NBA draft picks trade rumors

[GatorAZ]

Part of the problem was D'Antoni refusing to play people outside of his 7 player rotation. Sure, selling picks was short-sighted, but you have to look at it within the context of the head coach who refused to expend his rotation and if I remember correctly, flat-out said it wasn't his job to develop rookies.

D'Antoni didn't have the opportunity to develop draft picks unless you count one season of Earl Clark. Had the Suns drafted and kept the good players he would've played them (Iggy, Gortat, Rondo etc...).

It comes back to management. I think Bryan was sick of the cost cutting moves and knew he wanted out. How many GM's switch teams mid season?

 

[AzStevenCal]

D'Antoni didn't have the opportunity to develop draft picks unless you count one season of Earl Clark. Had the Suns drafted and kept the good players he would've played them (Iggy, Gortat, Rondo etc...).

It comes back to management. I think Bryan was sick of the cost cutting moves and knew he wanted out. How many GM's switch teams mid season?

Mike didn't help his case when he publicly stated that it wasn't his job to develop rookies. And mentioning Bryan brings up an actual problem with Sarver at that time that as far as we know continued until just a couple of years ago (if it's stopped at all). I disagree that he was ever a cheap owner when it comes to building a team but there's no question he's been cheap when it comes to all the other positions within the organization.

 

[3rdside]

Financially they could only keep 2/3 of Diaw, Barbosa and Thomas.

Of course they should've drafted Rondo for themselves and not signed Banks to be the backup PG.

Banks was horrendous. I remember reading a story this year I think it was, maybe on this board or somewhere else, that Banks just wasn't interested in practicing from the moment he signed with us.

I always wonder how, if you're trying to build a successful club, you don't find out these things first.

 

[GatorAZ]

No, he wasn't. Instead of packing the bench with very low salaried players, they went after the more expensive mid-tier veterans. We consistently had one of the highest payrolls at that time. He didn't ignore the financials of each move but no owner in the league does that. I don't see a "cheap" move until we dump Thomas.

Steven Hunter, Jim Jackson, Eddie House and James Jones were all making less than the #7 pick so I don't buy that. Not exactly expensive mid-tier veterans.

Only Raja Bell was making over 3m and he was at 4.2 mil prior to the 07' season.

 

[GatorAZ]

Rondo was a handful for a quality coach and a locker room controlled by highly respected and vocal leaders. He would have run wild with our group. We shouldn't have just sold off or given away those picks, but Rondo wasn't the right pick for us except as a possible trade away option later on.

Mike was standing in as GM at that time so I have no idea who was scouting or what. It was probably a mess in the front office.

With Bryan Colangelo's decent reputation in the draft I'm guessing he wanted to make those picks in the 04' and 05' drafts but was overruled leading to him wanting out.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Mike was standing in as GM at that time so I have no idea who was scouting or what. It was probably a mess in the front office.

With Bryan Colangelo's decent reputation in the draft I'm guessing he wanted to make those picks in the 04' and 05' drafts but was overruled leading to him wanting out.

I hadn't thought the move was all that voluntary?

 

[devilalum]

If Sarver actually bought a pick for once, I would honestly take back all the nasty things I have said about him.

The Suns don't need another pick.
Unless they're trying to set a record for number of players under the age of 21.


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[AzStevenCal]

Steven Hunter, Jim Jackson, Eddie House and James Jones were all making less than the #7 pick so I don't buy that. Not exactly expensive mid-tier veterans.

Only Raja Bell was making over 3m and he was at 4.2 mil prior to the 07' season.

Is there some reason to believe we traded that pick strictly for money reasons. I thought we were not expecting our guy to be there when we made the deal?

Just because they make a bad deal doesn't mean they are being cheap. And just because finances enter the picture, also doesn't mean they are being cheap. They only have so much salary to work with and AFAIC if Sarver was just being cheap we wouldn't have had one of the highest team payrolls every season.

 

[GatorAZ]

I hadn't thought the move was all that voluntary?

He wanted the Toronto job more apparently...

From Wiki-

Shortly after the Raptors fired Rob Babcock in January 2006, rumors began swirling that the team was pursuing Colangelo despite the Raptors' claims that they were initiating an "exhaustive" search for a new GM.

On February 27, 2006, Colangelo resigned from his position with the Suns, and on February 28, 2006, the Raptors announced him as their new President and GM.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Suns don't need another pick.

I agree but it would be nice to have a second pick in the top 15 or so. I'd be willing to trade both our 2's and the Miami pick (with added protections) to make that happen. I'm also okay with the possibility of moving Eric for a top 10 pick, at which point I would hope we looked to trade away our second rounders. Two more young rookies is about all we can handle IMO.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He wanted the Toronto job more apparently...

From Wiki-

Yeah, I remember how it happened, I just seem to remember that there was more going on. IIRC, he was very low paid and didn't think he was getting fair treatment after winning the Executive of the Year award.

When Sarver denied his request to re-do his deal, Bryan became disillusioned. Then when Toronto asked permission to interview him everyone was shocked that Sarver okayed it while the season was going on. Bryan took that as "writing on the wall" and jumped at a fresh start with an organization willing to pay him a competitive salary.

I think Sarver was pissed at the time that Bryan left, he felt with Jerry still involved that Bryan would at least finish the season. I doubt he had any intention of keeping Bryan passed that deal anyway given the disparity between what he wanted to pay and what BC was asking for.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Is there some reason to believe we traded that pick strictly for money reasons. I thought we were not expecting our guy to be there when we made the deal?

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Well then that's a stupid strategy. Hold onto the pick and if he's actually not there THEN trade the pick. But if he is and you already traded the pick because you guessed wrong, well, you're dumb (and they were WAAAAY dumb).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, I remember how it happened, I just seem to remember that there was more going on. IIRC, he was very low paid and didn't think he was getting fair treatment after winning the Executive of the Year award.

When Sarver denied his request to re-do his deal, Bryan became disillusioned. Then when Toronto asked permission to interview him everyone was shocked that Sarver okayed it while the season was going on. Bryan took that as "writing on the wall" and jumped at a fresh start with an organization willing to pay him a competitive salary.

I think Sarver was pissed at the time that Bryan left, he felt with Jerry still involved that Bryan would at least finish the season. I doubt he had any intention of keeping Bryan passed that deal anyway given the disparity between what he wanted to pay and what BC was asking for.

CHEAP!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Is there some reason to believe we traded that pick strictly for money reasons. I thought we were not expecting our guy to be there when we made the deal?

Just because they make a bad deal doesn't mean they are being cheap. And just because finances enter the picture, also doesn't mean they are being cheap. They only have so much salary to work with and AFAIC if Sarver was just being cheap we wouldn't have had one of the highest team payrolls every season.

They wanted Iggy and were absolutely dumbfounded when he was still there--which shows absolute draft incompetence on the Suns part at that moment. I believe DAntoni was running the show at the moment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well then that's a stupid strategy. Hold onto the pick and if he's actually not there THEN trade the pick. But if he is and you already traded the pick because you guessed wrong, well, you're dumb (and they were WAAAAY dumb).

Absolutely. It was stupid to trade away that pick so soon.

 

[AzStevenCal]

CHEAP!

He was very cheap when it came to coaches, general managers and staff throughout the organization. He was convinced, and maybe still is, that they are routine jobs that don't need celebrity kind of dollars.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well then that's a stupid strategy. Hold onto the pick and if he's actually not there THEN trade the pick. But if he is and you already traded the pick because you guessed wrong, well, you're dumb (and they were WAAAAY dumb).

No argument there. And unless there was a high priority player in the next class they should have just made the best pick regardless of who was left. Trading out of a draft without a specific goal in mind is very shortsighted IMO. And we made a lot of decisions like that during Sarver's first decade, regardless of who the GM was at the time.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The roster is always on the GM. Its not fair to blame them for the players that don't pan out but call it luck when Booker blows up. They get all the blame AND all the credit. The end.

This. Also it may be so that McD didn't know just how good Booker was going to be, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't expecting more than what everyone else seemed to think he was when drafted. Most people thought he was just going to be a good off ball shooter (kind of like Korver or something to that effect). It isn't far fetched to think that McD may have seen some of his scoring abilities with the ball in his hands from watching highschool footage or during pre-draft workouts.

 

[Hoop Head]

D'Antoni didn't have the opportunity to develop draft picks unless you count one season of Earl Clark. Had the Suns drafted and kept the good players he would've played them (Iggy, Gortat, Rondo etc...).

It comes back to management. I think Bryan was sick of the cost cutting moves and knew he wanted out. How many GM's switch teams mid season?

Like the cost cutting move of dumping an expiring Gugliotta with 2 first round picks the year before they sold? One of those picks was Gordan Haywood. Everyone bashes Sarver for the KT trade but in the last season under the Colangelo's they made a trade that was worse because Gug's was expiring and it was all to avoid the luxury tax.

 

[Errntknght]

I hope McD is working hard to get us another draft pick in upper end of the lottery where there are some bigs that are interesting. The latest one to catch my eye is John Collins from Wake Forest. I think people are discounting him because he's a sophomore. But he's younger than a lot of freshman - he won't turn 20 until Sept 23rd. He's got the highest PER rating of anyone in the draft and the highest scoring rate - 27.9/40 plus the second highest rebounding rate at 14+/40. He's 6'9 or 6'10 depending on where you read it, 235 lbs. Heck, he might still be growing. 2 Pt FG 62.0%. Good shooter from midrange in with a variety of scoring moves down low - jump hooks, turn around jumper and spins.
His jump hook is quick and I was impressed how well he used quick head fakes to get his man airborne then ducked under for a layin. In an interview with the Pacers he said he wasn't shooting 3's in games because he not good at it yet, but that's what he is working on. 75% from the line which suggests he might hit 3's at good rate eventually.

I went looking for a rim protector and Jordan Bell seemed to be the best of them though he's not tall enough, IMO. Collins didn't fill that role - he moves fluidly and he's active on defense but he's fallen in love with blocking shots, with the usual result - he commits lots of fouls. At his age it's not surprising but defense is going to require a lot of learning. He's got the motor already now he needs to learn how to channel it.
If he gets to the point of being an average defender, his ability to score and rebound will make him a first rate small ball center.

He's currently listed at around 18 in mocks but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go several picks earlier.

 

[Raze]

I hope McD is working hard to get us another draft pick in upper end of the lottery where there are some bigs that are interesting. The latest one to catch my eye is John Collins from Wake Forest. I think people are discounting him because he's a sophomore. But he's younger than a lot of freshman - he won't turn 20 until Sept 23rd. He's got the highest PER rating of anyone in the draft and the highest scoring rate - 27.9/40 plus the second highest rebounding rate at 14+/40. He's 6'9 or 6'10 depending on where you read it, 235 lbs. Heck, he might still be growing. 2 Pt FG 62.0%. Good shooter from midrange in with a variety of scoring moves down low - jump hooks, turn around jumper and spins.
His jump hook is quick and I was impressed how well he used quick head fakes to get his man airborne then ducked under for a layin. In an interview with the Pacers he said he wasn't shooting 3's in games because he not good at it yet, but that's what he is working on. 75% from the line which suggests he might hit 3's at good rate eventually.

I went looking for a rim protector and Jordan Bell seemed to be the best of them though he's not tall enough, IMO. Collins didn't fill that role - he moves fluidly and he's active on defense but he's fallen in love with blocking shots, with the usual result - he commits lots of fouls. At his age it's not surprising but defense is going to require a lot of learning. He's got the motor already now he needs to learn how to channel it.
If he gets to the point of being an average defender, his ability to score and rebound will make him a first rate small ball center.

He's currently listed at around 18 in mocks but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go several picks earlier.

I'd be all for another pick in the top 15.

I also like John Collins. He's a very productive player. He's a lunch pail kind of guy. At the worst, I see him as a good bench player for a number of years.

I really like Zach Collins. An interesting mix of Pau and Kevin McHale. I like that he can face the basket and put up a good looking shot. I absolutely love that he can put his back to the basket and go left or right. His potential in the low post is intriguing. Most importantly he plays both ends well. His per 40 numbers look very promising. Plus, he's an actual Center. I thought they were extinct.

I'd rather have Zach at #10 then I would Lauri at #5.

 

[Hoop Head]

I posted about it in the Lonzo Ball thread but there is a chance he slips past the Lakers unless he has a great workout. It's also reported that they're fielding offers for Jordan Clarkson, which is surprising because if they go point guard in the draft you'd think they'd have Russell on the trade block. Clarkson fits better if they draft either Ball or Fox, with the rest of their young core of Ingram, Randle, and Zubac. Jackson could play SG for them though, with his ball handling and with how NBA wings are becoming either SF/SG or SF/PF types.

They could play Ball or Fox with Russell but I don't think that is a sure enough thing for them to move Clarkson. Who knows what they're doing. I don't think Magic will be their GM for long though.

https://clutchpoints.com/report-lakers-actively-seeking-trade-offers-jordan-clarkson/


Here is the link to the article about them possibly passing on Ball.

https://clutchpoints.com/report-growing-sense-lonzo-ball-may-not-lakers-guy-unless-great-workout/


That could throw everything the Suns are planning out of whack, especially if they take Jackson. Philly would probably take Ball but they may hold with whoever their choice also, assuming they don't think Lonzo will fall to them. That would leave the BPA for the Suns as Fox, who I like but unless we can trade Bledsoe to get back into the lottery for another pick I wouldn't be happy leaving draft night with another overloaded PG rotation.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think this has been mentioned but the Blazers are willing to trade a pick for cap relief, which we could offer. They have the #15, #20, and #26 picks in the first round.

Both the Knicks and Nets have been linked to them already but the Suns could make a play also, the Blazers are about $12 million over the luxury tax threshold. They have a few awful contracts on their books, like Allan Crabbe who is owed 56.4 million over the next 3 years, Evan Turner who is owed 54 million over the next 3 years and both Meyers Lenard and Mo Harkless are due around 32 million a piece over the next 3 years. They spent very poorly last offseason and have the 2nd highest payroll in the league now, which is a lot for an 8th seed and they need to free up money to extend Nurkic. Here is a link to the rumor...

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/new...ess-meyers-leonard/1tr94zzdk6tn513s4w6jy9nju4


Leonard is the only player who I'd be interested in. He's one of the players they're looking to move since they don't need him after acquiring Nurkic at the deadline, who will be a restricted free agent next summer if he's not extended. They also have Festus Ezeli, Ed Davis, and Noah Vonleh under contract for less and/or shorter deals than Leonard which is why they want to move him. His contract has 3 years and $32 million left on it, which is about what we signed Dudley for and I bet Len gets offered more from someone in free agency, he'd probably ask for more than that from us anyways. In Portland, Leonard would never be more than a backup with Nurkic there also. Nurkic was a surprise and pushed them into the postseason.

I would gladly take their lowest pick, #26, in exchange for the 2nd rounders we got from Toronto to absorb his contract. I doubt they'd give up a higher pick since Crabbe and Turner make much more, they'd need those to sweeten the pot for any takers. If it meant we'd let Len walk, I would take him without one of their picks this year though. He's 7'1" and can shoot the 3 well, 35% last season and 37% over the last 3 seasons. Plus he can play both Power Forward or Center. He's only 1 year older than Len but he also has 1 year more experience in the league, and some brief playoff experience. He'll be 25 next season and 27 when his contract expires.

He averaged 5.4 ppg with 3.2 rpg but that was only in 16.5 minutes a game but he shot 35% from 3 last year on 3 attempts per game, 37% over the last 3 years on 2.9 attempts. He'd give us a legit 7'1" Center who could spread the floor, which would help open up everything offensively. Len, Chandler, and Williams all need to be within 10 feet of the basket to provide any offense, which can clog the lane for Bledsoe, Ulis, or Knight when driving. We haven't had a Center who could spread the floor and draw out the opposing bigs, which we haven't had since Frye, who also shot 37% his final year here. I think he could learn under Chandler, while Tyson is still here, which should help with his rebounding.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leoname01.html

 

[overseascardfan]

Gambo was mentioning PHX is intrigued by Zach Collins who will be long gone by #32 so either PHX trades down or they acquire a second mid round pick if they are really interested.

 

[iRobot]

Gambo was mentioning PHX is intrigued by Zach Collins who will be long gone by #32 so either PHX trades down or they acquire a second mid round pick if they are really interested.

Yeah, I was making this connection back at the end of March Madness. Really feel like we're gonna make a move to try to grab a C prospect and either let Len walk or hope we can get Len for less than what he may get as an RFA