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[Gaddabout]

Did anyone watch Outsourced? Just curious because we have an in office bet which NBC show will be cancelled first. All the money went to Outsourced -- universally, the women HATED this show. The men thought it was funny. I thought the preview clips were funny, just not certain how long they can carry that out.

 

[Chaplin]

Did anyone watch Outsourced? Just curious because we have an in office bet which NBC show will be cancelled first. All the money went to Outsourced -- universally, the women HATED this show. The men thought it was funny. I thought the preview clips were funny, just not certain how long they can carry that out.

Outsourced is a pretty good bet as far as what will be cancelled first. NBC does have a show sitting there that can replace it pretty easily--and I bet that is exactly why they decided to make Parks & Rec a midseason replacement--it can easily step in as a replacement for a cancelled show. Although 30 Rock at its new time is a little strange.

And then, there's the question of what will be cancelled first overall--and I tend to think &)*# My Dad Says and Outlaw will be the two shows that go first.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Outsourced is a pretty good bet as far as what will be cancelled first. NBC does have a show sitting there that can replace it pretty easily--and I bet that is exactly why they decided to make Parks & Rec a midseason replacement--it can easily step in as a replacement for a cancelled show. Although 30 Rock at its new time is a little strange.

And then, there's the question of what will be cancelled first overall--and I tend to think &)*# My Dad Says and Outlaw will be the two shows that go first.

I agree on the Shatner show but I'm not so sure about Outlaw. Not that it's a good show or anything but I can see it sticking around until the network finally realizes that Jimmy can't carry a show. Anybody else find it almost campy?

Steve

 

[PDXChris]

Did anyone watch Outsourced? Just curious because we have an in office bet which NBC show will be cancelled first. All the money went to Outsourced -- universally, the women HATED this show. The men thought it was funny. I thought the preview clips were funny, just not certain how long they can carry that out.

I problem I have with the show is that is it based off the movie, which was fantastic. The show is a satire of the movie and that has turned me off. It would be like turning the movie Parenthood into a 30 minute sitcom instead of the show it is. Although, I have not watched Parethood, so I do not know if it is any good or not.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Outlaw might be one of the stupidest ideas for a show ever. I am going to watch it for the unintentional laughs it will cause.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Outsourced is a pretty good bet as far as what will be cancelled first.

with a 3.5 last night in the demo, I think you might want to rethink this bet. That's a pretty solid number ESPECIALLY for NBC. We'll see if it holds, but even if it drops a full point in coming months, a 2.5 still wallops what Community is doing (which is a MUCH better show that for some reason can't find an audience). If they can live with Community at 2.2 on a premiere WITH Betty White, they'll be produ as punch over a 2.5 from Outsourced if it goes down.

NBC does have a show sitting there that can replace it pretty easily--and I bet that is exactly why they decided to make Parks & Rec a midseason replacement--it can easily step in as a replacement for a cancelled show. Although 30 Rock at its new time is a little strange.

Actually, from what I've heard is that NBC will be looking to start a new hour of comedy sometime during the week, combining Parks with Paul Reiser's Next at mid-season.

And then, there's the question of what will be cancelled first overall--and I tend to think &)*# My Dad Says and Outlaw will be the two shows that go first.

Shatner gets at least all 13. Dad did pretty respectable numbers last night as well. Outlaw I have no idea what it's numbers were but holy hell was that show ATROCIOUS. I pray it gets canceled soon to save everyone working on the show from further embarassment.

As to what I think gets cancelled? Just look at the numbers. Anything below a 2 in the demo and you've got to be sweating bullets. So my call is that Lonestar is as good as dead. There's another one out there but I care not to speculate about it because I know a lot of good people working on it.

Oh, also, Running Wilde... that show's DOA. So, Lonestar and Running Wilde are my guesses... probably in that order.

 

[Chaplin]

Lonestar is easily the most critically-acclaimed show of the fall. It's this year's Friday Night Lights, and if that show survived as long as it did, look for Lonestar to continue on, bad ratings or no.

 

[Gaddabout]

My money was on Undercovers, but it performed a little better than I thought. I was betting no one was going to watch it with the competition.

NBC is re-running The Event twice this weekend because of it's conflict with Dancing with the Stars. They desperately want that show to succeed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lonestar is easily the most critically-acclaimed show of the fall. It's this year's Friday Night Lights, and if that show survived as long as it did, look for Lonestar to continue on, bad ratings or no.

I gotta disagree. Friday Night Lights' premiere ratings were nowhere near as absolutely horrific as Lonestar were last week. A 1.3 out of the gate is a huge fail no matter what, but a 1.3 for a show with huge hype and an even bigger lead-in audience coming on the heels of a House season premiere is a disaster of biblical proportions and there ain't enough critical acclaim in the world that can save it. It gets two more weeks. Tops.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't check ratings and I have no connection to or insight about the industry but I do watch a lot of TV. IMO, the worst show so far this season (of the hour long scripted shows) hands down is The Whole Truth. Incredibly contrived and Morrow acts like a guy trying to convince the audience he isn't Don Epps.

Steve

 

[Passepartout]

Well Hawaii Five-0 they are saying, is the best new show as it won it's time slot where CSI Miami once stood for years!

 

[HoodieBets]

The show that really surprised me is The Defenders, its one of the few new shows thats a must see for me. I dont know how long i can stay with The Event doesnt give me the realism Lost had at the beggining but it does give me that unknown persons feeling which is really bad. BTW why all the cop shows this season its tired and i wont even turn it on to watch. IMO there are two solid network nights of TV, ABC's Wednesday and NBC's Thursday the rest is a mix match with maybe one worth while show a night.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The show that really surprised me is The Defenders, its one of the few new shows thats a must see for me. I dont know how long i can stay with The Event doesnt give me the realism Lost had at the beggining but it does give me that unknown persons feeling which is really bad. BTW why all the cop shows this season its tired and i wont even turn it on to watch. IMO there are two solid network nights of TV, ABC's Wednesday and NBC's Thursday the rest is a mix match with maybe one worth while show a night.

I enjoyed the pilot but I'm getting tired of one gimmick. All too often, when they have a flawed character that's tied to the law enforcement world (cop, lawyer, PI etc) they show them in a failed relationship. Okay, I can buy that but the next step really annoys me. They have them using their connections to stalk their ex. It's old, it's tired and it's difficult to find stalking acceptable and it's certainly not humorous, IMO.

Steve

 

[HoodieBets]

I enjoyed the pilot but I'm getting tired of one gimmick. All too often, when they have a flawed character that's tied to the law enforcement world (cop, lawyer, PI etc) they show them in a failed relationship. Okay, I can buy that but the next step really annoys me. They have them using their connections to stalk their ex. It's old, it's tired and it's difficult to find stalking acceptable and it's certainly not humorous, IMO.

Steve

Didnt bother me because it wasnt the focal point. Belushi plays the character well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lonestar fell to a 1.0 last night. I'm betting it gets it's walking papers by tomorrow... or a week from tomorrow, MAX.

here's the numbers from last night for those interested in what shows you can continue watching without fear of them being canceled any time soon.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/2...d-chuck-the-event-chase-five-0-all-fall/65393

 

[Chaplin]

Lonestar fell to a 1.0 last night. I'm betting it gets it's walking papers by tomorrow... or a week from tomorrow, MAX.

here's the numbers from last night for those interested in what shows you can continue watching without fear of them being canceled any time soon.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/2...d-chuck-the-event-chase-five-0-all-fall/65393

Wow, I definitely have to eat crow. 1.0?? That's absolutely terrible, even for Fox. Hell, it's terrible for The CW!

Ironically, that show would draw 15 million if it were on CBS.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wow, I definitely have to eat crow. 1.0?? That's absolutely terrible, even for Fox. Hell, it's terrible for The CW!

Ironically, that show would draw 15 million if it were on CBS.

I don't know the industry well enough to be sure why you wrote this but even still, humor notwithstanding, I think you might be wrong here. I suspect this is exactly the kind of show/premise that would drive typically loyal CBS viewers to another network.

Assuming CBS still skews towards my age group this is not the right show for the baby boomer and upward crowd, IMO. Narrowing that generalization down to just me, this was the only hour long scripted show that I wasn't even willing to give a chance to. And, frankly, I am not a very critical viewer.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wow, I definitely have to eat crow. 1.0?? That's absolutely terrible, even for Fox. Hell, it's terrible for The CW!

exactly. seems like a show that probably would have been better off a little edgier and on FX.

 

[AzStevenCal]

exactly. seems like a show that probably would have been better off a little edgier and on FX.

Agreed.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

I don't know the industry well enough to be sure why you wrote this but even still, humor notwithstanding, I think you might be wrong here. I suspect this is exactly the kind of show/premise that would drive typically loyal CBS viewers to another network.

Assuming CBS still skews towards my age group this is not the right show for the baby boomer and upward crowd, IMO. Narrowing that generalization down to just me, this was the only hour long scripted show that I wasn't even willing to give a chance to. And, frankly, I am not a very critical viewer.

Steve

Then who do you think this skews to? If it skewed to the prime age group (18-35), it would do a lot better since that is Fox's primary age group. And since it doesn't appeal to the under-18 crowd, where else would it go?

Cheese is right, it probably could have done better with a little bit more edge and on a network where it can get away with more.

 

[Chaplin]

Agreed.

Steve

As the show stands now, it wouldn't survive on FX. It's not edgy enough. Which is why it would do better on CBS. I saw the pilot and it was one of the most boring things I've seen on television. IMO, right at home on CBS.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Then who do you think this skews to? If it skewed to the prime age group (18-35), it would do a lot better since that is Fox's primary age group. And since it doesn't appeal to the under-18 crowd, where else would it go?

Cheese is right, it probably could have done better with a little bit more edge and on a network where it can get away with more.

I think Cheese was right on both counts. It needs to be on a cable network such as FX and it needs to be edgier. I just think the premise itself dooms the show for my age group which hurts it on any of the broadcast networks (but especially CBS) and it's not raw enough for the generation or 2 behind me.

Obviously there are a lot of exceptions but baby boomers for the most part still prefer their good guys in white hats. We love our Eastwood but we're still John Wayne/Doris Day fans at heart. Take Breaking Bad, Dexter or The Shield and soften them up for CBS and all 3 shows struggle and probably fail, IMO.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Then who do you think this skews to? If it skewed to the prime age group (18-35), it would do a lot better since that is Fox's primary age group. And since it doesn't appeal to the under-18 crowd, where else would it go?

Cheese is right, it probably could have done better with a little bit more edge and on a network where it can get away with more.

It's officially canceled. Lie To Me takes over October 4th in it's slot.

As to it moving to CBS, I don't think there's much of a chance that CBS would ever develop anything like it. That network is black and white, good is good and bad is bad... period. There's no room for any kind of moral ambiguity and that was the entire hook of this show. Not to mention CBS LOATHES serialized shows. They want their shows to open and close and give you a puppy at the end for good measure.

They tried to branch out that way a couple years ago with some in between shows with stuff like Swingtown, Jericho and Viva Laughlin and they were all horrific bombs for the most part (Jericho got a brief reprieve because of an UNBELIEVABLE fan campaign... that ended up getting 7 more episodes before it was canned in season 2). They learned their lesson. Their audience wants good versus bland... er... bad. nothing more, nothing less.

 

[AzStevenCal]

As the show stands now, it wouldn't survive on FX. It's not edgy enough. Which is why it would do better on CBS. I saw the pilot and it was one of the most boring things I've seen on television. IMO, right at home on CBS.

I didn't see the pilot. I didn't see it because I knew it would be fairly mild since it was on broadcast TV and because the basic story-line turns me off. I maintain that much of the CBS audience would skip the pilot for the same reason. And contrary to popular belief, us old people don't watch CBS just to be bored.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's officially canceled. Lie To Me takes over October 4th in it's slot.

And how long before they cancel Lie To Me? It's one of my favorite major network shows so it's probably on it's way out soon also.

Steve