NBA Finals Cleveland vs Golden State

[devilalum]

You really think NBA refs care about anything Lue says? I don't think even players listen to him, much less the refs.

Nobody ever pays any attention to assistant coaches.

 

[Covert Rain]

Not just Lue, Lebron talking about green and physical play, no fines by the way for the king, just suspend green for a game and allow the hackathon to continue on Curry and Clay and presto the Cavs are back in it lol. Whatever if you guys think it's being called fairly not sure what games your watching, just keep your eyes on Curry for a few straight possessions the guy is on the floor getting knocked around and held all day and not getting calls its crazy! You can't brush Lebrons freaking jersey or he gets an and 1 but you can knock Curry around all day and nothing.

I think we all are watching a different game than you. There were bad calls for sure but nothing that would have made up for all the bad play GSW threw out there. PGs by nature take a beating because they are the shrimps on the floor. Blaming the refs for that game is a cop out. I picked GSW to win this series. I still think they will but OMG on the games they have lost? They had nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not just Lue, Lebron talking about green and physical play, no fines by the way for the king, just suspend green for a game and allow the hackathon to continue on Curry and Clay and presto the Cavs are back in it lol. Whatever if you guys think it's being called fairly not sure what games your watching, just keep your eyes on Curry for a few straight possessions the guy is on the floor getting knocked around and held all day and not getting calls its crazy! You can't brush Lebrons freaking jersey or he gets an and 1 but you can knock Curry around all day and nothing.

Oh I'm not saying Curry doesn't get fouled without a call, but it's been that way all playoffs. there was a play in the first half last night wehre they ran a pin down for Curry. He came from under the basket to foul line extended. At the start of his cut Kyrie grabbed him, then he grabbed his jersey, and then Love tripped him so that he actually was falling down as he got to the foul line. No call and they passed to Klay who missed a shot. It's been that way all series, even before LeBron complained.

Should that be a foul yes but Curry benefits from it too. he's very "grabby" on defense himself.

 

[Covert Rain]

Should that be a foul yes but Curry benefits from it too. he's very "grabby" on defense himself.

This. I started noticing that during the Thunder series that he grabs much on picks and slashes away from the ball. I had not noticed that before. He definitely gets the benefit the other way too.

 

[Bert]

Not just Lue, Lebron talking about green and physical play, no fines by the way for the king, just suspend green for a game and allow the hackathon to continue on Curry and Clay and presto the Cavs are back in it lol. Whatever if you guys think it's being called fairly not sure what games your watching, just keep your eyes on Curry for a few straight possessions the guy is on the floor getting knocked around and held all day and not getting calls its crazy! You can't brush Lebrons freaking jersey or he gets an and 1 but you can knock Curry around all day and nothing.

Exactly. But fefore we get into that, how bout we discuss the fact that these finals will have taken 18 freaking days to play. God the NBA is a terrible product.

I have zero dogs in this fight, couldn't care less who wins actually. I used to love basketball but the NBA is so weak now. The game yesterday was a total farce and anyone who cant see that is obviously clouded by either love for cleveland or hate for GSW.

Stop watching the ball and looking at the stat sheet, watch the game people. Watch off the ball. On every single posession the Cavs are literally grabbing and holding people all over the court. I mean seriously, there was a play in the first half where Lebron literally lowered his head and his shoulder, plowed over 2 guys in his path, knocked them both to the ground and they called the foul on the GSW. Not to mention him and Kyrie constantly pushing off with their off hand. They showed a replay where Curry was trying to dart out for a 3 and Irving grabbed his Jersey (ala Pittsburgh vs Arizona) and held him all the way. They showed the replay, guess how many announcers called him out for it? You guessed it, 0. Because in the playoffs that's not cheating, that's a "heady playoff defensive posession."

ROFL, what a complete joke. What it was is that the finals ratings were dipping, people had zero interest in this series, and so the NBA gave the refs their marching orders which was; do whatever you can to get this thing to game 7 ON FATHERS DAY!

It's a shame, because the last 2 games the Cavs have played brilliantly offensively. Irving is finally looking like a legitimate sidekick to Lebron. The finals shouldn't be tainted like this, I think they could have taken these last two games legitimately, but hey it's the NBA, the place where officiating scandals get swept under the rug like dust bunnies.

Like others have said, just call the game consistently and let the players decide it. That gray hair official who threw Curry out, you could just tell by that dudes expression that he was LOVING every second of that game. I cannot stand officials who want the spotlight on them. The game is not about you! He was front and center getting lots of screen time, being the big strong man who stood up to Curry. Dude was just walking around smirking the whole last couple of minutes of the game and kept jawing with Kerr. He LOVED that crap. Re watch game 6 and tell me that Thompson and Curry aren't being held 9 times out of 10 down the floor. You can see bruises up and down Thompsons arms for crying out loud.

They keep praising the Cavs defense, but watch what's going on off the ball. It's not defense, it's in effect, cheating that the refs are encouraging.

This is why basketball is the biggest joke of a pro sport to me. You have the regular season rules, then you have playoff rules. Suddenly in the playoffs you get to grab, hold, pull, twist, especially if you are a superstar. And then if anyone criticizes the disparity in calls between the regular season and the playoffs you get the moronic defense of "this is playoff basketball."

Please show me in the official NBA rulebook where it says that there are two sets of fouls for playoffs and regular season. Then again, this is a league that completely embraces the fact that it's superstars "get the calls" like that's totally acceptable.

It happens in every sport, but it is completely exaggerated in the NBA.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well I do have skin in the game. $50 dollar bet with my good friend who is a Cavs fan. So, I am cheering for GSW. Blaming it on the refs is still a bunch of bunk. I will be cheering all the way for GSW or I am going to be $50 down for Father's Day.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Congratulations to the ten people who predicted a seven-game series in the poll. I was not one of them.

I was one of them. If warriors win I'm a genius.

 

[Errntknght]

I was one of them. If warriors win I'm a genius.

Me, too... a couple of games back we looked like idiots and we will again if Cavs win it...

 

[Dude]

I think we all are watching a different game than you. There were bad calls for sure but nothing that would have made up for all the bad play GSW threw out there. PGs by nature take a beating because they are the shrimps on the floor. Blaming the refs for that game is a cop out. I picked GSW to win this series. I still think they will but OMG on the games they have lost? They had nobody to blame but themselves.

This.

Even the dang ref lifted his leg to show Curry he stuck his leg out on the 3. No foul Curry go earn it and stop crying you have the better team.

 

[nashman]

Bert wow an honest pair of eyes that can actually see the garbage that is being allowed. Lebron had two great games the last two but I can't help to think him being slowed to bulldoze people and get and 1s instead of charging greatly helps that! Seriously it's a joke that he can do that and also create space with his off arm like a battering ram. I'm more impressed with kyrie at least he shoots shots and makes them Lebron gets lay ups and cheap fouls to get his points, sorry I'm not that impressed the majority of his points were layups and dunks which for him eh that that impressive considering most NBA players can layup and dunk the ball. Funny that his two best offensive performances has come the last two games where the refs have swallowed their whistles on him lol, total garbage!

 

[nashman]

Way to pick one call Dude, don't point out any of the other 50 occasions where Curry was fouled lol.

 

[Dude]

Way to pick one call Dude, don't point out any of the other 50 occasions where Curry was fouled lol.

Their wasn't 50 occasions IMO. I watched the game with a group of people not one said anything about GS getting hosed. I never thought it would be a story line or is but this thread. Plus that no call in his mind got in his head. It took him out of his game for awhile. Cleveland was better last night end of story.

 

[TJ]

Not just Lue, Lebron talking about green and physical play, no fines by the way for the king, just suspend green for a game

Why does this keep getting brought up? Green got suspended because his flagrant foul of hitting LeBron in the nuts triggered an automatic one-game suspension. Had he not thrown Michael Beasley to the ground in round 1 or karate kicked Adams in the balls, we're not talking about a Draymond suspension in Game 5.

Green's a known hothead and will continue to be monitored as such until he learns to chill TF out.

 

[Covert Rain]

Bert wow an honest pair of eyes that can actually see the garbage that is being allowed. Lebron had two great games the last two but I can't help to think him being slowed to bulldoze people and get and 1s instead of charging greatly helps that! Seriously it's a joke that he can do that and also create space with his off arm like a battering ram. I'm more impressed with kyrie at least he shoots shots and makes them Lebron gets lay ups and cheap fouls to get his points, sorry I'm not that impressed the majority of his points were layups and dunks which for him eh that that impressive considering most NBA players can layup and dunk the ball. Funny that his two best offensive performances has come the last two games where the refs have swallowed their whistles on him lol, total garbage!

Honest pair of eyes? According to who? You? So nobody else can have an honest pair of eyes? It has nothing to do with honesty. It's your opinion and perception of what is going on. It doesn't mean you are right. Most of us see the losses by GSW on their play and execution more than anything else. Sorry you can't see that.

Why does this keep getting brought up? Green got suspended because his flagrant foul of hitting LeBron in the nuts triggered an automatic one-game suspension. Had he not thrown Michael Beasley to the ground in round 1 or karate kicked Adams in the balls, we're not talking about a Draymond suspension in Game 5.

Green's a known hothead and will continue to be monitored as such until he learns to chill TF out.

+1. How about Green keep himself in check and stop being a knucklehead. It's not like he was suspended because of one act. He has accumulated a bunch of knucklehead moments. Green's suspension is on Green.

 

[Russ Smith]

This.

Even the dang ref lifted his leg to show Curry he stuck his leg out on the 3. No foul Curry go earn it and stop crying you have the better team.

That one bothered me too. Not because Curry tried to draw the foul but because he was so demonstrative. It's a boy who cried wolf thing you complain about a call that was clearly correct enough times, you won't get the close ones.

In the first half he fouled Thompson and complained, got ran over by LeBron and correctly complained when called on him. he fouled Kyrie from behind on a screen and complained. He also got a charge on LeBron where it was a clear walk first, even Lue on the bench was motioning for a walk not wanting LeBron to get a foul.

That's why his reactio to the 6th foul worries me refs get sick of complaining about calls and when you show them up, you might regret it.

 

[Bert]

Bert wow an honest pair of eyes that can actually see the garbage that is being allowed. Lebron had two great games the last two but I can't help to think him being slowed to bulldoze people and get and 1s instead of charging greatly helps that! Seriously it's a joke that he can do that and also create space with his off arm like a battering ram. I'm more impressed with kyrie at least he shoots shots and makes them Lebron gets lay ups and cheap fouls to get his points, sorry I'm not that impressed the majority of his points were layups and dunks which for him eh that that impressive considering most NBA players can layup and dunk the ball. Funny that his two best offensive performances has come the last two games where the refs have swallowed their whistles on him lol, total garbage!

Well for people to understand what we are saying they would have to start watching off the ball, which some people are just unwilling to do because that's not where the action is. I honestly dont mean that in an insulting way. People are constantly talking about watching in the trenches in football, and I can do it, but I have to really force myself to not follow the ball sometimes. It's just natural for that to be difficult.

I myself wasn't even noticing it all that much until my buddy text me: Watch Thompson off the ball, the dude is ripping his arm off. Sure enough, after 5 mins of watching Thomson get absolutely mauled, I found myself really disliking the NBA again, and also like Dude just brought up about the ref gesturing to curry emphatically, the Refs in this sport take every opportunity to showboat, be super expressive and emphatic with their calls against the visiting team. And I have also noticed that the more questionable the call, the more expressive the refs are as if to say; I know I was wrong but DONT ARGUE WITH ME cuz I can still throw you out!! lol it's pretty funny.

For me it's not even a big deal. The Cavs were down 3-1, the finals were boring as hell and the ratings were dipping majorly. Then suddenly, magically we got a bunch of questionable officiating, a suspension, a player tossed for the first time in his career and a normally low key coach like Kerr getting fined, all of it adds up to 2 things:

Lebron (by far the biggest star in the NBA) getting a chance to shine and avoid the stigma of losing all the finals he's lost. Great storyline, the king refuses to surrender!!!

We also get a game 7 on fathers day. Ratings gold.

It's not like they are directed to give the game to cleveland, but the NBA is smart enough to know how they can even a series up, so the marching orders are probably something like; Let's loosen up the calls inside off the ball.

These are the marching orders that lots of ex officials have admitted to being given. There's no controversy because it's not a direct: Keep the Cavs in it! Order, it's just guidance given to the officials that the powers that be know will favor one team over the other.

Now that it's being discussed at length on every sports network,, who wants to bet how many fouls away from the ball are called in the first half of game 7? There will be tons, right off the bat. As if to say; See! We're calling it! lol. It happens so much in the NBA it's just funny. Like when a call differential is drastic at halftime and then by the end of the game it mysteriously evens up because they call a bunch of irrelevant fouls at the end of the game.

Which is hilarious and if people had half a brain they would say, wait, why did you make a point to call that in this game if there was no issue with how the previous games are called?

I seriously think the NBA is the most fake of all the major sports in terms of how the league plays a part in the outcomes of games. And thats an opinion of watching games with my own eyes for 30+ years and seeing the same thing play out in playoffs after playoffs.

This is why I want robots calling balls and strikes, sensors on goal lines and sidelines, basically anywhere technology can be seamlessly integrated into a game to improve the integrity, why wouldn't we do that? Officials aren't perfect, but that shouldn't be part of the game, that's an unfortunate side effect of not having better options. In basketball, I dont know what you can do. The refs will probably always have to be human judgement based, and those guys are always going to be influenced by the momentum of the game, the crowd noise, and personal opinions of the players.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why does this keep getting brought up? Green got suspended because his flagrant foul of hitting LeBron in the nuts triggered an automatic one-game suspension. Had he not thrown Michael Beasley to the ground in round 1 or karate kicked Adams in the balls, we're not talking about a Draymond suspension in Game 5.

Green's a known hothead and will continue to be monitored as such until he learns to chill TF out.

The only disagreement I have there is his throwdown of Beasley was actually less violent than LJB's throw down of Green. Green got a flagrant after the game, James didn't.

I have no issue with the suspension of Green, I just think LeBron should have gotten a flagrant when he did the same thing.

 

[Covert Rain]

The only disagreement I have there is his throwdown of Beasley was actually less violent than LJB's throw down of Green. Green got a flagrant after the game, James didn't.

I have no issue with the suspension of Green, I just think LeBron should have gotten a flagrant when he did the same thing.

See....now that IMO is a fair observation. That's way different than the "I can look at this or have the ability to look at this game how it really played out verses you" mentality.

 

[TJ]

The only disagreement I have there is his throwdown of Beasley was actually less violent than LJB's throw down of Green. Green got a flagrant after the game, James didn't.



I have no issue with the suspension of Green, I just think LeBron should have gotten a flagrant when he did the same thing.

I didn't bring up James, and while he could've gotten a flagrant, he's not a repeat offender like Green, which is the only reason we're discussing Green at length.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well, I did pick the Cavs in 7. We will see.

 

[nashman]

I did make the point James simply is allowed to do more and not get called for it. The lame T after the game so it can't affect anything is a joke. The guy can run you over and you get called for the foul it's just nonsense.

 

[Bert]

I did make the point James simply is allowed to do more and not get called for it. The lame T after the game so it can't affect anything is a joke. The guy can run you over and you get called for the foul it's just nonsense.

Yep, but when they go over the stat sheet trying to defend the officials they will point to that meaningless T on Lebron and say; See! We were calling it even! lol Such a joke.

 

[Mainstreet]

I did make the point James simply is allowed to do more and not get called for it. The lame T after the game so it can't affect anything is a joke. The guy can run you over and you get called for the foul it's just nonsense.

When Lebron blocked a Curry shot he did a lot of talking. I believe Curry had fallen down. I don't know what he was saying but he was clearly talking a lot of smack. Lebron should have been called for taunting but nothing was called.

I know there has been a lot of talking back and forth between players but at some point the referees need to call it. This whole series seems to be controlled by the referees no-calls.

 

[nashman]

Exactly main street it's very easy for the officials to steer the course of a game with calls and no calls. The game clearly wasn't steered straight IMO when you Ticky tack Curry to the bench early and then toss the MVP on some totally bogus call with over 4 minutes left of a winnable game, not to mention its game 6 of the finals a possible close out game and you toss Curry lol total hose job. You know the way Curry was shooting and klay was heating up that this could have been very interesting end and possibly over but the refs made sure that didn't happen, it's a complete joke. You think for one second that they would foul Lebron out of a game 6 in the finals with minutes left like that....never in a million years!

 

[Ronin]

Monte Poole ‏@MontePooleCSN 23m23 minutes ago
Steve Kerr says Andre Iguodala (back) went thru film session. Treatment. No practice. Progressing well and expects to play Game 7.