuming* that he'll be a "has-been" in the next couple of years, which according to all the reports from 3 years ago, was supposed to happen this year, or the year before.

Yet here he is:

• Leading the league in assists in what is now a league teeming with good to great PGs
• Averaging more assists-per-game than in his MVP years
• Garnering a better asst-to-TO ratio than in his MVP years
• Playing less minutes than in his MVP years
• While playing at a MUCH slower pace than he ever did in his MVP years

I don't think anyone on this planet knows his body more than Steve Nash does. If he feels he has it in him to play at this level for another 2-3 years, don't blame me if I believe him.

 

[SirStefan32]

You're *assuming* that he'll be a "has-been" in the next couple of years, which according to all the reports from 3 years ago, was supposed to happen this year, or the year before.

Yet here he is:

• Leading the league in assists in what is now a league teeming with good to great PGs
• Averaging more assists-per-game than in his MVP years
• Garnering a better asst-to-TO ratio than in his MVP years
• Playing less minutes than in his MVP years
• While playing at a MUCH slower pace than he ever did in his MVP years

I don't think anyone on this planet knows his body more than Steve Nash does. If he feels he has it in him to play at this level for another 2-3 years, don't blame me if I believe him.

I don't blame you. You are welcome to believe him. I am amazed that he is still able to perform at this level. He is doing a GREAT job, and I am sure he knows his body well.

I wish him all the best- I hope he averages 25 points and 15 assists a game and wins a title each of the next three years. I just think it's time for us to rebuild, and a 38 year old player just does not fit into that plan.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You're *assuming* that he'll be a "has-been" in the next couple of years, which according to all the reports from 3 years ago, was supposed to happen this year, or the year before.

Yet here he is:

• Leading the league in assists in what is now a league teeming with good to great PGs
• Averaging more assists-per-game than in his MVP years
• Garnering a better asst-to-TO ratio than in his MVP years
• Playing less minutes than in his MVP years
• While playing at a MUCH slower pace than he ever did in his MVP years

you forgot to mention that his scoring has gone from 16.5 to 14.8 to 12.7... yes, he's still shooting as well (although not from 3), but on a team where it NEEDS him to score the last couple years, he's started to fall off there. He'll always be able to dish the rock, but to garner a 12 million dollar salary, you've got to do more than that and for whatever reason, it's indisputable that he's slid in the scoring department, and for a guy who can't play very good D, to become so one dimensional as pretty much a sole passer, that's too much scratch IMO... and definitely for a team that's as pathetic as ours.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I wish him all the best- I hope he averages 25 points and 15 assists a game and wins a title each of the next three years. I just think it's time for us to rebuild, and a 38 year old player just does not fit into that plan.

I don't disagree with this entirely. I just don't think we need to knock Nash on the way out...or back in.

With that being said, age (with Nash), seems to be just a number. If he can play like this, I don't care if he's 50. I mean, how many here prior to Gortat would have jumped at the chance to sign even a retired Olajuwon?

 

[AzStevenCal]

You're *assuming* that he'll be a "has-been" in the next couple of years, which according to all the reports from 3 years ago, was supposed to happen this year, or the year before.

Yet here he is:

• Leading the league in assists in what is now a league teeming with good to great PGs
• Averaging more assists-per-game than in his MVP years
• Garnering a better asst-to-TO ratio than in his MVP years
• Playing less minutes than in his MVP years
• While playing at a MUCH slower pace than he ever did in his MVP years

I don't think anyone on this planet knows his body more than Steve Nash does. If he feels he has it in him to play at this level for another 2-3 years, don't blame me if I believe him.

Maybe has-been is a bit harsh but assists notwithstanding, he's a shadow of the player he was in his back to back years. I think he's fallen off a bit in each of the past 3 years and I see no reason to not expect that trend to continue. He could still be a tremendous asset for the right team but I don't think we're that team. It's time to move on.

Steve

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Sure, Nash knows his body feels good now. But he is not psychic and does not know what his body will be like down the road, especially years 2 or 3 of the contract. After the Amare experience, I don't see Sarver giving Nash gauranteed money after Year 1.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Nash here another 3 years and retire here. But the salary shouldn't defeat our efforts to build a better team and should recognize that he will be hitting the big 40 and could be taking on a lesser role at some point. So years 2 and 3 should be heavily incentive oriented in my view.

 

[Mainstreet]

you forgot to mention that his scoring has gone from 16.5 to 14.8 to 12.7... yes, he's still shooting as well (although not from 3), but on a team where it NEEDS him to score the last couple years, he's started to fall off there. He'll always be able to dish the rock, but to garner a 12 million dollar salary, you've got to do more than that and for whatever reason, it's indisputable that he's slid in the scoring department, and for a guy who can't play very good D, to become so one dimensional as pretty much a sole passer, that's too much scratch IMO... and definitely for a team that's as pathetic as ours.

In the ESPN article Nash talks about his lower scoring and attributes much of it to being on a team with no scorer proficient enough to create his own shot. IMO, this would be true of last season as well.

"Maybe I could be more aggressive looking for my shot, but every team we play traps me (frequently) or (jumps) out hard at me on the pick-and-roll," Nash said. "So my thinking is, 'Get it out of my hands as fast as possible and it's four on three or three on two for my teammates.' It seems to be working. We've been playing a lot better (since the All-Star break). I'm not just going to be forcing up shots to improve my numbers."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...eels-great-intends-sign-three-year-deal-summe

 

[carrrnuttt]

you forgot to mention that his scoring has gone from 16.5 to 14.8 to 12.7... yes, he's still shooting as well (although not from 3), but on a team where it NEEDS him to score the last couple years, he's started to fall off there. He'll always be able to dish the rock, but to garner a 12 million dollar salary, you've got to do more than that and for whatever reason, it's indisputable that he's slid in the scoring department, and for a guy who can't play very good D, to become so one dimensional as pretty much a sole passer, that's too much scratch IMO... and definitely for a team that's as pathetic as ours.

I was going to mention the fact that there is really no one to draw heat away from Nash, so he is even more heavily-guarded than ever, especially with the pace that the team is playing at this year (less easy baskets), but I see that Mainstreet has already quoted the man himself saying as much.

 

[mojorizen7]

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[sunsfan88]

I'm ok with bringing back Nash for another 3 years but only if that's not the only move we do.

If we go and out and sign some impact FAs, draft well and make a few trades if needed to improve the roster, then I have no problem Nash leading a young team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In the ESPN article Nash talks about his lower scoring and attributes much of it to being on a team with no scorer proficient enough to create his own shot. IMO, this would be true of last season as well.

sorry... but that just shows that he's more limited now. And he had pretty much the same drek with him this season as last and his scoring has continued to dip.

 

[Budden]

Let me see if I can follow the logic of this thread. First we've decided on a projected salary by coming up with a number that we don't think Steve Nash is worth, and then we've discussed all of the reasons that we are mad that Steve Nash should get this amount of money.

If we're making up salary numbers so that we can then say he's not worth it, why are we using $12 million? Why not $35 million per season?

Because if the Suns sign Nash for $35 million per season, I think they will be making a big mistake! I mean, that would mean he'd be the highest paid player in the league when he's 41 years old!

Am I the only one who is outraged by the Suns' front-office decision making in this made-up scenario? Also, I'm a bit disappointed that pretend future Steve Nash demanded such an astronomical amount of pretend money!

 

[hcsilla]

I have no problem with giving a guaranteed 3rd year for Steve Nash if it means that he gives a discount for the 1st two years of his contract.

 

[slinslin]

Keeping Nash for 3 more years will keep us on the same path we have been on the last 4 years which is missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 times and still not having a single top 12 pick.

 

[mojorizen7]

Keeping Nash for 3 more years will keep us on the same path we have been on the last 4 years which is missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 times and still not having a single top 12 pick.

Not only that,we'll be running the same offense...which means that our personnel will still be geared and wired to suck from the teet of Nash...which leaves this roster with crap when Nash finally does leave.

The last time Nash re-up'd was a questionable decision...at this point,this would be unfathomably ignorant...unless Nash was strictly given a strong supporting role that didn't dictate the offense and allowed for a youth movement which gave the youngsters the freedom to lead.

 

[Ninjafish]

Keeping Nash for 3 more years will keep us on the same path we have been on the last 4 years which is missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 times and still not having a single top 12 pick.

Nash isn't what's keeping them from missing the playoffs 3 out of 4 times. Front Office stupidity and inability to put a good cast around Nash is why they're on the path they are on. There's no excuse for why the bench is so bad. Don't the Suns starters have one of the top in the +/- stat in the league?

Anyway, Nash is passing as well as he's ever passed and shooting as well as he's ever shot and amazingly I've never seen him better on defense. I say definitely sign him for as long as he wants to be here.