NBA Finals Cleveland vs Golden State

[Russ Smith]

Are posts coming up out of order to anybody else? I keep readign all the posts then replying and then finding posts I havent' seen that are now before my new post.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All there is to it if they are half the team you say they are.

Splash brothers go what 17 and 14? What all time great team doesn't win that up 3-1. Turnovers, bad shots, bad lineups and a 3 ball only team going cold is what went wrong. Do think the 72 and 10 MJ team gets beat like this under the exact same circumstances?

Add:
A 73 and 9 team went 7 and 7 the last 14 games.

Refs?

I wouldn't say "refs" but I would say what we, as Suns fans, learned the hard way for years . . . finesse teams struggle in the post season because post season games are called a different way. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a fact. The nba didn't rig this. They didn't rig the Spurs wins over the Suns. This is just post season basketbrawl.

 

[JCSunsfan]

GSW had three chances (two at home) to win the title the past three games and blew it. That's not on the refs, that's on GSW. A 73-win team got too comfortable and a little full of itself after Game 4 and Cleveland gut punched them. I firmly believe that the charades from Klay, Draymond, Speights, and, to a lesser extent, Ayesha Curry, really struck a nerve with Cleveland. That, and Lue finding out the beauty of defensive rotations.

The NBA isn't rigged. The officiating is inconsistent, I'll give you that. But until either of the New York teams can produce a team worth watching, I can't/won't even come close to buying it.

Things that lost the GSW the title.

1. Draymond's nut shots. That's on them.
2. Steph isn't right. I think he is still dealing with the ankle. That's the breaks. No sympathy from a Suns fan about injuries.
3. Inability to match size because of Bogut injury. See above.
4. Iggy isn't full strength. He was a difference maker last year. See above.
5. LeBron would not be denied. He was by far the best player on the court.
6. Kyrie grew up.

None of it was reffing.

OH. And I predicted the Cavs in 7. I am not right that often, so I am going to enjoy this a little.

 

[leclerc]

Congratulations to Cleveland.

If someone is questioning the officiating I hope they crunch the numbers and go through tapes and do a proper study before accusing the league.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Congratulations to Cleveland.

If someone is questioning the officiating I hope they crunch the numbers and go through tapes and do a proper study before accusing the league.

Me too. I have seen alot worse officiating than that in the playoffs. There were some Laker/Sacramento series' where the Kings got outright jobbed.

 

[Covert Rain]

Things that lost the GSW the title.

1. Draymond's nut shots. That's on them.
2. Steph isn't right. I think he is still dealing with the ankle. That's the breaks. No sympathy from a Suns fan about injuries.
3. Inability to match size because of Bogut injury. See above.
4. Iggy isn't full strength. He was a difference maker last year. See above.
5. LeBron would not be denied. He was by far the best player on the court.
6. Kyrie grew up.

None of it was reffing.

OH. And I predicted the Cavs in 7. I am not right that often, so I am going to enjoy this a little.

Good post JC. There were SO many factors why GSW didn't win the series and bad calls was such a minor part. I was cheering for GSW and was ready to throw something at the TV time and time again for STUPID decisions. Stupid shots, dumb turnovers, really bad shots, and horrible defensive decisions.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lol if you think the officials had nothing to do with the outcome of this finals... I'm done honestly if you think GS all of a sudden became a bad team then I'm not sure what your watching. Did Cleveland get in their head maybe because they beat them up and were Allowed to, that if anything was what was in their head. GS earned their way to the finals thru tougher teams than Cleveland, while Cleveland coasted thru crap ass teams. Then a well rested untested Cavs team was able to beat on them until they had a gimpy igudala, no green for a game, no bogut but sure it was just bad luck and shots not falling that caused GS to lose. Like I said believe what you want many saw the ridiculous crap that was going on. So you prob think if James was ejected by a bogus call tonight with 4 minutes left Cleveland could have won right? Oh wait that was a different screw job against GS but sure this whole series was totally officiated fairly lol what a joke! Whatever let Cleveland revel in their BS title, GS got shafted in multiple games to make it happen maybe it's all just coincidence...

Your rant about curry being "thrown out" at end of game six is so ridiculous. He was tossed AFTER HE FOULED OUT on an INCREDIBLY stupid gamble swipe with 5 fouls. Curry has got to be a smarter player than that. He took a stupid gamble with 5 fouls. He's and idiot for that.

And yes, the refs did have an impact. They ALWAYS have an impact. Their jobs are incredibly subjective and it's virtually impossible for them to ref completely evenly unless they are making obvious make-up calls which would have everyone screaming even more loudly. One side or another (virtually always the losing side) ******* about the refs. Coincidence? No. Conspiracy? No. Just sports. And it always gets more physical in playoffs. If you can't handle it, don't watch. But whining is getting tiresome.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Your rant about curry being "thrown out" at end of game six is so ridiculous. He was tossed AFTER HE FOULED OUT on an INCREDIBLY stupid gamble swipe with 5 fouls. Curry has got to be a smarter player than that. He took a stupid gamble with 5 fouls. He's and idiot for that.

And yes, the refs did have an impact. They ALWAYS have an impact. Their jobs are incredibly subjective and it's virtually impossible for them to ref completely evenly unless they are making obvious make-up calls which would have everyone screaming even more loudly. One side or another (virtually always the losing side) ******* about the refs. Coincidence? No. Conspiracy? No. Just sports. And it always gets more physical in playoffs. If you can't handle it, don't watch. But whining is getting tiresome.

I think that is a fair way to put it. Yes, the refs made an impact, but no more than is typical in the NBA given the difficulty of the job.

 

[Russ Smith]

Things that lost the GSW the title.

1. Draymond's nut shots. That's on them.
2. Steph isn't right. I think he is still dealing with the ankle. That's the breaks. No sympathy from a Suns fan about injuries.
3. Inability to match size because of Bogut injury. See above.
4. Iggy isn't full strength. He was a difference maker last year. See above.
5. LeBron would not be denied. He was by far the best player on the court.
6. Kyrie grew up.

None of it was reffing.

OH. And I predicted the Cavs in 7. I am not right that often, so I am going to enjoy this a little.

Agree with all but #3. Bogut had his moments in this series but by far the most effective lineup was the smaller lineup. yes the Cavs got offensive rebounds but the Warriors were able to spread the court on them and especially in game 7 it was extremely obvious that everytime they went small the Warriors surged and everytime they put back in a big(except for Speights short run) the Cavs surged.

 

[overseascardfan]

Forget everything up until a minute left in the game because that's when GS lost the series. Reason, so goeth Curry so goeth GS. Curry choked particularly in the 4th quarter (do not know if he even made a basket in the 4th from what I could recall). You can't do that when your the MVP, can't use injury as an excuse, Lebron injured his wrist on that foul by Green still came back to make 1 of 2 FT's to ice the game. Also, Curry was defending Irving on his 3 pt dagger that technically won the game (so much for people thinking CLE will re-tool by jettisoning Irving and Love). GS was too overconfident, thinking they woud get the calls being the defending champs but that's not the case when your playing a Lebron team. The only reason the game was close was because of Draymond Green's monster night (32 pts, 17 reb).

 

[AzStevenCal]

Your rant about curry being "thrown out" at end of game six is so ridiculous. He was tossed AFTER HE FOULED OUT on an INCREDIBLY stupid gamble swipe with 5 fouls. Curry has got to be a smarter player than that. He took a stupid gamble with 5 fouls. He's and idiot for that.

And yes, the refs did have an impact. They ALWAYS have an impact. Their jobs are incredibly subjective and it's virtually impossible for them to ref completely evenly unless they are making obvious make-up calls which would have everyone screaming even more loudly. One side or another (virtually always the losing side) ******* about the refs. Coincidence? No. Conspiracy? No. Just sports. And it always gets more physical in playoffs. If you can't handle it, don't watch. But whining is getting tiresome.

Yeah I agree with all of this.

I'm disappointed in the refs but not because they fixed the outcome. The league had been making a concerted effort to move away from postseason-refereeing and the past couple of years they'd made a lot of progress. But this season they reverted to form and I'm not talking about this series, it was evident throughout the playoffs.

But I don't know if anything short of Duke style refereeing would have earned GS the win in this last game. Cleveland just outplayed them.

 

[Russ Smith]

Forget everything up until a minute left in the game because that's when GS lost the series. Reason, so goeth Curry so goeth GS. Curry choked particularly in the 4th quarter (do not know if he even made a basket in the 4th from what I could recall). You can't do that when your the MVP, can't use injury as an excuse, Lebron injured his wrist on that foul by Green still came back to make 1 of 2 FT's to ice the game. Also, Curry was defending Irving on his 3 pt dagger that technically won the game (so much for people thinking CLE will re-tool by jettisoning Irving and Love). GS was too overconfident, thinking they woud get the calls being the defending champs but that's not the case when your playing a Lebron team. The only reason the game was close was because of Draymond Green's monster night (32 pts, 17 reb).

Sure it was tied with a minute left and Kyrie's 3 won it but the game was really lost earlier. The Warriors led 87-83 after the putback by Draymond off a miss by Curry. Curry had tied it at 83 with a 3 then Klay and Draymond scored 2's to make it 87-83. The putback happened with Ezeli on the floor he had just come in. Then Ezeli fouls LeBron on a 3 to cut the lead to 1. Then Curry makes the behind the back bad pass to Klay and LeBron nails the 3 over Ezeli and Cleveland leads 89-87. Klay tied it at 4:39 and the Warriors didn't score again. Obviously impossible to know what would have happened if Ezeli never came in but highly unlikely that would have happened. What Kerr did there was take out Barnes he'd missed a couple of shots and he presumably wanted more size but the small lineup had been the difference for the Warriors the entire game. They cut it from 7 to 1 at the end of the 3rd with the small lineup, they were never behind more than 3 the entire 4th quarter with the small lineup and eventually had the 4 point lead, adn then Ezeli came in and they fell apart.

I guess we can't know for sure maybe that all happens anyways but the entire game went the same way I will never understand why he put Ezeli in there. it's all over the Bay Area today what happened to Steph and Klay and why did Kerr play Ezeli in the 4th quarter. Draymond played 47 minutes, Barnes only played 29 so he didn't take him out because he was tired. That was the entire radio discussion on my short drive to work why Ezeli.

 

[Dude]

Your rant about curry being "thrown out" at end of game six is so ridiculous. He was tossed AFTER HE FOULED OUT on an INCREDIBLY stupid gamble swipe with 5 fouls. Curry has got to be a smarter player than that. He took a stupid gamble with 5 fouls. He's and idiot for that.

And yes, the refs did have an impact. They ALWAYS have an impact. Their jobs are incredibly subjective and it's virtually impossible for them to ref completely evenly unless they are making obvious make-up calls which would have everyone screaming even more loudly. One side or another (virtually always the losing side) ******* about the refs. Coincidence? No. Conspiracy? No. Just sports. And it always gets more physical in playoffs. If you can't handle it, don't watch. But whining is getting tiresome.

Bingo...................

 

[nashman]

Yeah Curry fouls out so often it was his fault lol. Most of his fouls were atrocious calls that would NEVER be made on Lebron but hey it all worked out for the King so must be fair. The NBA regressed to thug ball this year once again! Green out=win, curry out= win, bogut out and win but sure it was all because the Cavs are the best team lol wake up! Kerr made some bad moves but hey when both your bigs you had available play like garbage who do you play, the Warriors missed shots and this game 7 was probably the most legitimate loss they suffered the whole series, too bad it was the one they needed most. It's not game 7 where the series was lost it was 5&6 where the Cavs were able to play thug ball to even the series. GS could have made it not matter but they didn't, that does not take away that the Cavs got away with murder in 5&6 to even have a game 7.

 

[Dude]

Yeah Curry fouls out so often it was his fault lol. Most of his fouls were atrocious calls that would NEVER be made on Lebron but hey it all worked out for the King so must be fair. The NBA regressed to thug ball this year once again! Green out=win, curry out= win, bogut out and win but sure it was all because the Cavs are the best team lol wake up! Kerr made some bad moves but hey when both your bigs you had available play like garbage who do you play, the Warriors missed shots and this game 7 was probably the most legitimate loss they suffered the whole series, too bad it was the one they needed most. It's not game 7 where the series was lost it was 5&6 where the Cavs were able to play thug ball to even the series. GS could have made it not matter but they didn't, that does not take away that the Cavs got away with murder in 5&6 to even have a game 7.

Just because of you when I was at the gym this morning I listened to groups of guys talking about the finals. My workout takes 2 and 1/2 hours lots of talk it was big today. Not one group or anyone saying anything about GS getting screwed over by the refs. Most of it was how GS collapsed. As I said they went 7 and 7 the last 14 games the refs didn't do that to them. They were not playing like a 73 and 9 team. They were playing like a 500 team and yes Cleveland ended up being the better team over those 7 games at that time. If you're playing on a great level you don't play 500 ball even if you give them two losses do to what you call thug ball. I better stance is they shouldn't have even been in the finals. They were off their game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah Curry fouls out so often it was his fault lol. Most of his fouls were atrocious calls that would NEVER be made on Lebron but hey it all worked out for the King so must be fair. The NBA regressed to thug ball this year once again! Green out=win, curry out= win, bogut out and win but sure it was all because the Cavs are the best team lol wake up! Kerr made some bad moves but hey when both your bigs you had available play like garbage who do you play, the Warriors missed shots and this game 7 was probably the most legitimate loss they suffered the whole series, too bad it was the one they needed most. It's not game 7 where the series was lost it was 5&6 where the Cavs were able to play thug ball to even the series. GS could have made it not matter but they didn't, that does not take away that the Cavs got away with murder in 5&6 to even have a game 7.

Bogut being out was an issue sure but again it was game 7. Draymond played 47 minutes, Steph and Klay 40 or more I think. Iggy looked fine, Barnes only 29 minutes, and Livingston I think only 16. In the first half only one big didn't crap the bed, Speights,and he didn't play in the 2nd half until the last 30 seconds or so. The best lineup was the small lineup. When they pulled to that 7 point halftime lead the final lineup on the floor was Curry, Barbosa, Klay, Iggy and Draymond.

 

[nashman]

Without question Russ Kerry's lineups were strange in this game. He was I think fighting a losing battle trying to get the team performance they needed to win and guys didn't step up. As I said earlier this game was the most fairly called out of the last 3 and they lost it is what it is. I did not say they got screwed in this game but rather games that led to even being a game 7.

 

[Dude]

Ok nashman I will try for a fourth time and see if you have an answer. Was is thug ball or the refs that got them down 3-1 to OKC? Was it thug ball or the refs that got them past OKC? Why did a 73 and 9 team finish 7 and 7. They were off and still almost won it all. That's how good of a team they have. But in the end they lost because they were off not the refs or thug ball.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ok nashman I will try for a fourth time and see if you have an answer. Was is thug ball or the refs that got them down 3-1 to OKC? Was it thug ball or the refs that got them past OKC? Why did a 73 and 9 team finish 7 and 7. They were off and still almost won it all. That's how good of a team they have. But in the end they lost because they were off not the refs or thug ball.

LeBron put on the best finals performance by an individual player--ever. He led both teams in points, rebounds, steals, and blocks. No one has ever done that before--in any playoff series of any kind.

 

[devilalum]

Lebron led all players in all 5 major statistical categories. Curry may be the MVP but LBJ is by far the best current player on thw planet.

sent from a fone

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ok nashman I will try for a fourth time and see if you have an answer. Was is thug ball or the refs that got them down 3-1 to OKC? Was it thug ball or the refs that got them past OKC? Why did a 73 and 9 team finish 7 and 7. They were off and still almost won it all. That's how good of a team they have. But in the end they lost because they were off not the refs or thug ball.

I think Mr. James had a little something to do with the Warrior's loss...

But that said, if Green played Game 5, I'm pretty convinced the series would've ended right there.

 

[PDXChris]

Steph Curry's ugly shoes hit the internet by storm and they go winless since. Just sayin'

 

[PDXChris]

Good for team Nike in beating Under Armor!

 

[Dude]

I think Mr. James had a little something to do with the Warrior's loss...

But that said, if Green played Game 5, I'm pretty convinced the series would've ended right there.

Maybe but that's not on the refs or Cleveland playing thug ball. The guy likes to hit players in the junk. Still on them and only them.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Maybe but that's not on the refs or Cleveland playing thug ball. The guy likes to hit players in the junk. Still on them and only them.

Oh - no doubt!! Nashman is a known "referee hater"... In the Cards forum, he is always quick to blame refs...
But yea - the Warriors were simply not good enough, period. It's still hard to believe that they, after putting up the regular season they did, never losing back to back games, ended up coughing up a 3-1 lead to of all teams, the Cavs... Incredible...