Not excited about Reid

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't know why, but the potential hiring of Reid doesn't have me very excited at all. I just don't think he has the passion or fire anymore. Is he doing like all the other old timers, Emmit Smith, Joey Porter, etc., and just going to Arizona to ride it out until retirement?

People get on Whiz for not winning without Warner, yet, once Reid lost McNabb, the Eagles have been on a downward spiral. On one hand, you can't argue with his winning record. On the other hand, is he burned out?

Another thought is, could Reid be doing like agents did in the past and be using Arizona as leverage to find a job he prefers. I doubt that's the case, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Usually I'm excited and have lots of thoughts on who the next HC should be, but this time, it's meh. Maybe it's because of the terrible season or maybe it's because I don't think they'll get a better HC than they just let go. I'm more interested in who the new GM will be because I think they will have the bigger impact.

The one coaching hire that would get me excited would be Marrone. Of course, he's never even garnered a mention in Arizona. If asked who my top 3 choices would be, it would be Marrone, then I don't really have a choice afterwards. There's nobody out there that wows me or I think is an upgrade.

 

[Shane]

His most recent success or lack there of is very scary. Especially considering all the talent he had on that team. So much so that many many many experts picked them to win the SB the last couple of years. Yet they were plain awful. Very hypocritical around here for sure especially for those that say they would love to land him but hated Whiz. He certainly isn't an exciting pick and could very well be washed up.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

His most recent success or lack there of is very scary. Especially considering all the talent he had on that team. So much so that many many many experts picked them to win the SB the last couple of years. Yet they were plain awful. Very hypocritical around here for sure especially for those that say they would love to land him but hated Whiz. He certainly isn't an exciting pick and could very well be washed up.

Very true. I don't think it's a stretch to say Philly was a significantly more talented team than the Cards, yet they are drafting ahead of them this April and the Cards played a tougher schedule. People complained that the team quit on Whiz yet the Cards played a respectable game in SF while the Eagles were blown out 42-7 by the non-playoff Giants.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Count me in on this bandwagon.

Not a fan of Reid.

 

[Shane]

Very true. I don't think it's a stretch to say Philly was a significantly more talented team than the Cards, yet they are drafting ahead of them this April and the Cards played a tougher schedule. People complained that the team quit on Whiz yet the Cards played a respectable game in SF while the Eagles were blown out 42-7 by the non-playoff Giants.

All true. The talent on that team overall is totally ahead of the Cards and they were awful. Not only drafting before us but we also kicked their freaking tail. In fact Whiz head to head owned Andy Reid.

 

[schutd]

Same boat. But if they go this route, Ill get on the Reidwagon. No choice.

 

[Napier]

I don't like the thought of Reid either; in fact, it is a bit scary to think that is the direction we are looking. I don't like the fact that he took Vick to Philly, and I certainly don't want Vick, or the hype/controversy surrounding Vick, anywhere near the Cardinals.

 

[Totally_Red]

I'm not excited about Andy either. I'd much rather go in the Mike McCoy or Ray Horton direction. If Ray Horton is the choice, I'd pray for Norv Turner as offensive coordinator.

Several commentators say Andy needs to take a year off and come back fresh. He appears burnt out right now. One positive about Andy, he would dramatically improve the way we draft. He has been one of the best at accumulating draft choices and moving up or down to acquire preferred players similar to Bill Belichek.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Count me in on this bandwagon.

Not a fan of Reid.

Not a big fan either.

I can see why MB would go that route. It would fill seats and give us credibility. But would we win with Reid?

 

[sportznutt]

Well, I'll jump in as devil's advocate for this thread

I'm excited about Andy Reid. His team was supposed to be better than they were this season, but they lost significant time due to injuries. Vick, McCoy, DeSean, Maclin, Celek all got injured or played injured at some point during the season. They also lost a lot of playing time to their offensive line. Despite all of that, they still gained almost 100 y/pg more than we did and scored 69 more points.

Defensively, I don't have too much to defend. They underperformed, got old and just flat out sucked. Reid was proactive in addressing this situation by firing Castillo, but never quite recovered from the death of Jim Johnson. Perhaps he can address this, or Horton can remain DC (although not likely IMO).

I'll say it again, Reid brings credibility to a franchise that has none. We've been the laughingstock of the league for years. Nobody ever really chooses to play here unless money is the key, and, despite making it to the SB a few years ago, we've slowly regained that reputation back. By having Reid, he will give us an opportunity to sign free agents who otherwise wouldn't come here in the first place.

 

[CtCardinals78]

His most recent success or lack there of is very scary. Especially considering all the talent he had on that team. So much so that many many many experts picked them to win the SB the last couple of years. Yet they were plain awful. Very hypocritical around here for sure especially for those that say they would love to land him but hated Whiz. He certainly isn't an exciting pick and could very well be washed up.

I don't disagree and those are my concerns as well, but the Eagles were hit hard by injuries the last couple of years, the same reason that some were using to justify Whisenhunt's abysmal record this past season.

There are real concerns with hiring Reid, but that can be said with just about any new coach that's hired. The key will be the staff that's put in place. Enough people are left on the D coaching staff that even if Horton left someone like Townsend could step in as DC. If Reid were to come here and if he were to bring a staff that closely mimicked his 2002 staff the Cardinals could very well be competitive again fairly quickly.

 

[Buckybird]

Count me in as #7.
Maybe Reid needs a new scene to get him motivated, but I'm very skeptical. I know this sounds crazy, but I also see his dramatic weight gain as a concern like a person who rested on his laurels & possibly health concerns.

 

[Zeno]

I don't really get this kind of thinking. He is a better coach than Jeff Fisher and people were gushing about him being hired by the Rams last year.

A couple of things with Reids teams he always seems to have a solid staff (with maybe one or 2 exceptions--Castillo standing out to me) and he gets production out of QBs (even medicore ones like Feeley).

I'd be much more comfortable with him as head coach going in to next season than Ray Horton, we have no idea what kind of offensive staff Horton would put together and that scares me.

 

[sportznutt]

For those that don't want Reid, because he struggled the past 2 seasons, who is your better choice and why?

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I'm not excited about Andy either. I'd much rather go in the Mike McCoy or Ray Horton direction. If Ray Horton is the choice, I'd pray for Norv Turner as offensive coordinator.

Several commentators say Andy needs to take a year off and come back fresh. He appears burnt out right now. One positive about Andy, he would dramatically improve the way we draft. He has been one of the best at accumulating draft choices and moving up or down to acquire preferred players similar to Bill Belichek.

I agree with you. Not at all excited with Andy Reid. Denny Green was successfull in Minnesota before coming to the Cardinals. Look how that turned out. Would rather have a hungry guy with something to prove such as Horton or McCoy.

 

[sportznutt]

But do they have any HC experience?

Everyone said in my one thread they don't want to lose right away, yet they want a coach who has no experience coaching.

 

[Zeno]

I agree with you. Not at all excited with Andy Reid. Denny Green was successfull in Minnesota before coming to the Cardinals. Look how that turned out. Would rather have a hungry guy with something to prove such as Horton or McCoy.

In what way are Green and Reid similar aside from them both being former Head Coaches? Belichek, Coughlin, Holmgren and others were all former Head Coahhes who went on to have success with a different team...also being former head coaches hasn't stopped teams from hiring guys with less success like Fisher and Carroll.

He isn't Norv Turner who hasnt been a good HC depsite multiple stops or a Dave Wannstedt. Reid has 3 losing seasons and 9 playoff appearances in 14 seasons as a head coach.

 

[D-Dogg]

I am perfectly fine with Reid. I prefer McCoy, but Reid is solid. The Denny comparisons do not fly. Denny couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag and didn't know x and o football. He knew talent, and had good OC's to coach the talent. He didn't have that here. Reid knows x and o. Sucks at clock management, but knows how to call a game.

 

[D-Dogg]

During his 14-year tenure, Reid has compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history. He captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. During this period, no other franchise earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7) and only Bill Belichick's New England Patriots exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6). Reid also sent 19 players to 44 Pro Bowl appearances, the highest total for any team in the NFL during that period. None of these players had ever appeared in a Pro Bowl before Reid was hired.

Solid.

 

[Totally_Red]

For those that don't want Reid, because he struggled the past 2 seasons, who is your better choice and why?

Mike McCoy! He has shown incredible ability the last two years to take the available talent and create productive offense. Andy Reid may or may not be able to immediately make the offense productive. I don't have that doubt with Mike McCoy. I also worry that Andy will screw up the defense.

ESPN said McCoy was everybody's second choice last season. He would be a nice pick to jumpstart the offense IMO. {But as always I defer to Larry's choice.}

 

[D-Dogg]

BTW, the debacle of Reid's last three years compared to the debacle of Whis last three years:

Reid - 10-6, 8-8, 4-12. 1 playoff appearance
Whis - 5-11, 8-8, 5-11. 0 playoff appearances (and it took a wild win streak to get the 8-8)

You could easily say both coaches lost their teams.

They both have warts. I think Reid is a good offensive fit for our roster and will fix our QB position over time, as well as the oline and running game.

 

[Redheart]

Reminds me of when Denny Green broke out his charts showing his "winning" record.

By then, he had jumped the shark and was more interested in chilli dogs and fishing.

I think Reid has jumped the shark, too.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I don't think you guys have to worry. This smells like the Manning deal last year......trump up interest and raise the stakes.

 

[Totally_Red]

Reminds me of when Denny Green broke out his charts showing his "winning" record.

By then, he had jumped the shark and was more interested in chilli dogs and fishing.

I think Reid has jumped the shark, too.

It is concerning what has happened in Philly the last two years. I don't see any other team out there beating down his door. I have really mixed feelings about Andy. I'd rather go McCoy or Horton, but Andy is not Denny Green IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For those that don't want Reid, because he struggled the past 2 seasons, who is your better choice and why?

I've stated the guy I want, Doug Marrone from Syracuse. He brought that program from the depths of terribleness, has developed a young QB, his teams play extremely hard, he's 48 and has upward mobility, he has a NFL pedigree, he was the OC in New Orleans under Payton, and he has the endorsements of Parcells, Payton, and Loomis. Besides those things I don't like the guy .