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And you don't think 8-8 with Home: 6-2. Away: 2-6 is mediocre?
Still don't think 9-7 with a 3-5 road record while getting absolutely trounced down the stretch is mediocre?

10-6 is decent, but we all know this team isn't even as talented as the one last year.

Can't and won't dispute going to the superbowl, but are we any closer to winning a superbowl today than say 2 years ago?

Clif, you are my guy, but by saying Whiz is mediocre, you are disputing the Superbowl. Short term, Cards arent closer, I say long term they are WAY closer than when he was hired.

27-21. Two straight division titles. Two straight years, winning games in the playoffs.

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It's long been my opinion that personel moves certainly have not been Whisenhunt's strong point. Whether he is 100% to blame for that or not is certainly debatable but I don't think anyone can agrue that the true core players of the teams that have had success so far during Whisenhunt's tenure were aquired before he ever came here. Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Wilson, Dockett, Dansby, Rolle, Berry, Hayes, Lutui, and perhaps a couple more guys were all here prior to coach Whis. The cupboard was anything but bare when he came to town.

All credit to him for getting these guys to produce towards the bottom line in a way his predessors were unable to... BUT this year may be the first where the core group of players are guys Whis actually brought in under his watch. We'll see what happens. I don't know for sure how much say Whis has in aquiring talent but I just have not been anywhere near impressed by the personel moves that have been made since Whis has been brought on board. If we can win with these guys I will give all credit to Kenny Whis.
 
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You dont think the talent on this roster has improved since he got here? WOW! No use debating with you.

Do I think the 2010 roster is better than 2006? Yes barely. 2007? No, or 2008? No. 2009? No.
 

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It's long been my opinion that personel moves certainly have not been Whisenhunt's strong point. Whether he is 100% to blame for that or not is certainly debatable but I don't think anyone can agrue that the true core players of the teams that have had success so far during Whisenhunt's tenure were aquired before he ever came here. Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Wilson, Dockett, Dansby, Rolle, Berry, Hayes, Lutui, and perhaps a couple more guys were all here prior to coach Whis. The cupboard was anything but bare when he came to town.

All credit to him for getting these guys to produce towards the bottom line in a way his predessors were unable to... BUT this year may be the first where the core group of players are guys Whis actually brought in under his watch. We'll see what happens. I don't know for sure how much say Whis has in aquiring talent but I just have not been anywhere near impressed by the personel moves that have been made since Whis has been brought on board. If we can win with these guys I will give all credit to Kenny Whis.

Pretty good point D, however, what about Breaston, Campbell, DRC? Toler looks like he's coming on strong. Rashad Johnson as well... Hightower? Beanie??
 

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Do I think the 2010 roster is better than 2006? Yes barely. 2007? No, or 2008? No. 2009? No.

Who are you and what have you done with the old Clif?

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Also:
Early Doucet looked pretty awesome against the number 1 defense Packers in the playoff game.
 

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I think we need to stop getting Pittsburg castoffs but other than that I don't see a dropoff in talent comming into our system under Whiz.

He's a solid coach, but I didn't like how this team quit all the time the year we went to the Super Bowl, still he got there, it was a pretty amazing year for ups and downs.

I have a real bad feeling about this year, it's been getting worse daily, I do not expect to win the division now, I expect we'll be 2nd and sitting at home come playoff time.
 

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Pretty good point D, however, what about Breaston, Campbell, DRC? Toler looks like he's coming on strong. Rashad Johnson as well... Hightower? Beanie??

To me Breaston has hands down been Whis' best draft choice. Kudos to Whis for that one. I do think Stevie benefitted greatly from playing with Fitz, Boldin and Warner but still no arguement, he is awesome. Hightower is a pretty good one too. Brown was the #5 overall pick and has been pretty damn disapointing. DRC was a solid pick as was Wells. I EXPECT big things from those guys as I kind of judge 1st rounders on a different curve. It's my opinion that at minimum you should be getting guys that will be solid contributors with those picks so I can't say that any #1's Whis has brought in have completely blown me away yet. Campbell is a stud for sure. But along those same lines, he was a #2 pick. Toler and Johnson have done jack squat.

FA signings under Whis have been downright scary. Gandy, Morey and maybe Rod Hood are probably the best of the lot in 3 seasons. Hopefully Porter and Faneca can reverse that trend but I certainly have my doubts. Like I said before if Whis can produce a winner out of this group I will give him full credit.

Whis is the greatest coach in the state of AZ history. I am not joking.

You are right no doubt but when you think about it how much is that really saying? He's better than Vince Tobin?
 
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What can't I see? This team is mediocre and they have been mediocre since the day he took over.

This statement is so stupid it doesn't even deserve a response.
 
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Guess you're right.

Ill bite...let's fire Whisenhunt tomorrow...WAIT...lets just do it tonight and get it over. Because afterall, he is a mediocre coach and has done nothing to resurrect a once inept franchise.

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Yeah, cuz that's exactly what I said... or even alluded to. Every time someone questions or even disagrees with the almighty he is immediately ridiculed. I said I wasn't enamored. He has made more than a couple of questionable moves and inherited a hall of fame QB and a roster full of young talent that happened to have been together for a few years. They finally hit it right and played .500 ball. Now the the coach is a saint even to the point that a mediocre team is being celebrated.

Let's be real for a minute. This team got HAMMERED in the divisional round last year and we ain't even as good. We traded a decent corner to start a 2nd year fourth round pick from nowhere state.

We lost our starting LB and all around playmaker and replaced him with a journey man backer who couldn't hack it on a 2 win team.

We cut our former first round pick safety and traded for a model. ( ;) )

Our hall of fame QB retired and we went into a new season with our young qb as the starter, but gave him 6 preseason drives to replace him with a guy who got beat out by brady freakin quinn.

We got this stallion in the garage that was averaging 4.5 yards a pop, but we told him to play in the second half of a preseason game because he can't catch.

We traded a stud WR and replaced him with a tiny receiver that can't catch a lick.

Oh and did you notice we drafted another mediocre tight end? Is this like his pet project?
 
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This statement is so stupid it doesn't even deserve a response.


How? 8-8 is the epitome of mediocre! They went 9-7 and got absolutely destroyed in a couple of those games. Come on. The Superbowl was a fun ride but this team was and is not a great team.
 

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To me Breaston has hands down been Whis' best draft choice. Kudos to Whis for that one. I do think Stevie benefitted greatly from playing with Fitz, Boldin and Warner but still no arguement, he is awesome. Hightower is a pretty good one too. Brown was the #5 overall pick and has been pretty damn disapointing. DRC was a solid pick as was Wells. I EXPECT big things from those guys as I kind of judge 1st rounders on a different curve. It's my opinion that at minimum you should be getting guys that will be solid contributors with those picks so I can't say that any #1's Whis has brought in have completely blown me away yet. Campbell is a stud for sure. But along those same lines, he was a #2 pick. Toler and Johnson have done jack squat.

FA signings under Whis have been downright scary. Gandy, Morey and maybe Rod Hood are probably the best of the lot in 3 seasons. Hopefully Porter and Faneca can reverse that trend but I certainly have my doubts. Like I said before if Whis can produce a winner out of this group I will give him full credit.

Wasn't Haggans and Ben Graham Whiz FA signings?
 

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Clif, the last time I checked the HC doesn't make every single decision that goes in to building a football team. Thats why it's called an organization!!! Do I agree with how he has handled the Leinart situation recently? Absolutely not!!! While I agree with some of the things you say, calling the team & Wiz mediocre is insane.
 

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Wasn't Haggans and Ben Graham Whiz FA signings?

Ok, my bad, you got me there lol... Actually Graham is pretty awesome. But when you are talking about a punter as one of the top FA aquisitions of a HC's tenure to me that doesn't reflect to kindly on the moves he's made.
 

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Ok, my bad, you got me there lol... Actually Graham is pretty awesome. But when you are talking about a punter as one of the top FA aquisitions of a HC's tenure to me that doesn't reflect to kindly on the moves he's made.

Well, I did point out more than just Graham... But yea - let's hope Porter, Faneca, Rhodes and of course Anderson make Whiz look like a genious!!!
 

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I don't understand how anyone could be so mad at a coach for replacing a QB who has been a scrub for his entire career(it's the absolute truth) aside from that one decent year he had for a rookie.

Matt Leinart's poor mans impression of Kyle Orton won't win us any games in the future.
 

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Sorry, but I'm just not that enamored with Whisenhunt as most seem to be. I'm so tired of hearing "in whiz we trust". That ***** is starting to wear on me. It is so effin silly to hear people justify every little thing he does with... "well he knows more than you about football". Obviously he does, but that doesn't mean he is without faults. Every single player stare down he has had he has lost. Boldin, Duece, Matt, Edge and you can even say he lost the battle with Big Ben. Yes it seemed right to get behind him in that battle, but Ben is looking more and more right every time you see what Whiz is doing to Matt.

Boldin and the FO were having their battle and Whiz had to open his effin mouth and basically contaminate the waters to the point of no return.

Edge was a pro's pro but unspectacular, what does Whiz do? He benches him until he realized he screwed up and had to rely on the guy to get the run game out of the toilet.

As for Matt, it has been PROVEN that once this guy is given the reigns unconditionally he has won and yet our genius comes in and immediately starts effin with his head.

Year four and we are still shuffling the Oline and like his predecessor.. he is playing a potential stud of a guard at freaking tackle. He has come up short in FA every year he has been here. No impact players brought in nor any top players retained. Run game is still an issue so he drafts a stud and what does he do? He continually makes the guy second fiddle to a guy he clearly outplayed. Our best Olineman... he trashed him in the media and has him playing the fourth quarter of a meaningless preseason game out of spite and despite the fact that he is outplaying yet another ex-Steelers reject.

Signs an ex-Steelers corner only to trade him back to the steelers a year later all while leaving a gaping hole in the secondary.

Coach is an ex- tight end and yet he can't seem to find a decent one to save his life.

Whiz rode the coattails of a Hall of Fame QB, Hall of Fame WR, a stud WR, a potential hall of fame Safety, and some very good players... none of which he brought in.

Penalties and dumb mental errors, poor clock and game management, suspect gameplans and curious playcalling all still persist and yet we should be happy because we won a weak division.

There's a reason he didn't get the Steelers job and each year it's becoming more and more clear.

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I would love to hear what exactly he has done that has been so outstanding. What has he brought to the table that was not already here developing, and or what or who has he coached up?

he taught this team... the worst in all professional sports... to believe in itself. That alone is HOF worthy. Any guy that takes the laughingstock of pro sports to within 34 seconds of the Super Bowl AND follows it up with taking the team back to the playoffs (which is UNHEARD OF for Super Bowl losers) has done something INCREDIBLY special.

that doesn't mean I endorse everything he does. He's got me scratching my head A TON this off-season, but the above can not be denied. Changing a culture of losing... the biggest culture of losing in NFL history within two years is an incredible achievement.
 

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ok so after a few hours of sleep let me clarify my thoughts. it is clear that this team is better than the previous incarnations prior to 2007. and the super bowl run can not be ignored or diminished, but I still argue that year 4's team is not significantly better than year 1. also I have yet to hear anyone refute the notion that this team has not improved in discipline, clock management, or play calling. this team still commits a high level of dumb penalties and the offensive line is still a mess. depth is still an issue.
 
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defense is still a sieve. running game still ranks at the bottom of the league and once again we have a qb controversy.
 

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defense is still a sieve. running game still ranks at the bottom of the league and once again we have a qb controversy.

.........and yet he will find a way to get this team to win.
 
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