No excuses for Matt Leinart today

[Shane]

All this means nothing to me. Looked like the Cards usual coasting in the second half after getting a big lead. About the 4th time they've done that this season I think.

Jacksonville, Houston,Chicago and now St.Louis.

Hmmm 3out of 4 had a Matt Leinart appearance??

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

So, you apologize and promise never to bring this up again, right?

Actually I will keep bringing it up.

It just freaking amazes me that some people here expect no more from Matt coming off the bench, than some teams get from a guy who was unemployed a week or two before he had to jump into a new team, new system etc...

 

[Duckjake]

Hmmm 3out of 4 had a Matt Leinart appearance??

Hmmm the Cards have won 5 of their last 6 games that had a Matt Leinart appearance. That's almost as good as Vince Young.

Meanwhile the Bears have lost 5 of their last 6 with Jay Cutler. Guess we know who the better QBs are out of that group. Young and Leinart.

 

[ajcardfan]

Meanwhile the Bears have lost 5 of their last 6 with Jay Cutler. Guess we know who the better QBs are out of that group. Young and Leinart.

Yep, I'd take Vince Young over Cutler too.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think it's a little unfair to judge Matt based on what we've seen thus far this season. I do believe it's very tough to come into the game as the back-up. A more fair assessment can really only be made once he's had a camp as the starter (which of course he has already had... albeit 2 years ago), or at minimum has had a week or two working with the starting offense as the starter heading into a game.
Again, I am the pilot of the anti-Matty bandwagon. I don't believe he will be a legit, NFL-starting QB. Hope I'm wrong for all of our sake... but my gut tells me different. Still, I am going to reserve any further judgements on the kid until he has more of a legit preparation as a starter.

 

[conraddobler]

Modern day discussions of player busts are all about getting it right IMO, just so someone can say see I told you so.

If that floats your boat, sail on.

I called Vince Young a bust and look at him now....

Appears I was right then wrong and now undetermined.

We're not going to have Warner forever, and if you think someone else can pass like he can just look at his replacement in St. Louis.

Yeah they thought they knew what they were doing too.

Warner is the best I've ever seen at timing routes, in a timing offense and even he was rusty until he had reps in it.

But whatever makes people happy.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I don't think it's unfair at all to expect better from Matt than what he has shown.

Does anyone here actually think that a journeyman like Jeff Garcia couldn't come in here with 2 weeks or less of the system under his belt and not move the ball better than Matt?

Is it unfair to expect more than that from the golden boy with years in the system who is not totally unfamiliar with the WR's?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Modern day discussions of player busts are all about getting it right IMO, just so someone can say see I told you so.

If that floats your boat, sail on.

I called Vince Young a bust and look at him now....

Appears I was right then wrong and now undetermined.

We're not going to have Warner forever, and if you think someone else can pass like he can just look at his replacement in St. Louis.

Yeah they thought they knew what they were doing too.

Warner is the best I've ever seen at timing routes, in a timing offense and even he was rusty until he had reps in it.

But whatever makes people happy.

Hard to say anyone is a bust until it's all over... Young is a great example. Who really knows what will come of his career. He has looked improved this year, albeit in still a very unorthodox fashion. He still can't effectively stand in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield. He still has troubles reading defenses... and if not for his Mike Vick-like escapability, he would not be enjoying this type of success and would not at all be a starter. I just don't know where he goes from here. I have doubts...

As for Leinart, I simply have yet to see someone who is of starting NFL quality... He's slow. His reads are poor. His timing is bad. His throws are consistently high and he has a painfully slow release. Hey, who knows... He could prove me wrong one day and honestly, I would LOVE it if he did! But at this stage, I have very, very serious doubts about Matty... had them since the very first second we drafted him and he's done zilcho to change my feelings...

 

[Linderbee]

Does anyone here actually think that a journeyman like Jeff Garcia couldn't come in here with 2 weeks or less of the system under his belt and not move the ball better than Matt?

Does anyone here think it's actually fair to compare Leinart to an 11-year veteran that has ONE HUNDRED more starts than him? Really?

 

[Totally_Red]

Yep, I'd take Vince Young over Cutler too.

I'd take Cutler. I don't think Young has much upside. Given decent coaching Cutler could play at a pro-bowl level. If Chicago is smart, they bring in Mike Shanahan next season.

 

[Shane]

Does anyone here think it's actually fair to compare Leinart to an 11-year veteran that has ONE HUNDRED more starts than him? Really?

When the only excuse for Leinart stinking is # of practice reps and timing with WRs it is absolutely fair.

 

[Linderbee]

When the only excuse for Leinart stinking is # of practice reps and timing with WRs it is absolutely fair.

You make no sense.

# of practice reps directly correlates to # of starts. Therefore, Jeff Garcia has gotten a BUTTLOAD more practice reps with starters in his career. Therefore, not a fair comparison in the least.

I know what you're going to say; you can save your energy if you want. We just, as usual, completely disagree.

 

[Shane]

You make no sense.

# of practice reps directly correlates to # of starts. Therefore, Jeff Garcia has gotten a BUTTLOAD more practice reps with starters in his career. Therefore, not a fair comparison in the least.

I know what you're going to say; you can save your energy if you want. We just, as usual, completely disagree.

You aren't even in the same ballpark. The excuses given is practice time and timing with THESE WRs. When does Garcia have 100 more starts worth of practice time with this group? When has Garcia played in this offensive system that Leinart has been in for 3 seasons? He hasent so regardless of his total NfL time he should be more prepared than Matty.

 

[Linderbee]

You aren't even in the same ballpark. The excuses given is practice time and timing with THESE WRs. When does Garcia have 100 more starts worth of practice time with this group? When has Garcia played in this offensive system that Leinart has been in for 3 seasons? He hasent so regardless of his total NfL time he should be more prepared than Matty.

I told you that you could save your energy...

Getting experience with starting caliber players and practice time over an 11 year period gives you a better chance at success, period. You are being utterly ridiculous to say that they SHOULD be equal.

 

[wilycoyote24]

I'd take Cutler. I don't think Young has much upside. Given decent coaching Cutler could play at a pro-bowl level. If Chicago is smart, they bring in Mike Shanahan next season.

You can't have an absolute immature jerk as a QB and win. Cutler is my least favorite of the three from that draft.

 

[ajcardfan]

Warner has actually played worse at times this season than Leinart did Sunday. And people rushed to bench him and declare him all washed up after each one of those games. So, I can't take all this hand-wringing over Leinart too seriously.

It's a good thing none of us has anything more than an opinion on the matter.

 

[ReddBird]

Look, Cutler's a punk. Even his own teammates seem to know that. I don't have any use for the guy and I absolutely don't want him in Cardinal red.

Young has ability but he's not the football God that the talking heads want him to be. He can run, his arm's decent, and he can make things happen...but he's nothing better than average-good. When the Boo Birds return, I hope he can maintain some balance.

I didn't think that Leinart was a great pick for the Cards but I supported him. He seems to be more mature than Cutler and he has a decent arm. He played well in a system that relied on its two running backs (so, who knows?, things could work out here.)

I hope the Cards sit Warner and give Leinart the entire game against the Titans. If we lose, the team can afford it at this point in the season -- and, after a week of reps, we'll have a better idea about our #2.

 

[Shane]

I told you that you could save your energy...

Getting experience with starting caliber players and practice time over an 11 year period gives you a better chance at success, period. You are being utterly ridiculous to say that they SHOULD be equal.

I find it rediculous that you guys have given Matt a four year pass and don't expect more out of a top 10 pick who is supposed to be this franchises savior and future. 3 years in same system and 4 years throwing to fitz and Q yet still looks miserable.

 

[Doug]

Who is gonna make Warner sit when he feels fine.Wait till the tests come back to even see if he HAD a concussion.He played for 6 more plays till we scored and threw a dart to Boldin while concussed as everyone is talking about concussions in the senate and everywhere.Every head hit is not a concussion.I'm thinking pinched nerve in his neck that he'll bounce back from with the help of our team Chiropractor who's been very busy this season.

We need this win and we need this divison until we know the vikes have locked up the second spot for week one of the playoffs we play every game to WIN IT!!!!

Enough with resting Warner to give Leinart a chance to play.He's the backup.Cutler never had a winning season in college at Vanderbuilt.Yet people liked his skills.If Matt is who coach Whiz wants to lead the CARDINALS after Warner hangs em' up then thats the guy I'm gonna believe in.He won't do it for love or money but for wins,so He'll place his faith in the guy he knows is gonna get us wins and keep his job safe.

If its Matt then fine. Why is the Matt story so fragile and touchy since the day he was drafted there has been an invisible line drawn between him and Warner.Its there still today.Yet many have dropped it and come over to root Warner on to victory with the CARDINALS till he's gone.Many on the other board want Matt no matter what.They don't even post unless Warner has a bad game.It has really become and remains crazytime in the land of the CARDINALS.

I think Matt will need to restructure his high end contract due to lack of playing time and will be there when Warner finishes his career AFTER next season.Even if we WIN IT ALL.Warner will finish his contract he signed.Thats just plain Kurt right there.Thats money his many charities can USE bigtime.Plus he loves his widerecievers and the fact this team has grown and is now believeing.Thats the biggest key.Coach down.

 

[Shane]

Look, Cutler's a punk. Even his own teammates seem to know that. I don't have any use for the guy and I absolutely don't want him in Cardinal red.

Young has ability but he's not the football God that the talking heads want him to be. He can run, his arm's decent, and he can make things happen...but he's nothing better than average-good. When the Boo Birds return, I hope he can maintain some balance.

I didn't think that Leinart was a great pick for the Cards but I supported him. He seems to be more mature than Cutler and he has a decent arm. He played well in a system that relied on its two running backs (so, who knows?, things could work out here.)

I hope the Cards sit Warner and give Leinart the entire game against the Titans. If we lose, the team can afford it at this point in the season -- and,
after a week of reps, we'll have a better idea about our #2.

And Vince Young isn't a whiney little punk himself?

 

[Linderbee]

Maybe we should trade him for Boller. After all, he was a first round draft pick. He managed to go 35-0 and 38-10 in his two starts this season...Maybe that's the kind of production we should expect.

Given Matt a 4 year pass? What did you expect out of him last year? And I'm not talking preseason. Season before, he broke his collar bone. Season before, he did pretty good.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The fact that Jeff Garcia is unemployed at the present time and is even available should say something about any past success he might have had. Further, it seems pointless to discuss it as it is utterly unlikely he would even be considered by the front office, IMO.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

The common excuse for Matt is "not enough reps/time with the first team in our timing based offense"

It's all becoming clear why Steve Young struggled in relief of Montana.

 

[Shane]

Maybe we should trade him for Boller. After all, he was a first round draft pick. He managed to go 35-0 and 38-10 in his two starts this season...Maybe that's the kind of production we should expect.

Given Matt a 4 year pass? What did you expect out of him last year? And I'm not talking preseason. Season before, he broke his collar bone. Season before, he did pretty good.

I expected him to become a legitimate starter in this league and beat out Warner in the pre season. Not only did he not do it he looked terrible against bad teams playing pre season schemes! Were gonna have to agree to disagree that Leinart looked "good" in year one. He showed some flashes sure. But good is not the word I would use.

 

[8ndkorner]

The common excuse for Matt is "not enough reps/time with the first team in our timing based offense"

It's all becoming clear why Steve Young struggled in relief of Montana.

Zinger...