NBA to vote on new draft lottery system

[pokerface]

I think a passive but effective tank would be to trade Bled. He's rotting on this team anyway. Maybe by trade deadline some contender will pay a premium for him.

 

[Errntknght]

I think a passive but effective tank would be to trade Bled. He's rotting on this team anyway. Maybe by trade deadline some contender will pay a premium for him.

I wouldn't even call that tanking - our young guys will be learning a lot more about how to play the game with Ulis running the show. It will also give us a better idea of how capable they are and we'll also find out how well Ulis stands up to full time action. Too bad about Williams injury, he's one of the guys we need to see a lot more of. I suppose that opens a door for Bender and perhaps for Peters, too. We have a ton of sorting out to do - and we list 21 guys on the roster now so we have to pare four before the season starts...

 

[pokerface]

I wouldn't even call that tanking - our young guys will be learning a lot more about how to play the game with Ulis running the show. It will also give us a better idea of how capable they are and we'll also find out how well Ulis stands up to full time action. Too bad about Williams injury, he's one of the guys we need to see a lot more of. I suppose that opens a door for Bender and perhaps for Peters, too. We have a ton of sorting out to do - and we list 21 guys on the roster now so we have to pare four before the season starts...

Yeah it is too bad about Williams...I really like his game and effort. True that Bender should see more time...Ulis too hopefully. This next season should be a big experiment to see what works and what doesn't. There is a lot of raw talent that needs development that's for sure.

 

[BC867]

I think a passive but effective tank would be to trade Bled. He's rotting on this team anyway. Maybe by trade deadline some contender will pay a premium for him.

I hope you're right. And not especially for Bledsoe's sake. The D-backs need a facilitator at lead Point Guard to make the rest of the team better, especially with our young players.

And it would put an end to the Suns' multi-tweeter Guard folly that has kept us out of the post-season for too long.

I hope we don't start this season still saddled down with that. Go, Bledsoe. Far away!

 

[pokerface]

I hope you're right. And not especially for Bledsoe's sake. The D-backs need a facilitator at lead Point Guard to make the rest of the team better, especially with our young players.

And it would put an end to the Suns' multi-tweeter Guard folly that has kept us out of the post-season for too long.

I hope we don't start this season still saddled down with that. Go, Bledsoe. Far away!

I really think the Bledsoe thing is complicated. He puts up good stats but his contract is short now. His age and durability is a concern but a little less concerning than the contract. He isn't a classic facilitator either so I agree with you there. Ulis seems better in that regard. Plus even if Bled were to stay and re-sign with the suns could we afford Booker and company after that? I don't know.

In the long run Bled doesn't seem to fit but I don't know if Ulis is ready for prime time. I've waffled on Bled but it might be time to cut ties. Trade Bledsoe...go with Ulis for now...get a center in the draft...then maybe get a free agent pg if we need to down the road. Heck if we cash in on the Miami pick(s) there might be a PG so we have options.

 

[Superbone]

The D-backs need a facilitator at lead Point Guard to make the rest of the team better, especially with our young players.

They say the mind is the first thing to go. The D-backs could use some bullpen help but that's a discussion for another forum.

 

[BC867]

They say the mind is the first thing to go. The D-backs could use some bullpen help but that's a discussion for another forum.

Yes, it's sure going. But, right now, the D-backs are in the front of my mind. After the Suns play a few games, I'll get it right.

 

[Hoop Head]

Top 4 picks will be selected by the lottery now and there are new odds.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ery-reform-guidelines-resting-healthy-players


Here are the new odds that will go into effect for the 2019 lottery drawing, next year will be the same.

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[Carolinacacti]

I'm just anticipating another rollar coaster season. It's hard to imagine the suns going from second worst record to lighting up the league.

The Minnesota Twins just did it. And for all you Bledsoe haters. I hope he makes the All-Star team. You really think this team needs a facilitator to give the ball to Chriss, Bender, Len and JJ. If I was the coach this front line would never shoot..........

 

[pokerface]

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The Minnesota Twins just did it. And for all you Bledsoe haters. I hope he makes the All-Star team. You really think this team needs a facilitator to give the ball to Chriss, Bender, Len and JJ. If I was the coach this front line would never shoot..........

You should Google Western Conference player movements and see how much it improved. We are so ******* it's not even close. Teams got significantly better through trade and the draft...and it was tough already before all that.

After reading that we should deal Bledsoe now. You're right about Bled...he's too good for this team. Time to cash in.

 

[Ronin]

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[Carolinacacti]

You should Google Western Conference player movements and see how much it improved. We are so ******* it's not even close. Teams got significantly better through trade and the draft...and it was tough already before all that.

Top three teams are better but Clips and Utah, NOT. Suns will fight it out with Portland, Denver and Memphis. I like the Suns chances.

 

[hsandhu]

I wish this was in place for 2018, barring injury we wont be a bottom 5 team.

8-10 range maybe, this new plan gives that range an increased chance at top 5 pick, this draft is 5 impact players deep.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wish this was in place for 2018, barring injury we wont be a bottom 5 team.

8-10 range maybe, this new plan gives that range an increased chance at top 5 pick, this draft is 5 impact players deep.

The same here.

I can see the Suns having a better chance of winning a top pick with these decreased odds.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ryan McDonough on the new lottery changes.

“Personally, I think it’s a positive step for the league,” he said. “You never want a team to have an incentive, even a marginal incentive, to lose games and not put their best team on the court and not try to do as well as they can. The way the odds were set up I think you can make an argument that, I don’t want to say that behavior was encouraged, but it had the potential to be rewarded. The way the new, smoother odds look, I think and hope teams will compete and try to win as many games as they can because the odds are more balanced.”

These changes may impact the unprotected 2021 first round draft pick the Suns receive from Miami.

“It adds a little variance in there for us,” McDonough said.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ough-applauds-draft-lottery-reform/714906001/

 

[pokerface]

With the new rules more teams will be tanking...not less. Teams in the lower pack will try to get in the middle for that "sweet spot" where they enhanced the odds. Teams in the middle pack will still try to get in the highest picks. Wtf is the league doing??


This will probably help the suns. We still get to tank this year and still have a decent shot at the highest picks since we are coming off the second worst record. We bottomed out with perfect timing...lol. Then next time around as we do the eventual climb out of the sewer we will still have a shot at high picks because the mid pack gained percentages.


Thank you NBA!

 

[Phrazbit]

With the new rules more teams will be tanking...not less. Teams in the lower pack will try to get in the middle for that "sweet spot" where they enhanced the odds. Teams in the middle pack will still try to get in the highest picks. Wtf is the league doing??

Your logic is really... really... flawed.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think changing things to where a team couldn't get a top 3 pick 2 years in a row would have been better than the adjusted odds. That would have stopped tanking more than the plan they went with. Maybe just stopping teams from getting top 2 picks in consecutive years would have helped.

They could also not rig the lottery. I don't normally buy into sports conspiracies but it's odd that the Lakers have walked away with the #2 pick for the last 3 years. They finished with the 3rd worst record this last season, the 2nd worst record in 2016, and the 4th worst record in 2015. Landing #2 helped them retain the pick also since its had various protection placed on it, top 5 and top 3 in recent years. This year Magic said a month before the lottery took place that the Lakers would be keeping their pick this draft, so that meant it would land in the top 3 because it had top 3 protection. That allowed them to draft the player from LA who played at UCLA who talked about being drafted by the Lakers for a solid year before the draft took place.

 

[Hoop Head]

With the new rules more teams will be tanking...not less. Teams in the lower pack will try to get in the middle for that "sweet spot" where they enhanced the odds. Teams in the middle pack will still try to get in the highest picks. Wtf is the league doing??


This will probably help the suns. We still get to tank this year and still have a decent shot at the highest picks since we are coming off the second worst record. We bottomed out with perfect timing...lol. Then next time around as we do the eventual climb out of the sewer we will still have a shot at high picks because the mid pack gained percentages.


Thank you NBA!

I don't see more teams tanking, I think this proposal helps some but I don't see why there would be more teams tanking because of the change. I don't think the change discourages tanking that much but I don't see how it would cause more teams to tank. So teams in the 4-8th spot get increased odds at a top 3 pick, that won't cause more tanking to take place. It may keep teams from tanking too hard down the stretch though, like the Suns did when they benched Booker completely when there were 7 games left and we were competing with LA to bottom out in the West.

 

[pokerface]

I don't see more teams tanking, I think this proposal helps some but I don't see why there would be more teams tanking because of the change. I don't think the change discourages tanking that much but I don't see how it would cause more teams to tank. So teams in the 4-8th spot get increased odds at a top 3 pick, that won't cause more tanking to take place. It may keep teams from tanking too hard down the stretch though, like the Suns did when they benched Booker completely when there were 7 games left and we were competing with LA to bottom out in the West.

Teams are still going to want to get in the 4-8 spot because conceivably they'd feel it will give them at shot at elite players. They up'd those percentages considerably...now they are more enticing. Teams already in those spots might figure what the heck...a little more tank and we'll have the best shots possible... especially knowing the top three all get equal shots. The only teams it discourages is the top two (or three) because they gain nothing by going higher and losing more.

So teams now will try to crack the top three AND top eight.

 

[Covert Rain]

It's going to be interesting to see how they enforce resting healthy players. It's at the commissioners discretion but ultimately how do you prove it? If the team doctor signs off on the injury what is the NBA going to do?

It doesn't look like there is a provision for NBA verifying injuries with their own medical staff.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Human nature is to try to find a way to game the system, no matter how "fool proof" the system may seem to be.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's going to be interesting to see how they enforce resting healthy players. It's at the commissioners discretion but ultimately how do you prove it? If the team doctor signs off on the injury what is the NBA going to do?

It doesn't look like there is a provision for NBA verifying injuries with their own medical staff.

Teams will have to claim real injuries (whether real or not) and doctors will have to sign off on those (not all doctors are lying quacks). At least there will be no more "in your face, I am sitting him anyway" attitudes from coaches like Pop. He seemed to like sitting players just to insult other teams and their fans.

 

[elindholm]

At least there will be no more "in your face, I am sitting him anyway" attitudes from coaches like Pop.

He'll just eat the fine, is my guess. No one's telling Popovic what to do. His mandated courtside interviews during games are a farce; it isn't just that he gives terse answers, but that he goes out of his way to be insulting and dismissive.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think changing things to where a team couldn't get a top 3 pick 2 years in a row would have been better than the adjusted odds. That would have stopped tanking more than the plan they went with. Maybe just stopping teams from getting top 2 picks in consecutive years would have helped.

They could also not rig the lottery. I don't normally buy into sports conspiracies but it's odd that the Lakers have walked away with the #2 pick for the last 3 years. They finished with the 3rd worst record this last season, the 2nd worst record in 2016, and the 4th worst record in 2015. Landing #2 helped them retain the pick also since its had various protection placed on it, top 5 and top 3 in recent years. This year Magic said a month before the lottery took place that the Lakers would be keeping their pick this draft, so that meant it would land in the top 3 because it had top 3 protection. That allowed them to draft the player from LA who played at UCLA who talked about being drafted by the Lakers for a solid year before the draft took place.

I too am no longer believe what happens behind closed doors in the NBA. It's just too convenient.

With the recent college basketball recruiting scandals it makes sports conspiracies all the more believable.