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NBA draft picks trade rumors
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mojorizen7
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You're right. No praise. No grief. Maybe teams should just abolish GM's altogether and the owners can throw darts at a big board on draft day.
Look, I still can't stand the Suns system in terms of basketball culture and the type of players they seem to both covet and also dismiss in order to fit into it, but i think McD has drafted fairly well the last few years. It remains to be seen how this rebuild pans out.
As usual i'm not optimistic because the 50 and fade track record is there, but i'm interested in where this is going.
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You're right. No praise. No grief. Maybe teams should just abolish GM's altogether and the owners can throw darts at a big board on draft day.
Look, I still can't stand the Suns system in terms of basketball culture and the type of players they seem to both covet and also dismiss in order to fit into it, but i think McD has drafted fairly well the last few years. It remains to be seen how this rebuild pans out.
As usual i'm not optimistic because the 50 and fade track record is there, but i'm interested in where this is going.
We all have to hang in there. The past is the past. I have regained confidence in the direction of the Suns after the hire of McDonough. Now the the Suns need a key piece to fall into place.
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Lucky on the good picks. A bum on any bad pick. It's the loser's argument. "You just got lucky."You're right. No praise. No grief. Maybe teams should just abolish GM's altogether and the owners can throw darts at a big board on draft day.
Look, I still can't stand the Suns system in terms of basketball culture and the type of players they seem to both covet and also dismiss in order to fit into it, but i think McD has drafted fairly well the last few years. It remains to be seen how this rebuild pans out.
As usual i'm not optimistic because the 50 and fade track record is there, but i'm interested in where this is going.
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The roster is always on the GM. Its not fair to blame them for the players that don't pan out but call it luck when Booker blows up. They get all the blame AND all the credit. The end.
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Knicks, Nets interested in Blazers' draft picks
3 mins ago – via Sporting News
Portland owns the No. 15, 20 and 26 picks in this draft, and several teams are eager to get into that mix. The Knicks have inquired about some combination of the Blazers’ picks, a source said, and those talks are ongoing. New York has the eighth pick and could trade down for a combination of picks, though the preference for the Knicks is to keep their pick and add one of Portland’s.
http://hoopshype.com/storyline/trail-blazers-front-office/
3 mins ago – via Sporting News
Portland owns the No. 15, 20 and 26 picks in this draft, and several teams are eager to get into that mix. The Knicks have inquired about some combination of the Blazers’ picks, a source said, and those talks are ongoing. New York has the eighth pick and could trade down for a combination of picks, though the preference for the Knicks is to keep their pick and add one of Portland’s.
http://hoopshype.com/storyline/trail-blazers-front-office/
Has anyone else sold 1st round picks for cash besides us?
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2009 Lakers sold their 1st round pick to the Knicks.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/26/sports/sp-lakers-nba-draft26
http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4285133
Interesting. It's Portland that needs cap relief right?
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Yes.
If Sarver actually bought a pick for once, I would honestly take back all the nasty things I have said about him.
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I'm pretty sure we have bought a pick or two in the Sarver era although I don't know if we bought any 1st round picks. Maybe someone can help me out here but I'm thinking the 2nd round pick that became Dragic?
Edit: I did a little research and couldn't find evidence that we bought a pick outright but it looks like we used cash and a future second rounder to acquire the Goran Dragic pick.
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GatorAZ
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I've been looking back to those summers of 04/05/06'. It's sheer lunacy.
Trading #7 in 2004 to the Bulls when Luol Deng or Andre Iguodala would've been a great fit on the wing plus they would've been much cheaper than signing Q. With the money saved by not signing Richardson they could've easily given JJ what he wanted; 6 years, 50m.
The next year they also sell their 2nd rd pick to Orlando which was Marcin Gortat.
In 06' they sell #21 to Boston which was Rajon Rondo.
So they could've had Andre Iguodala starting at SF next to JJ and Gortat/Rondo coming off the bench making less than 2m a year.
Rudy Fernandez flamed out but I think he would've been pretty good as a backup SG on those teams. They sold that pick during the 07' draft.
And of course dumping two picks with Kurt Thomas. One of them ended up being Serge Ibaka in 2008.
Not saying those exact players would've been picked anyway but they ended up being:
Luol Deng
Nate Robinson
Marcin Gortat
Rajon Rondo
Rudy Fernandez
Quincy Pondexter
Serge Ibaka
Instead our bench ended up being guys like Steven Hunter, Jim Jackson, Marcus Banks, James Jones and Pat Burke.
Trading #7 in 2004 to the Bulls when Luol Deng or Andre Iguodala would've been a great fit on the wing plus they would've been much cheaper than signing Q. With the money saved by not signing Richardson they could've easily given JJ what he wanted; 6 years, 50m.
The next year they also sell their 2nd rd pick to Orlando which was Marcin Gortat.
In 06' they sell #21 to Boston which was Rajon Rondo.
So they could've had Andre Iguodala starting at SF next to JJ and Gortat/Rondo coming off the bench making less than 2m a year.
Rudy Fernandez flamed out but I think he would've been pretty good as a backup SG on those teams. They sold that pick during the 07' draft.
And of course dumping two picks with Kurt Thomas. One of them ended up being Serge Ibaka in 2008.
Not saying those exact players would've been picked anyway but they ended up being:
Luol Deng
Nate Robinson
Marcin Gortat
Rajon Rondo
Rudy Fernandez
Quincy Pondexter
Serge Ibaka
Instead our bench ended up being guys like Steven Hunter, Jim Jackson, Marcus Banks, James Jones and Pat Burke.
3rdside
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Jim Jackson was pretty good for us from memory but yeah, what was sarver thinking.
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The team was in win now mode and made some shortsighted decisions. The reasoning was that we had our stars, we only needed role player veterans to go along with them. Contrary to what most think, it wasn't Sarver being cheap. In fact, rookies would have been far less expensive. The Thomas trade was certainly about money though and that one was a real killer for the franchise and it's fans.
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He was being cheap. If it wasn't about finances they would've kept the picks and still signed guys like Jackson, Hunter and Jones for the minimum. They sold them for cash considerations and future picks (which eventually were sold as well).
Not saying I don't understand what he was thinking. They were already in L-Tax area and even cheap rookies would end up multiplying the payroll.
It all comes back to not paying JJ because it led to overpaying Q.
3rdside
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The #7 was stupidity, KT cheap...not great descriptive words for an owner.
I kind of understood the former but everyone was high on Deng so it didn't make great sense especially considering the garbage we got back, but the KT trade was just idiocy. I loved that guy on this team.
Whatever happened to Tim Thomas, I thought we off loaded him for a bag of peanuts as well when we didn't need to?
I kind of understood the former but everyone was high on Deng so it didn't make great sense especially considering the garbage we got back, but the KT trade was just idiocy. I loved that guy on this team.
Whatever happened to Tim Thomas, I thought we off loaded him for a bag of peanuts as well when we didn't need to?
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Signed with the Clippers in that off season.
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Part of the problem was D'Antoni refusing to play people outside of his 7 player rotation. Sure, selling picks was short-sighted, but you have to look at it within the context of the head coach who refused to expend his rotation and if I remember correctly, flat-out said it wasn't his job to develop rookies.
3rdside
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He signed a multi year deal right? Couldn't we have offered? He was mega that one playoff year.
Or maybe that's why he was mega, because it was a contract year and he'd got a reputation of playing for one so we - correctly - baulked...That kind of sounds familiar.
Or maybe that's why he was mega, because it was a contract year and he'd got a reputation of playing for one so we - correctly - baulked...That kind of sounds familiar.
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GatorAZ
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Financially they could only keep 2/3 of Diaw, Barbosa and Thomas.
Of course they should've drafted Rondo for themselves and not signed Banks to be the backup PG.
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No, he wasn't. Instead of packing the bench with very low salaried players, they went after the more expensive mid-tier veterans. We consistently had one of the highest payrolls at that time. He didn't ignore the financials of each move but no owner in the league does that. I don't see a "cheap" move until we dump Thomas.
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Rondo was a handful for a quality coach and a locker room controlled by highly respected and vocal leaders. He would have run wild with our group. We shouldn't have just sold off or given away those picks, but Rondo wasn't the right pick for us except as a possible trade away option later on.
