Not excited about Reid

[Chopper0080]

Has everybody forgotten what happened the last time we took on a fat Beagles cast off?

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This might be the dumbest post of the day. How are the two related in any way other than body type and the team coached for? They were years apart and in no way affliated to each other.

 

[D-Dogg]

This might be the dumbest post of the day.

The day is young, yo.

 

[Totally_Red]

Has everybody forgotten what happened the last time we took on a fat Beagles cast off?

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I'm trying- thank you very little.

 

[kerouac9]

Danny Watkins failing hurt. Brandon Graham never developed.

Since 2006 the Eagles have had 67 draft picks and they have used 25 (37%) of those on either offensive line (12), defensive line (10) or QBs (3). Even in the past three draft, the Eagles have used 13 of their 33 draft picks (39%) on OL (5), DL (6), and QBs (2). Not to mention them acquiring Michael Vick, Jason Babin, Jason Peters, Daryl Tapp and turning FA Evan Mathis into a Pro Bowl OG.

Things just didn't pan out for Reid. They drafted Danny Watkins to upgrade at OG, hasn't panned out. They signed Michael Vick, started great but turned into a turnover machine. Signed Demetress Bell to fill in for Jason Peters, he fell on his face. Lost their starting C to IR early. DRC showed what he is as a player. Asomugha proved to be done despite the entire league chasing him. Jason Babin went from a double digit sack guy to a liability in two seasons. Maclin and Desean Jackson have both missed time.

Shane, you are correct in that some of these issues are self made, but you aren't seeing that just as many are bad luck. In the end, I choose to put my money into the 10 years of success vs. the 2 years of poor results, even if those are the most recent.

I don't think Brandon Graham is done. Jason Babin got released so that Graham could get PT, and he responded with 4 sacks in the last six weeks of the regular season. He's not going to be Jason Pierre-Paul, but he could still turn out to be okay.

 

[SECTION 11]

I would expect Philly to blast Reid right now, but this is certainly an interesting read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ayes__Andy_Reid__Do_your_homework__Cards.html

 

[Phrazbit]

I would expect Philly to blast Reid right now, but this is certainly an interesting read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ayes__Andy_Reid__Do_your_homework__Cards.html

The red flags are all over the place on Andy Reid.

 

[crisper57]

The red flags are all over the place on Andy Reid.

But he only has a 32% success rate on challenges...

 

[Red Dawn]

I would expect Philly to blast Reid right now, but this is certainly an interesting read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ayes__Andy_Reid__Do_your_homework__Cards.html

That article makes Reid look pretty bad, shades of the Cards providing Buddy's kids with their first NFL jobs.

One thing about the "dream team", from a fans perspective it seemed to me they had a bunch of "me" guys on both sides of the roster. When things in a game started going bad there was no cohesiveness. I don't know if Reid could do anything about that, or if it just an overlooked aspect of bringing in a bunch of prima donna free agents that never gel together.

I still like Reid, but would be just as happy with the other hot candidates.

 

[Phrazbit]

But he only has a 32% success rate on challenges...

Well done

 

[Totally_Red]

I would expect Philly to blast Reid right now, but this is certainly an interesting read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ayes__Andy_Reid__Do_your_homework__Cards.html

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If Andy is the choice, a strong and competent general manager needs to be in place IMO.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

McCoy - cause he has shown to be able to adapt a successful offensive system to the players he has, and not try to find players to fit into his system. After the ridiculousness with Whiz, I am skeptical of any coach that has a very strict requirement of the "type" of player he needs. Whiz had 6+ years to get "his players" and they never ended up being what he needed.

Horton - His success speaks for itself. His ability to motivate players speaks for itself. His demeanor, and PR savy is what I like in a head coach.


I just think the NFL game has passed Reid by. He is another coach that needs "his type of player" in order to fit into "his system". Reid has struggled mightily since McNabb, Jim Johnson, John Runyan, and Tre Thomas left Philly. His draft picks as of late have been extremely poor, and his play calling is atrocious.

Living in the Philly area, there is no escaping watching, and talking Eagles football. Reid WAS a good coach, but I think he spread himself too thin in Philly, and thus the game passed him by.

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To me the situation is very close to when the organization picked Kevin Kolb up as their QB. They needed to do something, they did. It was not my first choice, but I couldn't argue the move.

I think the game has passed Reid by. When I hear about the praise Reid gets, I think about the praise that Whiz has been receiving. Both are "good football coaches" yet both were just fired, and their teams were a laughing stock last year.

If Andy Reid comes here, I will say "It could have been, or could be a lot worse" and hope I am dead wrong. I would LOVE for Reid to come in and turn things around. Absolutely love it.

But, IMHO, that won't be the case.

Reid is an "offensive" coach and has always had a good offense even including last year. Whiz is also an "offensive" coach who had the worst offense in the NFL this year and a terrible offense every year since Warner left. Just about every QB that Reid has plugged into his offense has done a solid job or better and he has a very good knack for finding "his players". His problem last year was the defense and whether we are able to keep Horton or not we will still have the players in place to have a good defense.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That article makes Reid look pretty bad, shades of the Cards providing Buddy's kids with their first NFL jobs.

One thing about the "dream team", from a fans perspective it seemed to me they had a bunch of "me" guys on both sides of the roster. When things in a game started going bad there was no cohesiveness. I don't know if Reid could do anything about that, or if it just an overlooked aspect of bringing in a bunch of prima donna free agents that never gel together.

I still like Reid, but would be just as happy with the other hot candidates.

Also factor in that especially on the defense they had a lot of players that had a lot of hype (Nnamdi anyone?), but flat out sucked once they were in the limelight that is Philly.

 

[CtCardinals78]

The more and more I'm thinking about this the more and more I'm starting to cool as Reid as HC.

 

[Longcolts]

So am I. I think I'm beinning to fall into the Horton should be our next HC camp.

 

[kerouac9]

I would expect Philly to blast Reid right now, but this is certainly an interesting read:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...ayes__Andy_Reid__Do_your_homework__Cards.html

I'm cool on Andy Reid, but this is an ugly story from an ugly media market. Not even an attempt to get comment from outside the organization. Hanging Vick's, Celek's, and McCoy's concussions around Reid's neck just isn't fair. It's the NFL, these guys are professionals. Should the Cards have sat Fitz once they were down by 10+ points in every game because it was then effectively over?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

There are definitely pros & cons to hiring Reid, so I understand where Shane & Dr. are coming from. Living in York, PA, I've watched plenty of Eagles games during Reid's tenure. Let's not forget just how bad the Eagles were before Reid. They were a laughingstock of a franchise. He turned them around almost immediately. And he did it with a vastly overrated McNabb at QB. Being a Syracuse guy, I knew McNabb's shortcomings. He was wildly erratic & very innacurate. The beauty of Reid's system is that it is a very, very QB friendly system. QB's thrive in his system & then struggle when they leave. That is NOT a knock on Reid. Quite the contrary. If he had a Manning, Rodgers, or Brady, he would have won many multiple SB's.

Pros
1. Very friendly QB system. Has made average QB's (McNabb, Vick, Garcia) look very good. In a QB driven league, that is reason enough to hire him! Vick struggled the most because he's dumb as a rock & a turnover machine.
2. Great x's & o's guy. Learned from the Walsh system. His teams have ALWAYS moved the ball. Even this year's team moved the ball with an injury crippled OL, RB & QB. They didn't win SB's because McNabb couldn't finish drives like the great QB's do, especially in crunch time.
3. Has always had a great eye for RB's. He found Westbrook, who was tiny & played at Villanova. He turned him into a perennial pro bowler. He did the same with Duce Staley. LeSean McCoy was highly regarded, but he has even done better than NFL experts thought he would do.
4. Would bring a great staff with him here. No HC in Cardinal history was afforded that.

Cons
1. Not a great motivator, never was & never will be. He has to win right away or his teams will quit on him.
2. Can he be reinvigorated. He's only 54, but seems older. Eagles teams looked very bored the last 2 years.
3. Personal problems at home. He's lost one son & his other son has issues also.
4. High risk/reward hire. If he succeeds, the Cardinals can be very good in short order. If he fails, it's back to square 1.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except for that sentence. In three of his 5 non winning season his team got more than half of their total wins in the second half of the season. I don't personally know to much about his motivational skills, but those numbers by definition would say that his players don't just quit on him when the going gets tough. Not saying the never quite and not saying they didn't quit on him this year, but I certainly wouldn't say it is a trend.

1999: Season record 5-11, 3-5 in second half of season.
2007: Season record 8-8, 5-3 in second half of season and won last 3 games of the season.
2011: Season record 8-8, 5-3 in second half of season and won last 4 games of the season.
2005: They started the season 4-2 then lost 2 to get to 4-4, McNabb got hurt in the ninth game and they lost that game by one point and they played a lot of close games the rest of the year, but only won 2 of their last 8.
2012: 1-7 in second half of season with out Vick for most of those games. Played some close games with Foles starting, but were outmatched in quite a few games.

 

[azsouthendzone]

This thread should be renamed the Ken Whisenhunt Fan/ Glutton for Punishment Club

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

So am I. I think I'm beinning to fall into the Horton should be our next HC camp.

I love Horton!..as a defensive coordinator. Not saying he won't be a good head coach and it would hurt to lose him as the DC, but we still have the players in place on defense to be a pretty solid unit with or without Horton.

If we were in a situation where the offense was good, but the defense sucked I would be all over him being the HC, but it isn't that way. This offense was the worst in the NFL last year and even though there may be some chance that we get someone like Norv Turner to be our OC I think it is much more likely to get a good OC to be our HC.

If I could get a guarantee that with Horton as our HC we would also get a really good offensive mind to be our OC I would be completely cool with that, but there is no guarantee on that happening.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Based on Jurecki's tone, and I trust Jurecki, it seems like this isn't happening. It could be just me though.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Based on Jurecki's tone, and I trust Jurecki, it seems like this isn't happening. It could be just me though.

What's not? Horton as HC or Reid a HC? I was listening a few minutes ago but an away from my radio.

The impression I got from Jurecki is that he's not sold on Horton getting a HC gig and the Cards could hedge their bets with that assumption go after Reid and keep Horton as DC. I may have misinterpreted though.