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On December 24, 2006, Leinart went down with an injury at the end of the first half. Warner came in with a 20-6 lead and went 9/13 for 105 yards 0 TDs 0 Ints while the team put up two field goals, one of which came after a four yard drive. He also only completed one 20+ yard pass. Leinart was 9/13 for 165 yards 1 TD 0 Ints when he came out of the game, and the offense dropped off considerably in the second half. It was essentially the same situation as yesterday, and Warner did what he needed to do in order to win. Such is the life of a backup quarterback.
 
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On December 24, 2006, Leinart went down with an injury at the end of the first half. Warner came in with a 20-6 lead and went 9/13 for 105 yards 0 TDs 0 Ints while the team put up two field goals, one of which came after a four yard drive. Leinart was 9/13 for 165 yards 1 TD 0 Ints when he came out of the game, and the offense dropped off considerably in the second half. It was essentially the same situation as yesterday, and Warner did what he needed to do in order to win. Such is the life of a backup quarterback.
that Warner guy has no future with this team. :D
 

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On December 24, 2006, Leinart went down with an injury at the end of the first half. Warner came in with a 20-6 lead and went 9/13 for 105 yards 0 TDs 0 Ints while the team put up two field goals, one of which came after a four yard drive. He also only completed one 20+ yard pass. Leinart was 9/13 for 165 yards 1 TD 0 Ints when he came out of the game, and the offense dropped off considerably in the second half. It was essentially the same situation as yesterday, and Warner did what he needed to do in order to win. Such is the life of a backup quarterback.


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On December 24, 2006, Leinart went down with an injury at the end of the first half. Warner came in with a 20-6 lead and went 9/13 for 105 yards 0 TDs 0 Ints while the team put up two field goals, one of which came after a four yard drive. He also only completed one 20+ yard pass. Leinart was 9/13 for 165 yards 1 TD 0 Ints when he came out of the game, and the offense dropped off considerably in the second half. It was essentially the same situation as yesterday, and Warner did what he needed to do in order to win. Such is the life of a backup quarterback.

You bring up ONE game..

Matt has done nothing in MONTHS.... pre-season (this year and last) as well as mop-up duty, that give anyone any confidence in his ability.

Lets talk about how Warner did when he took over for Trent Greene. :D
 

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You bring up ONE game..

Matt has done nothing in MONTHS.... pre-season (this year and last) as well as mop-up duty, that give anyone any confidence in his ability.

Lets talk about how Warner did when he took over for Trent Greene. :D

Actually, a friend of mine who isn't a Cards fan pointed out a preseason game this year where Matt looked poised and crisp. I asked him what he thought of ML after that game, and he pointed to that and to his high completion percentage, lack of turnovers, and throw to Doucet in this past game as a reason to not criticism him.
 

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80/142 56.3% 940 yds 6.6 ypa 2TD(1.4%) 7INT(4.9%) 5 FUM 60.8 rating

That's what Warner did through the preseason and games 1 & 3 this year. It has taken a seasoned, pro-bowl, QB much time, effort and work with the coaches and receivers for him to get into a rhythm his year.

Why should Leinart, without any real practice time be expected to step in and replicate what Warner has struggled to get to this year?

They weren't running the offense for him as evidenced by the run/pass ratio dropping to 50/50.

Leinart didn't have any dropped interceptions or bad reads, he converted 3 third downs and other than holding the ball too long on one play did what he had to do. Whis declined to attempt a relatively makeable 50 yard FG and Becht fumbled the ball away. So Leinart had one 3 and out and the Cardinals didn't light up the scoreboard when he came in.

Let him get a couple of full games under his belt where he gets to practice all week. Maybe he will underperform but a circle the wagons game is hardly what we should base his future on.
 

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80/142 56.3% 940 yds 6.6 ypa 2TD(1.4%) 7INT(4.9%) 5 FUM 60.8 rating

That's what Warner did through the preseason and games 1 & 3 this year. It has taken a seasoned, pro-bowl, QB much time, effort and work with the coaches and receivers for him to get into a rhythm his year.

Why should Leinart, without any real practice time be expected to step in and replicate what Warner has struggled to get to this year?

They weren't running the offense for him as evidenced by the run/pass ratio dropping to 50/50.

Leinart didn't have any dropped interceptions or bad reads, he converted 3 third downs and other than holding the ball too long on one play did what he had to do. Whis declined to attempt a relatively makeable 50 yard FG and Becht fumbled the ball away. So Leinart had one 3 and out and the Cardinals didn't light up the scoreboard when he came in.

Let him get a couple of full games under his belt where he gets to practice all week. Maybe he will underperform but a circle the wagons game is hardly what we should base his future on.

mocklerman-----you rock. The real problem, is that people have been so accustomed to KW's HOF performances that anything less is unsatisfactory. Also, they don't seem to understand that not having reps during the week with the starters on a REGULAR basis is detrimental to any QB coming off the bench cold and having the same success that the starter did.

When Matt WAS a starter, he was quite successful, (despite the fact that under Greene, he had no suitable assistants to coach him up, AND that Greene was more inclined to deflect criticism away from himself than he was to actually help his coaches or players). Even going into his second year, until he was injured, he did OK for a kid pretty much on his own so far as the learning curve was concerned.

Whizenhunt has said that Matt has learned and progressed steadily during his time on the bench watching KW. Since Whiz has not lied to any of us about anything else, I assume he is correct in his assessmment of Matt's progress toward becoming a starter in this league.

Even the players seem comfortable with him----(see Rolle's comments to Urban in an interview on the official site).

Right now Matt is a back-up QB. His job is to come into a game cold and preserve a win. He has done that, and to expect him to have the same rythm that the starter has with his unit, is just not fair. Judge him on his performance as a back-up. The time will come when he will get the chance to start, and we will then judge him on his performance as a starter, when he is allowed the reps with the first unit that starters normally get during the week before the game.
 

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You are right that it will take Matt some time. Thing is we're in a playoff race, we don't HAVE time for him to get it wrong.
 

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You are right that it will take Matt some time. Thing is we're in a playoff race, we don't HAVE time for him to get it wrong.

Matt's had ample time. The best Tudor and no pressure. Yet he still blows. BUST!
 

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You bring up ONE game..

Matt has done nothing in MONTHS.... pre-season (this year and last) as well as mop-up duty, that give anyone any confidence in his ability.

Lets talk about how Warner did when he took over for Trent Greene. :D

He did have 346 yards and 3 TDs in a half this preseason. That tends to inspire confidence. It was only preseason, but it's still pretty impressive.
 

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Matt's had ample time. The best Tudor and no pressure. Yet he still blows. BUST!

Strangely enough, you simply ignore the fact that this is a precision timing offense built around KW, where you need a ton of reps with the 1st team to have any kind of real rhythm in a game. Yeah, just keep saying he blows...maybe that'll make it true lol

And which Tudor does he have? Elizabeth I? Maybe Henry VIII? I hear Henry VII was really good at replacing leaders.
 

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Strangely enough, you simply ignore the fact that this is a precision timing offense built around KW, where you need a ton of reps with the 1st team to have any kind of real rhythm in a game. Yeah, just keep saying he blows...maybe that'll make it true lol

And which Tudor does he have? Elizabeth I? Maybe Henry VIII? I hear Henry VII was really good at replacing leaders.

Good stuff Stout:D:D:);)-----OR maybe he meant a 2door----like a VW, or maybe a V-VIII------:D
 

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I think we're so nervous about life after Kurt and losing all-world productivity from the receivers while we tinker with a replacement that we're freaking out about Leinart a little too much. This offense is built around Warner. If he retires at season's end, we can probably assume that it'll start to look a little more like what we expected Whiz to put in place from the beginning. That still doesn't mean that Leinart's the perfect guy for it, but his performance as a sub in this weekend's game doesn't eliminate him.
 

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I don't understand the need to bag on Leinart. Hand wringing seems to be a favorite pastime for some.

He missed some throws but with the lack of practice time I am not surprised.
If given a week to prepare and plays designed to his strength instead of Warner's I don't doubt he would be fine. Would they have designed a rollout right for a left handed QB? A pass that he may have completed if the rookie had turned around in time to be ready for the catch.

This same Rams team gave the 10-0 Saints a run last week. The Rams are not a team that has given up.
 

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I guess I just don't understand the worry about Matt.

It's not as if our coaching staff has proven to be idiots about the QB position.

They didn't draft the guy, they have zero need to continue with him if they don't want to after his contract.

So it'll work itself out and they are the only opinion on this that really matters, we'll see what they do when the time comes.
 

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You guys act like we're all giving him a hard time for no reason.. All I hear from the pro Matt group is "He did just what you want from your backup QB"

You're all talking like he was some journeyman we brought in as a BACKUP QB. I would be more than happy with QB play like Matt's of late if it were coming from.. hmm, I dunno.. Timmy Hasslebeck, Tim Rattay etc.. after being on the roster for less than a week.
But he's not, He was a top 10 draft pick who was anointed this teams starter, and has a crapload of the teams $$.

But you all can keep being happy with a QB who has been in this system for years now, has had a great mentor in Kurt...yet still gets yanked from mop up duty because he's incapable of leading the offense.
 

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You guys act like we're all giving him a hard time for no reason.. All I hear from the pro Matt group is "He did just what you want from your backup QB"

You're all talking like he was some journeyman we brought in as a BACKUP QB. I would be more than happy with QB play like Matt's of late if it were coming from.. hmm, I dunno.. Timmy Hasslebeck, Tim Rattay etc.. after being on the roster for less than a week.
But he's not, He was a top 10 draft pick who was anointed this teams starter, and has a crapload of the teams $$.

But you all can keep being happy with a QB who has been in this system for years now, has had a great mentor in Kurt...yet still gets yanked from mop up duty because he's incapable of leading the offense.

:stupid:
 

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All this means nothing to me. Looked like the Cards usual coasting in the second half after getting a big lead. About the 4th time they've done that this season I think.

Jacksonville, Houston,Chicago and now St.Louis.
 

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You guys act like we're all giving him a hard time for no reason.. All I hear from the pro Matt group is "He did just what you want from your backup QB"

You're all talking like he was some journeyman we brought in as a BACKUP QB. I would be more than happy with QB play like Matt's of late if it were coming from.. hmm, I dunno.. Timmy Hasslebeck, Tim Rattay etc.. after being on the roster for less than a week.
But he's not, He was a top 10 draft pick who was anointed this teams starter, and has a crapload of the teams $$.

But you all can keep being happy with a QB who has been in this system for years now, has had a great mentor in Kurt...yet still gets yanked from mop up duty because he's incapable of leading the offense.

Sure, he's a starter and has a crapload of the team's $$$. How many reps in practice does that net him right now? Very few. How many reps with the 1st team do you need in a precision offense to have good timing? The majority. How can you judge the kid who is in a backup role without getting the reps and say he should be playing like a superstar? There is zero logic in that argument. Money and draft position doesn't make up for practice and reps. There's no arguing that point, though I expect a few will, with great futility, try.
 

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Strangely enough, you simply ignore the fact that this is a precision timing offense built around KW, where you need a ton of reps with the 1st team to have any kind of real rhythm in a game. Yeah, just keep saying he blows...maybe that'll make it true lol

And which Tudor does he have? Elizabeth I? Maybe Henry VIII? I hear Henry VII was really good at replacing leaders.

My vote is for Henry VIII, he did a pretty good job of wiping out the Plantagenets; the true kingship line of England. ;)
 

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Sure, he's a starter and has a crapload of the team's $$$. How many reps in practice does that net him right now? Very few. How many reps with the 1st team do you need in a precision offense to have good timing? The majority. How can you judge the kid who is in a backup role without getting the reps and say he should be playing like a superstar? There is zero logic in that argument. Money and draft position doesn't make up for practice and reps. There's no arguing that point, though I expect a few will, with great futility, try.

Good God! yes!.. ok you're right.. It's totally out of the question for a backup QB to ever come into a game and look anything above average.. I apologize.
 

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Stout your killing me. Practice time is your only argument? Tim freaking Rattay came into this offense and looked better in spot duty than Matt Leinart does. Matt has quite a bit of time under center with these WRs except Breaston. He has been in the offensive system for 3 freaking years. He has come into games in the most relaxed situation you could possibly give the guy with 3 td leads in all of them and the games pretty much sealed. Yet he plays scared and like he's got a freaking SB on the line. Matt should be able to show more than he has regardless of those reps you like to pimp.
 

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Good God! yes!.. ok you're right.. It's totally out of the question for a backup QB to ever come into a game and look anything above average.. I apologize.

So, you apologize and promise never to bring this up again, right? :D
 

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