devilalum
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Dan H said:your worries are even more far-fetched.
I totally hope you are correct.
Dan H said:your worries are even more far-fetched.
devilalum said:I just don't think JJ's situation is the same and I'm a little concerned about the way the SUns have handled him.
They should have offered him a beeter deal last summer and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
BC and the front office made some great moves over the last few years and it has obviously paid off but they've also pulled a few ****** to go along with the gems.
devilalum said:I guess that's possible but I don't think I've ever heard of a player in JJ's situation orchestrating his own trade like that.
Example?
se7en said:Kenyon Martin worked out a sign and trade as a restricted free agent between New Jersey and Denver.
In fact, this would be an identical scenario. Denver attempted to sign Martin with free cap space just as Cleveland is able to do with JJ. However, the Nets threatened to match and instead Denver negotiated a sign and trade.
Oh, and for another parallel, Martin a young player coming from an NBA finals team (since it was asked whether anyone in this situation had also had been on a successful team like JJ)
cheesebeef said:I thought it was pretty well known that the Nets were looking to cut payroll - I odn't think they were looking to match for Kenyon Martin - isn't that also the reason why they gave up Kittles - to get as many contracts off the books as possible before they were sold?
cheesebeef said:I thought it was pretty well known that the Nets were looking to cut payroll - I odn't think they were looking to match for Kenyon Martin - isn't that also the reason why they gave up Kittles - to get as many contracts off the books as possible before they were sold?
se7en said:That wasn’t one of the questions being asked. The question was whether a talented Restricted Free Agent from a successful team had ever orchestrated a sign and trade to a team that had the ability to sign that player outright. And I gave a pretty darn good example of just that.
Joe Mama said:that's essentially correct. They didn't think Martin was worth as much as Denver gave him. They let him go.
Joe Mama
se7en said:That wasn’t one of the questions being asked. The question was whether a talented Restricted Free Agent from a successful team had ever orchestrated a sign and trade to a team that had the ability to sign that player outright. And I gave a pretty darn good example of just that.
elindholm said:Johnson can't force a sign-and-trade from the Suns. Unless the other team has something that Phoenix really wants, they'll just let Johnson go if they become really convinced that he doesn't want to play for them.
The difference between Martin's and Johnson's situations is that the Nets didn't particularly want Martin.
The difference between Swift's and Johnson's situations is that the market for Swift was simply not that strong. You're talking about a guy with a bunch of unrealized "potential" who still hasn't shown that he can handle starter's minutes on a regular basis. If there was a team out there last summer that really wanted Swift, Swift's agent and the Grizzlies would have worked something out.
I would put the probability of Johnson's signing a one-year escape contract at right around zero. It is slightly more likely that he'll convince the Suns that he doesn't want to play for him anymore, and they reluctantly let him sign elsewhere without matching, or possibly agree to a sign-and-trade. However, it remains very likely that he will re-sign with the Suns.
elindholm said:Johnson can't force a sign-and-trade from the Suns. Unless the other team has something that Phoenix really wants, they'll just let Johnson go if they become really convinced that he doesn't want to play for them.
The difference between Martin's and Johnson's situations is that the Nets didn't particularly want Martin.
The difference between Swift's and Johnson's situations is that the market for Swift was simply not that strong. You're talking about a guy with a bunch of unrealized "potential" who still hasn't shown that he can handle starter's minutes on a regular basis. If there was a team out there last summer that really wanted Swift, Swift's agent and the Grizzlies would have worked something out.
I would put the probability of Johnson's signing a one-year escape contract at right around zero. It is slightly more likely that he'll convince the Suns that he doesn't want to play for him anymore, and they reluctantly let him sign elsewhere without matching, or possibly agree to a sign-and-trade. However, it remains very likely that he will re-sign with the Suns.