Navarre's Development Coming Along Quickly

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In just two preseason showings, seventh-round draft pick quarterback John Navarre doesn’t look like a rookie. Instead, he appears like a well-poised veteran quarterback. On his first play ever in an NFL game, the Minnesota Vikings welcomed the rookie out of Michigan with a 4-yard sack. Navarre was sacked again on that drive, but Navarre remained unshaken, and was three of three on the drive and moved his unit across midfield into Vikings territory.

“You have to take it in stride,” said Navarre of the rocky start. “As a quarterback, you have to be able to handle adversity. Those things are going to happen and you have to bounce back from it. As a team, we were able to bounce back that series and move the ball and we have to learn from it.”

Navarre explains that the better grasp you have of the offense, the more able you are to stay relaxed and pressure-free, even when defensive linemen are swarming around you like a pack of buzzards.

“To be poised and calm you have to know what you are doing and if you are confident in what you are doing, things are going to slow down for you,” said Navarre. “You’ll be able to work the offense and move the football and so you just have to say, and I learned that throughout my career at Michigan and I’m taking that with me in my NFL career.”

Navarre was basically overlooked in the NFL Draft, but Head Coach Dennis Green was looking for players who came from strong programs and who wouldn’t require a lengthy time to develop. Green often notes other successful NFL quarterbacks out of Michigan: Tom Brady, Brian Griese, and Elvis Grbac, and firmly believes Navarre can join those ranks.

“I think it is a tradition and a history of the program,” commented the latest star quarterback to come out of Michigan. “There is an expectation from the quarterback position, no matter who you are or where you are from, you are expected to do a job and you learn that from day one and you have to be able to adjust and play Michigan football and if not, you are out. You learn to be mentally tough, learn how to run and offense, and learn how to play well.”

During his career at Michigan, Navarre set six all-time passing records and seven single-season marks, but for most of his career, he was also the quarterback who lost to Ohio State his sophomore and junior seasons, an atrocity to Michigan fans. Navarre persevered and won most of his critics over by throwing for 278 yards and two touchdowns to beat the Buckeyes in his final season.

Navarre is used to the naysayers, but he says he has nothing to prove to those who overlooked him in the draft.

“Even at Michigan, people always asked me that,” responded Navarre. “The only thing I have to prove anything to is myself. My main goal was to get my foot in the door and get an opportunity. Whether it came as a seventh-round draft pick or signing with a team as an undrafted free agent, I was just hoping to get an opportunity. My opportunity is here and I’m going to make the best of it and do what I can.”

Since his arrival to Arizona, he’s spent hours pouring over his playbook, picking the brains of quarterbacks Josh McCown and Shaun King, and evaluating his play in the film-room harsher than most critics.

“I evaluate myself each week to see if I’m doing the right thing,” stated Navarre. “I know if I’m making the right decisions and going the right place with the ball. I want to keep progressing, I’ve got a long way to go and I’ve got to get a lot better.”

Navarre may need to get a lot better to become an NFL starting quarterback one day, but for a rookie, he’s not making many mistakes. In two games he is 12/13 for 168 yards and connected with receiver Reggie Newhouse for the Cardinals only touchdown this preseason. Although the play came with 33 seconds left in a beating by the San Diego Chargers, Navarre showed the kind of heart Green expects in a competitor.

“It was a good feeling because we executed the play the way we were supposed to,” shared Navarre. “Reggie and I have been connecting throughout practice and that was a good feeling, but obviously we lost the game and we want to get better and we want to win.”

Chrissy Mauck, azcardinals.com

http://www.azcardinals.com/press/pressdetails.php?sid=2142
 

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Ya know, I might be dreaming, but I have a question for the old time Card fans. Does Navarre remind you somewhat of Jim Hart? Kind of slow of foot, but with a great arm?
 

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40yearfan said:
Ya know, I might be dreaming, but I have a question for the old time Card fans. Does Navarre remind you somewhat of Jim Hart? Kind of slow of foot, but with a great arm?

Not yet, Hart was the qb when we set the 14 game record for fewest sacks allowed, I think it was 8.

8 might take Navarre less than 2 games to reach at his current level. He has talent, the size and the arm are unmistakable, he was a highly recruited guy, but scouts all saw all the sacks and wondered if he would ever be able to get past that problem.

I wasn't very high on him out of college, but so far he's doing quite well I have to admit.
 

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azdad1978 said:
Since his arrival to Arizona, he’s spent hours pouring over his playbook, picking the brains of quarterbacks Josh McCown and Shaun King, and evaluating his play in the film-room harsher than most critics.

“I evaluate myself each week to see if I’m doing the right thing,” stated Navarre. “I know if I’m making the right decisions and going the right place with the ball. I want to keep progressing, I’ve got a long way to go and I’ve got to get a lot better.”

AZDad:

For those who still may be wondering why John Navarre moved ahead of Preston Parsons on the depth chart--and made Parsons expendable--so quickly, I'll bet this is part of the story. Poor study and practice habits were common criticisms of Parsons during his stint with the Cardinals. Doesn't sound like those are problems with Navarre. :thumbup:

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Russ Smith said:
Not yet, Hart was the qb when we set the 14 game record for fewest sacks allowed, I think it was 8.
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That's right Russ, but remember the guys we had on the Oline back then? You couldn't get a Sherman tank through that group. Hart used to have time during the play to go to the bench and talk to the coach about which WR to throw to. :D
 

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i've always liked navarre and was shocked when he was available to us in the 7th. stoked we picked him up. i too think he may be our qb of the future (but i'm hopin' he's our frank reichenbach - IOW, mccown keeps him as a the best backup in the league for years).
 

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40yearfan said:
That's right Russ, but remember the guys we had on the Oline back then? You couldn't get a Sherman tank through that group. Hart used to have time during the play to go to the bench and talk to the coach about which WR to throw to. :D


Pretty sure it was Dierdorf, Finnie, Banks, Dobler and Bob Young that set that record but I may be off. Hart was REALLY good at avoiding sacks, I think that was pre in the grasp. He couldn't run a lick but made the first guy miss and was strong so he didn't go down easily.

I haven't seen too many QBs as clever as Hart in the pocket. Navarre has a stronger arm than Hart IMHO, just not the same feet.
 

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40yearfan said:
That's right Russ, but remember the guys we had on the Oline back then? You couldn't get a Sherman tank through that group. Hart used to have time during the play to go to the bench and talk to the coach about which WR to throw to. :D


And our present OL resembles that OL in what fashion? :D
 

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Can "feet" be taught.......seriously guys, can a QB learn how to move his feet or is it "you either have it or you don't"?
 

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Jim Hart was a really, really good QB. He is one of my favorite all-time Cards!

Navarre is really a different type of QB IMO, bigger, stronger arm, totally a pocket passer. Jimmy was a very, very intelligent QB with a good arm (I think Navarre's is a bit better) and, while not a scrambler, had nifty feet and could do that slide up into the pocket deal that Josh seems to have such a hard time doing. I just loved watching Jim Hart throw the ball downfield. Not too bad for an undrafted FA (I believe he was anyway) eh?
 

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Can "feet" be taught.......seriously guys, can a QB learn how to move his feet or is it "you either have it or you don't"?

I think it can be taught to a certain extent but it really depends on the "instinct" of the QB to know exactly when he needs to do it. That "sixth sense" to "feel" the pressure and step up to avoid it. That part is a have it or don't equation IMO.
 

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aahhh. an area of my expertise.....

Some things can be "taught" such as footwork in "setting up to pass", but in general "podiatial dexterity" is an innate skill that is a combination of awareness and control of one's own body, innate reaction time, etc.

If you're genetically slow, you're genetically slow. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, in that respect.

Occasionally a person may have those innate abilities and just didn't know how to properly utilize them...but that's a very, very, very rare occurance, at best.

No coach in the world, no matter how great, is going to turn John Navarre into a Fran Tarkenton or Roger Staubauch.
 

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A three toed sloth on valium moves better than John Navarre.

I am reminded of Chris Greissen. People just loved him although he was terrible from day 1.

Maybe Navarre will prove me wrong but I don't think that slow an athlete can play in today's NFL.
 

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Quick release

According to Dierdorf, the main credit for the low sack totals was Jim Hart's quick release. He has yet to see any QB with a faster release. From what I remember of the last game, Navarre had more of a wind up like Graham than a quick release.
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
i've always liked navarre and was shocked when he was available to us in the 7th. stoked we picked him up. i too think he may be our qb of the future (but i'm hopin' he's our frank reichenbach - IOW, mccown keeps him as a the best backup in the league for years).
sorry, best backup ever was Steve Young ;)
 

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Skkorpion said:
A three toed sloth on valium moves better than John Navarre.

I am reminded of Chris Greissen. People just loved him although he was terrible from day 1.

Maybe Navarre will prove me wrong but I don't think that slow an athlete can play in today's NFL.
This might be somewhat far-fetched, but I feel Navarre compensates for how slow footed he is by how instinctive he is...

There are some NFL QBs out there who are extremely quick physically, but cannot think on their feet (pun intended).....The only reasons they're forced to run in most cases is that they werent quick enough (mentally) to scan all their targets effectively to begin with....

I have been on the "Navarre Bandwagon" since his days at U of Michigan and was touting him on this message board as early as last November.... I was so elated and shocked that the Cardinals selected him in the 7th round because I thought he wouldnt last beyond the 5th round....He's very poised and exhibits all the necessary attributes of a leader.....

I obviously don't want him starting w/in the next 2-3 years since I'm really pulling for McCown to prove his worth/keep....Otherwise, I am very confident that Navarre would arise to any challenge that is presented to him....
 

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Tangodnzr said:
And our present OL resembles that OL in what fashion? :D


No kidding. If our present Oline gets better, Navarre's sack total should go down. He is big and strong and hopefully will learn to shake the first guy loose to complete his throw.

BTW, I am not advocating starting this guy. He just reminds me of Hart for some reason.
 

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40yearfan said:
Ya know, I might be dreaming, but I have a question for the old time Card fans. Does Navarre remind you somewhat of Jim Hart? Kind of slow of foot, but with a great arm?


Just what I was thinking. Jim had a great offensive line and if we could do that for Navarre - you never know.
 

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This might be somewhat far-fetched, but I feel Navarre compensates for how slow footed he is by how instinctive he is...

There are some NFL QBs out there who are extremely quick physically, but cannot think on their feet (pun intended).....The only reasons they're forced to run in most cases is that they werent quick enough (mentally) to scan all their targets effectively to begin with....

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Here's the problem with that, Michigan traditionally has a great OL, his wasn't as good as Henson's but very good his last 2 years at Michigan.

He got sacked only 23 times last year, but consider the opponents, of those 23 sacks:

9 came against USC in one game
4 against Oregon
3 against Iowa
3 against Purdue

The only good defense he faced last year that didn't sack him at least 3 times was Ohio State. USC just killed him, I would submit USC was the closest thing to an NFL defense he's ever seen.

So his college sack numbers look pretty good, until you stop and see who they came against. Navarre in that respect is similar to Chris Simms, the win over Minnesota last year was the first time he beat a ranked team on the road in his career. In the big games until Ohio State last year, Michigan often lost with Navarre.

Now again, I too had him as a potential sleeper and I think he was a steal in round 7, but comparing him to Hart right now is just iffy. Behind THIS OL, he'd get killed.

in 2-3 years as you said, he may very well be competing for a starting job, I hope not because in my mind that would mean McCown failed.

Navarre does certaing things really well, others not so well, he had a bad reputation at Michigan for killer mistakes that turned ballgames. He avoided that last year, and so far in the preseason his numbers look great.

I don't dislike the guy but I do see the comparison to Parsons and Griessen, the #3 QB here has been popular for a long time, it's just something we seem to do as football fans. Last year in SF it was Ken Dorsey, this year it's Cody Pickett, fans are always convinced the #3 guy is the QB of the future.
 

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KLL said:
This might be somewhat far-fetched, but I feel Navarre compensates for how slow footed he is by how instinctive he is...
Maybe he's instinctive in the sense that he's studied the offense well enough to know the routes and options, or studied the defense well enought to know when an where the opportunties will present themselves; but from what I've seen, Navarre's weakness seesms to be his "instinctive" pocket presence.

Plenty of slow-footed QBs have been successful in the NFL, but they had incredible pocket awareness. They seem to sense when and where the pressure is coming from and are able to adjust. I haven't seen that from Navarre in college nor so far in the NFL (granted it's early).

I'm very impressed with him thus far, though. If he can learn to sense pressure before it's there, the kid's future is bright, IMO. I'm just not sure that's something you can learn at this stage of the game--I think by now you either have it or you don't.
 

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Skkorpion said:
A three toed sloth on valium moves better than John Navarre.

I am reminded of Chris Greissen. People just loved him although he was terrible from day 1.

Maybe Navarre will prove me wrong but I don't think that slow an athlete can play in today's NFL.


On the contrary the running QB has been in fasion so long that the pocket QB will string togetehr a few superbowls because all defenses are geared for running QB's.

Rotations like this happen every few years at several positions.
 

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On the contrary the running QB has been in fasion so long that the pocket QB will string togetehr a few superbowls because all defenses are geared for running QB's.
pocket QBs win superbowls. anyone want to show me the last team even IN the superbowl with a 'running' quarterback? not just a good scrambler, but one that would take off w/o a 2nd thought?

McNair was there in 2000... but lost... who else?
 

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Russ,

Excellent research and your take is right on. While everyone else keeps looking at arm strength and 40 yard dashes, QBs are all about the intangibles like pocket presence, intelligence, poise and accuracy. If Navarre was that bad at it against college defenses, it's unlikely it will show up at a later date. A Bill Belicheck defense would have a field day against Navarre.

Plenty of slow-footed QBs have been successful in the NFL, but they had incredible pocket awareness. They seem to sense when and where the pressure is coming from and are able to adjust. I haven't seen that from Navarre in college nor so far in the NFL (granted it's early).....I'm just not sure that's something you can learn at this stage of the game--I think by now you either have it or you don't.
Bingo. It's an instinct, not a learned skill.
On the contrary the running QB has been in fasion so long that the pocket QB will string togetehr a few superbowls because all defenses are geared for running QB's.
You've drawn a false conclusion. While it is true that defenses have gotten personnel and schemes which emphasize containment when playing against a Vick or McNabb, a "pocket QB" will always win the Super Bowl because a team without a very good passing QB will not be able to win in the playoffs.

The concept of "mobile QBs" and "non-mobile QBs" by itself is a fallacy. They are not mutually exclusive. No QB will be successful unless he is accomplished in the pocket. The trend towards athletic QBs came about because it's nice to have the extra weapon, a guy who can make something out of nothing or improvise when a play breaks down instead of always throwing the ball away.

Steve Young is a perfect example. He was a terrible QB, who was mobile, until he learned to play in the pocket. Once he became a great passer, the running ability was just icing on the cake.
 

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pocket QBs win superbowls. anyone want to show me the last team even IN the superbowl with a 'running' quarterback? not just a good scrambler, but one that would take off w/o a 2nd thought?

Rich Gannon?


I think Navarre could end up being our starting QB in the future not because McCown failed but because he wants to sign a very expensive new contract. Green is great at finding Qb's if we can always get a Qb on the cheap we can spend more money on the other players...
 

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