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Sorry, but I'm just not that enamored with Whisenhunt as most seem to be. I'm so tired of hearing "in whiz we trust". That ***** is starting to wear on me. It is so effin silly to hear people justify every little thing he does with... "well he knows more than you about football". Obviously he does, but that doesn't mean he is without faults. Every single player stare down he has had he has lost. Boldin, Duece, Matt, Edge and you can even say he lost the battle with Big Ben. Yes it seemed right to get behind him in that battle, but Ben is looking more and more right every time you see what Whiz is doing to Matt.

Boldin and the FO were having their battle and Whiz had to open his effin mouth and basically contaminate the waters to the point of no return.

Edge was a pro's pro but unspectacular, what does Whiz do? He benches him until he realized he screwed up and had to rely on the guy to get the run game out of the toilet.

As for Matt, it has been PROVEN that once this guy is given the reigns unconditionally he has won and yet our genius comes in and immediately starts effin with his head.

Year four and we are still shuffling the Oline and like his predecessor.. he is playing a potential stud of a guard at freaking tackle. He has come up short in FA every year he has been here. No impact players brought in nor any top players retained. Run game is still an issue so he drafts a stud and what does he do? He continually makes the guy second fiddle to a guy he clearly outplayed. Our best Olineman... he trashed him in the media and has him playing the fourth quarter of a meaningless preseason game out of spite and despite the fact that he is outplaying yet another ex-Steelers reject.

Signs an ex-Steelers corner only to trade him back to the steelers a year later all while leaving a gaping hole in the secondary.

Coach is an ex- tight end and yet he can't seem to find a decent one to save his life.

Whiz rode the coattails of a Hall of Fame QB, Hall of Fame WR, a stud WR, a potential hall of fame Safety, and some very good players... none of which he brought in.

Penalties and dumb mental errors, poor clock and game management, suspect gameplans and curious playcalling all still persist and yet we should be happy because we won a weak division.

There's a reason he didn't get the Steelers job and each year it's becoming more and more clear.
 

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Check the wins and losses. All I need to trust the Whiz.

EXACTLY!!! Every year Whis has been associated with the team, our record has improved. You can bitch and moan about whatever noise you want throughout his tenure, but his record doesn't lie, and at this point he's beyond reproach.
 

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Sorry, but I'm just not that enamored with Whisenhunt as most seem to be. I'm so tired of hearing "in whiz we trust". That ***** is starting to wear on me. It is so effin silly to hear people justify every little thing he does with... "well he knows more than you about football". Obviously he does, but that doesn't mean he is without faults. Every single player stare down he has had he has lost. Boldin, Duece, Matt, Edge and you can even say he lost the battle with Big Ben. Yes it seemed right to get behind him in that battle, but Ben is looking more and more right every time you see what Whiz is doing to Matt.

Boldin and the FO were having their battle and Whiz had to open his effin mouth and basically contaminate the waters to the point of no return.

Edge was a pro's pro but unspectacular, what does Whiz do? He benches him until he realized he screwed up and had to rely on the guy to get the run game out of the toilet.

As for Matt, it has been PROVEN that once this guy is given the reigns unconditionally he has won and yet our genius comes in and immediately starts effin with his head.

Year four and we are still shuffling the Oline and like his predecessor.. he is playing a potential stud of a guard at freaking tackle. He has come up short in FA every year he has been here. No impact players brought in nor any top players retained. Run game is still an issue so he drafts a stud and what does he do? He continually makes the guy second fiddle to a guy he clearly outplayed. Our best Olineman... he trashed him in the media and has him playing the fourth quarter of a meaningless preseason game out of spite and despite the fact that he is outplaying yet another ex-Steelers reject.

Signs an ex-Steelers corner only to trade him back to the steelers a year later all while leaving a gaping hole in the secondary.

Coach is an ex- tight end and yet he can't seem to find a decent one to save his life.

Whiz rode the coattails of a Hall of Fame QB, Hall of Fame WR, a stud WR, a potential hall of fame Safety, and some very good players... none of which he brought in.

Penalties and dumb mental errors, poor clock and game management, suspect gameplans and curious playcalling all still persist and yet we should be happy because we won a weak division.

There's a reason he didn't get the Steelers job and each year it's becoming more and more clear.
You mean the HOF that was on the scrap heap and no one wanted? Not every move a coach makes is going to be right, but I'll put Whiz's record so far against anybody's. How many years in a row did the Cards draft in the top 10 before he came along?
 
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Absolutely. 100 %.
I would love to hear what exactly he has done that has been so outstanding. What has he brought to the table that was not already here developing, and or what or who has he coached up?

Just to recap. Penalties, playcalling, clock mismanagement, and oline are all still issues even in year four.
 
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So what I've heard so far is that he's better than the previous coaches.
 

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It's all about wins and losses.That's all that matters and Whiz has done that better than any other Cardinals coach. In college, I can't stand Jim Tressel, but i'm not thinking he should be canned or question many of his moves because the guy constantly wins and plays in big bowl games. He obvioulsy knows what he's doing.
 

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Please explain. What is he better at?

Pretty much everything. Personnel, scheme, scouting free agents, drafting, being assertive with the GM about who he wants on HIS team (by example of his latest contract). Ohhh and winning ball games.

I know it has been a long time since we've been irrelevant, but it's refreshing to have a coach that actually cares about winning.
 

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Please explain. What is he better at?

Winning games, or do you think the last 3 seasons were just luck?

I realize many of the key players were drafted by Denny Green, but Green proved he wasn't the guy, he left a very dysfunctional team, and Whiz put it back together.

I agree he's not perfect but I can't fault him for deciding Kurt was better than Matt, I didn't think so at the time but look at what Kurt did when he got the job, impossible to argue with.

It's not clear to me Matt has lost the job now, I don't think he has yet, so I don't see the point in reacting to something that hasn't happened yet.
 

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You asked if Whiz made the difference. If you go by what you said in your own post he road the coattails of players he did not bring in. Meaning, he did make the difference and that is why they've been successful.
 

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Some valid points Clif but he has been the best coach here in along time people aren't going to jump on your bandwagon until things start going south.
 
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TJ please list an example of any instance in which Whiz has made a great personnel decision?

Russ you and Stew are basically saying the same thing. Sorry but the Rams are a disaster. They have won a total of 6 games over the past 3 years. The Seahawks had a lame duck coach and GM... and an idiot last year. The main competition coming from the 49ers who even with all their turmoil still beat the Cards twice last year and are poised to overtake them this year.

My point with the coattails comment was that. Damn near every player that the Cardinals leaned on over the last 2 years outside of Breaston was already on the team prior to Whiz. The same problems associated with this team 4 years ago... still plagues them. Can we not say that this team improved simply because they've been together for so long?

Correct me if i'm wrong but I do believe the decision was fairly simple in going with Kurt. IIRC Warner was benched in 06 due to turnovers. Matt came in played ok but got hurt. Kurt came back and in 2007 Matt got hurt again and Kurt finished out the year throwing for like 300 yards every game to end the year. 2008 Matt effs up in Oakland and Kurt never looks back.
 

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Clif, his regular season record is 27-21, postseason 4-2. Deal with it. He chose to play Warner (who had lost the job under Green by making big mistakes) even though he inherited Leinart as the starter. He has added depth and quality throughout the roster. The Steelers didn't even make the playoffs last year, they did not get the better coach.
 
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Some valid points Clif but he has been the best coach here in along time people aren't going to jump on your bandwagon until things start going south.

Not really trying to get people to denounce him or anything like that. I'm just tired of him getting a free pass and every player that disagrees with him or leaves is portrayed as selfish, sorry, or greedy.

There's no question that his record as mediocre as it is.. is better than his predecessors, but I think circumstances have been more accomodating than we want to realize.
 

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TJ please list an example of any instance in which Whiz has made a great personnel decision?

Russ you and Stew are basically saying the same thing. Sorry but the Rams are a disaster. They have won a total of 6 games over the past 3 years. The Seahawks had a lame duck coach and GM... and an idiot last year. The main competition coming from the 49ers who even with all their turmoil still beat the Cards twice last year and are poised to overtake them this year.

My point with the coattails comment was that. Damn near every player that the Cardinals leaned on over the last 2 years outside of Breaston was already on the team prior to Whiz. The same problems associated with this team 4 years ago... still plagues them. Can we not say that this team improved simply because they've been together for so long?

Correct me if i'm wrong but I do believe the decision was fairly simple in going with Kurt. IIRC Warner was benched in 06 due to turnovers. Matt came in played ok but got hurt. Kurt came back and in 2007 Matt got hurt again and Kurt finished out the year throwing for like 300 yards every game to end the year. 2008 Matt effs up in Oakland and Kurt never looks back.

Sorry Clif, that's just loser talk. For every team that's ever been successful, you can go back and come up with examples of ridiculous luck or good fortune, but this is a results world. You can criticize Whis and nit pick any number of things that he's done, but clearly you can't see the forest through the trees.

Whis is a winner, and has been literally the best thing that has ever happened to the team.
 
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