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Yuma
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Yeah, the Cardinals have won a Championship!cheesebeef said:
No Kobe now that Nash is signed. Does that make anyone mad?
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Renz
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Yuma said:Yeah, the Cardinals have won a Championship!
SirStefan32
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I am just happy they finally signed somebody.
I am happy to have Nash back in Phoenix.
I am happy to have Nash back in Phoenix.
TRW
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It is quite obvious from this that the Suns had NO other intent than to sign Steve Nash! All of their other talk was insincere and dishonest rhetoric. This is B.S. to the highest degree.
I have been a Suns fan since the beginning. I have stuck with them through the drug years and the mediocre and the best years as well. I am not going to grandstand and say that I will no longer be a Suns fan but this diminishes my zeal and my stomach to support them. This signing absolutely disgusts me!
Steve Nash....what a joke!!!! The Suns have destroyed their next 5 to 6 years as far as the cap with this ridiculous amount of money paid to Mr. Nash. But, the Suns have put themselves in that position for a few years now haven't they?
Steve Nash is no consolation prize, he is NO prize at all. This board will be full of complaints when Steve begins to break down and is making $13 million dollars for nothing about the second season into this deal. He is NOT WORTH THIS MUCH MONEY!!!!!!
<takes a deep breath> Thanks for letting me vent a bit 
I have been a Suns fan since the beginning. I have stuck with them through the drug years and the mediocre and the best years as well. I am not going to grandstand and say that I will no longer be a Suns fan but this diminishes my zeal and my stomach to support them. This signing absolutely disgusts me!
Steve Nash....what a joke!!!! The Suns have destroyed their next 5 to 6 years as far as the cap with this ridiculous amount of money paid to Mr. Nash. But, the Suns have put themselves in that position for a few years now haven't they?
Steve Nash is no consolation prize, he is NO prize at all. This board will be full of complaints when Steve begins to break down and is making $13 million dollars for nothing about the second season into this deal. He is NOT WORTH THIS MUCH MONEY!!!!!!
<takes a deep breath> Thanks for letting me vent a bit
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By the way, it's pretty obvious that Nash only playing 35 minutes a game in Dallas was mainly because they had about a bazillion good guys on that team, a few of which could play point guard as well.
Nash will play a lot more than 35 minutes on this team....probably 40-43 I would think.
Mike
Nash will play a lot more than 35 minutes on this team....probably 40-43 I would think.
Mike
scotsman13
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Chandler Mike said:
mike i think that the suns have barbs and jj who can back up at point. i would be shocked if he gets more 35 a night and more along the lines of 32.
scotsman13
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TRW said:It is quite obvious from this that the Suns had NO other intent than to sign Steve Nash! All of their other talk was insincere and dishonest rhetoric. This is B.S. to the highest degree.
I have been a Suns fan since the beginning. I have stuck with them through the drug years and the mediocre and the best years as well. I am not going to grandstand and say that I will no longer be a Suns fan but this diminishes my zeal and my stomach to support them. This signing absolutely disgusts me!
Steve Nash....what a joke!!!! The Suns have destroyed their next 5 to 6 years as far as the cap with this ridiculous amount of money paid to Mr. Nash. But, the Suns have put themselves in that position for a few years now haven't they?
Steve Nash is no consolation prize, he is NO prize at all. This board will be full of complaints when Steve begins to break down and is making $13 million dollars for nothing about the second season into this deal. He is NOT WORTH THIS MUCH MONEY!!!!!!
<takes a deep breath> Thanks for letting me vent a bit
trw i understand that you feel that you were lead to believe that we would go after someone special but who did you hear it from? not the suns. you heard it from a bunch of media people that guessed on who they think that the suns were going to go after. we dont know what happened when they called kobe (by all accounts they did). we dont know what was said, kobe could have told them to go job in a lake or he could have said, "hey guys thanks for the call but no thanks. i want out from understand shaq not put understand a younger more in shape one in amare." he could have said ok i will take the deal but i want almost of the money up front in a signing bonus to be signed on the 14th and i want to keep that money even if i am convicted. we just dont know what happened. i do believe that the brian trust has proven that they are going and they know what they are doing. so give them a brake.
scotsman13 said:
We'll see I guess...we paid too much money for him to sit for 16 minutes a game...the guy is talented...I don't see why he wouldn't be playing 38-42 minutes a game.
Mike
Chandler Mike said:
Mike, the reason they acquired players like Nick Van Exel and other quality backup point guard is because they did not want Steve Nash to play huge minutes. At the very most I think he will average 35 minutes per game with the Phoenix Suns. He is somewhat fragile, and they won't want to run their new investment into the ground. Besides, as Scotsman pointed out, with Barbosa and JJ they won't need to play him 40 minutes per game.
Joe Mama
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I would still rather see Marbury wearing a Suns jersey more then Nash.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
So would I, but you have to remember that Marbury's contract was horrible, and don't forget about Penny Hardaway and his contract...
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Yuma
Suns are my Kryptonite!
Marbury's contract was horrible because we gave it to him, right?SirStefan32 said:
Chaplin
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Is this board going to be a soapbox all summer for people that didn't like past trades and hate this one? Sure looks like it.
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Chaplin said:
Yep
KloD
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While I am not thrilled about the price paid, I am thrilled that we got a PG of this quality without losing a piece of the team. That does not happen often.
The part that most concerns me is this team has a few years to go and by the time they are ready to "really" compete, Nash will be on the downslope.
Amare has the ability to be great, but I feel many have carved out his place in B-ball hall of fame a little too early.
Does management really think this year or next is ours? I'd love to be wrong, but I don't.
The part that most concerns me is this team has a few years to go and by the time they are ready to "really" compete, Nash will be on the downslope.
Amare has the ability to be great, but I feel many have carved out his place in B-ball hall of fame a little too early.
Does management really think this year or next is ours? I'd love to be wrong, but I don't.
scotsman13
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Does management really think this year or next is ours?
i personally dont think so. this is the answer to turning this team into a winner now (into the playoffs, getting experance) and setting the stage for this team once its core reachs their prime. amare is 21, jj is 23 barbarosa is 21, and lampe is only 19. by the time that nash's contract is up these players will have reached their prime and also the team will have gotten chicagos pick there own couple picks and signed a couple players to MLE. winning is a skill that must be learned and a habit that will take root in this team over the next couple years. barbs will learn how to be a true point under nash and amare will grow into a superstar, but without learning to win now nothing will come out of it.
look at the clippers, they have talent, they have good players, and they have even had some good coaches but they have never learned to win. and that is what this move does for us. it builds the foundation to build a winning team in the long run.
i personally dont think so. this is the answer to turning this team into a winner now (into the playoffs, getting experance) and setting the stage for this team once its core reachs their prime. amare is 21, jj is 23 barbarosa is 21, and lampe is only 19. by the time that nash's contract is up these players will have reached their prime and also the team will have gotten chicagos pick there own couple picks and signed a couple players to MLE. winning is a skill that must be learned and a habit that will take root in this team over the next couple years. barbs will learn how to be a true point under nash and amare will grow into a superstar, but without learning to win now nothing will come out of it.
look at the clippers, they have talent, they have good players, and they have even had some good coaches but they have never learned to win. and that is what this move does for us. it builds the foundation to build a winning team in the long run.
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scotsman13 said:
nice reply, I can't disagree with that.
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this is the answer to turning this team into a winner now (into the playoffs, getting experance) and setting the stage for this team once its core reachs their prime. amare is 21, jj is 23 barbarosa is 21, and lampe is only 19. by the time that nash's contract is up these players will have reached their prime
The problem with this perspective is that Johnson, Barbosa, and Lampe will very likely be gone before Nash's contract is up in 2009 or 2010. It's extremely unusual for role players to stay with one team for that long -- they get traded or signed away by other teams. (Marion is currently the longest-tenured Sun, and he has been with the team all of five years.)
Part of what makes the Kings such an interesting example is how long their core has been together. But they are by far the exception, and now it appears likely that they will be broken up without having achieved their goal.
The problem with this perspective is that Johnson, Barbosa, and Lampe will very likely be gone before Nash's contract is up in 2009 or 2010. It's extremely unusual for role players to stay with one team for that long -- they get traded or signed away by other teams. (Marion is currently the longest-tenured Sun, and he has been with the team all of five years.)
Part of what makes the Kings such an interesting example is how long their core has been together. But they are by far the exception, and now it appears likely that they will be broken up without having achieved their goal.
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That's a very good point. I actually like the fact that we signed nash. Yes that is a lot of money, but maybe just maybe, management is going about building a championshpi by keeping the same players here and not trying to trade for anyone. Chemistry is pretty important and we've got talented people here. We'll see I guess. Learning to win is extremely important and I think nash, that hoser, will help with that. Plus, how many better pointguards can u name in the nba. I can only think of about 2 or 3 and none of them are available (except kidd and his decrepid knees)scotsman13 said:
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Chaplin said:
i agree w/ chap but for one thing, i think he's not a great consolation prize given his contract. i think that's our next albatross waiting to happen as the 30 year old nash continues to age.
also, i'm now under the impression that we were never in the running for kobe considering we offered him the max on the first day and then immediately signed away all of our cap space.
Chaplin
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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
Technically we haven't signed away all our cap space yet. And now we are hearing conflicting reports about what the contract actually is. Can't you at least wait a few weeks before rushing to judgement on something you know nothing about except what the media has spoon-fed you?
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KloD said:
bingo
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scotsman13 said:
excellent counter-argument.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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Chaplin said:
what else do we have to talk about other than what we've been told? so i'm not supposed to "rush to judgment" that his contract is 5 years for $65 despite the fact that every media outlet is reporting that?
also, we now only have the equivalent of, what, a million dollars over the MLE? is that right? so now it doesn't really matter that we have cap space or not 'cuz we're really not in a position to greatly outbid the rest of the league for most talent, right?
not trying to be combative, just seeing if i've got the situation right.
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