no Haley for AZ per Somers

[BigRedRage]

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic does not expect the Cardinals to re-hire Todd Haley to their offensive staff. Somers: "Talks between the two sides have been amicable, as far as I know, but coming to agreement on a position that meets the Cardinals' needs and matches Haley's career goals has been elusive. It's become clear that coach Ken Whisenhunt doesn't want to make a major shake-up on his offensive staff. He believes in coordiantor Mike Miller, who is not going to be demoted. The only open position, then, is the quarterbacks job, and Haley would fit perfectly into that role. But Haley is a former coordinator and head coach. It's understandable he would want more responsibility than that. Haley also likes Miller, and both sides are sensitive to the possibility of hiring someone who would be perceived as looking over Miller's shoulder."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest

 

[Buckybird]

I believe in Mike Miller also...I believe he sucks!!!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I know I'm one of the Minority but I never wanted him back in the first place.

We need to find a true QB coach. I wonder if Kurt Warner would be willing to dive into coaching?

 

[BigRedRage]

I know I'm one of the Minority but I never wanted him back in the first place.

We need to find a true QB coach. I wonder if Kurt Warner would be willing to dive into coaching?

witht he money he makes to barely work I doubt he will change that and work 14 hour days for us.

 

[Buckybird]

I wonder if Kurt Warner would be willing to dive into coaching?

I think his old lady may have a BIG say in that.

 

[Duckjake]

It's become clear that coach Ken Whisenhunt doesn't want to make a major shake-up on his offensive staff.

I wonder what Whisenhunt is seeing in the offense? Last season was the first time since CKW got the job the offense didn't have at least 3 games where they scored 30 points or more. The 28 vs Carolina was the season high. 2010 they had 9 games where they scored 17 points or less despite having a near record number of returns for TDs.

Interesting to say the least.

 

[Mulli]

I wonder what Whisenhunt is seeing in the offense? Last season was the first time since CKW got the job the offense didn't have at least 3 games where they scored 30 points or more. The 28 vs Carolina was the season high. 2010 they had 9 games where they scored 17 points or less despite having a near record number of returns for TDs.

Interesting to say the least.

If you mean "offense" as in talent, I can see what you mean. The "offense" as in the scheme seemed to work in 2007 to 2009. Maybe that is what Whiz is thinking about consistency in the scheme?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I know I'm one of the Minority but I never wanted him back in the first place.

I'm with you.

 

[Duckjake]

If you mean "offense" as in talent, I can see what you mean. The "offense" as in the scheme seemed to work in 2007 to 2009. Maybe that is what Whiz is thinking about consistency in the scheme?

Could be. Warner and Boldin gone and the oline completely restructured. Also could be a foreshadowing of where the Cardinals are going to focus on personel in free agency and the draft.

 

[Phrazbit]

I am not going to shed any tears over this. He is no miracle worker and owes every dime he made in KC to Kurt Warner.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I can give a little slack for rehiring Grimm, MAYBE...

But what part of Mike miller says the Cards should stick with him after last season..

Was it the fact that they were #24 in rushing? Or maybe the fact that they were #25 in PPG..

They were #19 in YPG, and #22 in total first downs...

In fact the only stat that they were in the top half of the league offensively last year was penalties..

It is such a joke to accept Wiz' opinion that Mike miller did a good job last year and wants to stick with him over a proven option like Haley, or other potential OC's like Hue

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I can give a little slack for rehiring Grimm, MAYBE...

But what part of Mike miller says the Cards should stick with him after last season..

Was it the fact that they were #24 in rushing? Or maybe the fact that they were #25 in PPG..

They were #19 in YPG, and #22 in total first downs...

In fact the only stat that they were in the top half of the league offensively last year was penalties..

It is such a joke to accept Wiz' opinion that Mike miller did a good job last year and wants to stick with him over a proven option like Haley, or other potential OC's like Hue

Cards were 15th in yards per pass and yards per run. A more reflective stat than YPG.

This was a tale of two seasons (1 and 6) & (7 and 2) and the coaches whether on "O" or "D" are being judged by Whiz on the latter.

 

[Dayman]

Is Whis talking about the same Mike Miller who decided to give Anthony Sherman his first career carry on the goal line against the Bengals in the fourth quarter, ultimately leading to a fumble? The same Mike Miller who doesn't seem to understand that Hyphen is more effective when he isn't running up the middle? I just don't see it.

 

[Mitch]

I think that Whisenhunt wants to distance himself as much as possible from Warner and Haley...for he of anyone knows the speculation that Warner/Haley was the special ingredient to the Cardinals' Super Bowl run. Too many egos involved here---I mean how could Haley accept anything short of the OC position? Really.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think that Whisenhunt wants to distance himself as much as possible from Warner and Haley...for he of anyone knows the speculation that Warner/Haley was the special ingredient to the Cardinals' Super Bowl run. Too many egos involved here---I mean how could Haley accept anything short of the OC position? Really.

Couldn't it also be possible that Whiz doesn't want to run off or demote Miller for a guy who he knows full well has aspirations of being a head coach again and thus might leave for another job?

If you like Miller the last thing you want to do is piss him off so he leaves, then Haley takes another job and now you have neither guy.

What Somers wrote implied to me that Haley simply doesn't want to come down too far in title and even he seemed to not want to cause issues with Miller.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I can give a little slack for rehiring Grimm, MAYBE...

But what part of Mike miller says the Cards should stick with him after last season..

Was it the fact that they were #24 in rushing? Or maybe the fact that they were #25 in PPG..

They were #19 in YPG, and #22 in total first downs...

In fact the only stat that they were in the top half of the league offensively last year was penalties..

It is such a joke to accept Wiz' opinion that Mike miller did a good job last year and wants to stick with him over a proven option like Haley, or other potential OC's like Hue

Idk but the Chiefs were 27th in YPG and 31st in PPG? :

 

[Duckjake]

Idk but the Chiefs were 27th in YPG and 31st in PPG? :

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/9/18/2433413/jamaal-charles-injury-kansas-city-chiefs-status-leg

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7265934/kansas-city-chiefs-place-matt-cassel-injured-reserve

The Texans were averaging 27.3ppg when Schaub got hurt. They averaged 16.3 after.

 

[TJ]

I think that Whisenhunt wants to distance himself as much as possible from Warner and Haley...for he of anyone knows the speculation that Warner/Haley was the special ingredient to the Cardinals' Super Bowl run. Too many egos involved here---I mean how could Haley accept anything short of the OC position? Really.

If Whiz wanted to distance himself from Haley, the team would not have interviewed him in the first place for any position. Additionally, I don't think Whiz cares about the perception that Haley/Warner led the team to the Superbowl, which is irrational at best. Whiz cares about putting his team in the best position to win ball games.

You're right about Haley accepting anything less than an OC position. Too much pride.

 

[Duckjake]

If Whiz wanted to distance himself from Haley, the team would not have interviewed him in the first place for any position. Additionally, I don't think Whiz cares about the perception that Haley/Warner led the team to the Superbowl, which is irrational at best. Whiz cares about putting his team in the best position to win ball games.

You're right about Haley accepting anything less than an OC position. Too much pride.

We sure do hear that a lot though. Despite the fact that the team had Fitz and Boldin and EJames and Dockett and Dansby and Wilson and Berry and Okeafor and Rolle. Solid veteran players to complement Warner. Even many of the next tier of players like Gandy and Antonio Smith and Reggie Wells and Brian Robinson were 4,5,6+ year players.

 

[JeffGollin]

I am not going to shed any tears over this. He is no miracle worker and owes every dime he made in KC to Kurt Warner.

Speaking of Warner - I realize Kurt has downplayed the idea of coaching in the past, but that was then and now is now.

D'ja think Kurt might be bored enough with TV commentating to consider developing KK, Skelton and Bartell as QB Coach?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Speaking of Warner - I realize Kurt has downplayed the idea of coaching in the past, but that was then and now is now.

D'ja think Kurt might be bored enough with TV commentating to consider developing KK, Skelton and Bartell as QB Coach?

Interesting that some, not you, who said Miller a 10 year NFL vet was unqualified to coach QB's at this level want Kurt whose never coached a day at any level.

 

[BigRedRage]

Speaking of Warner - I realize Kurt has downplayed the idea of coaching in the past, but that was then and now is now.

D'ja think Kurt might be bored enough with TV commentating to consider developing KK, Skelton and Bartell as QB Coach?

5 mill a year part time tv contract or 500k a year 14 hour days QB contract.

You decide.

 

[Chopper0080]

Couldn't it also be possible that Whiz doesn't want to run off or demote Miller for a guy who he knows full well has aspirations of being a head coach again and thus might leave for another job?

If you like Miller the last thing you want to do is piss him off so he leaves, then Haley takes another job and now you have neither guy.

What Somers wrote implied to me that Haley simply doesn't want to come down too far in title and even he seemed to not want to cause issues with Miller.

Whis is a pretty loyal guy which is why coaches and players seem to respect him. I agree that it is more likely that Whis doesn't want to demote a staff member who has put in time and effort developing into a role for a guy that could bolt for a head coaching job at the drop of a hat. I'm ok with finding a solid Qb coach and moving forward into next year with, hopefully, better personnel.

 

[JeffGollin]

Interesting that some, not you, who said Miller a 10 year NFL vet was unqualified to coach QB's at this level want Kurt whose never coached a day at any level.

The issue isn't purely one of experIence (otherwise every QB coach in the NFL would be a member of AARP).

What's key is: How helpful would the coach be to our QB's. Evidentally, Wiz felt Chris Miller came up short. Now I have no idea whether Kurt would be a good QB coach other than he's walked the walk and been in a couple of Super Bowls. I merely raised the possibility of Kurt's being The Guy.

Incidentally, Arians was just let go by Pittsburgh - hmmm.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The issue isn't purely one of experIence (otherwise every QB coach in the NFL would be a member of AARP).

What's key is: How helpful would the coach be to our QB's. Evidentally, Wiz felt Chris Miller came up short. Now I have no idea whether Kurt would be a good QB coach other than he's walked the walk and been in a couple of Super Bowls. I merely raised the possibility of Kurt's being The Guy.

Incidentally, Arians was just let go by Pittsburgh - hmmm.

Retired was the term used...