Not excited about Reid

[Jetstream Green]

I agree with you. Not at all excited with Andy Reid. Denny Green was successfull in Minnesota before coming to the Cardinals. Look how that turned out. Would rather have a hungry guy with something to prove such as Horton or McCoy.

Then by the same token with all the doubts just listed about Reid, I would say he is hungry to prove something as well

 

[D-Dogg]

He's interviewing with KC today.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I'm not excited about Andy either. I'd much rather go in the Mike McCoy or Ray Horton direction. If Ray Horton is the choice, I'd pray for Norv Turner as offensive coordinator.

I prefer this...

 

[MrYeahBut]

I think it works both ways. I can see Reid looking at film of the Cards offense from the last couple years and say... holy crap, they want me to fix this???? This would be the end of my career!!!

 

[TruCard]

How can you guys not be happy with a coach like Andy Reid? His credibility is through the roof. Players will now have more interest in coming here because he is the coach. As bad as our offense was and is, why wouldn't you want a master of the West Coast Offense running the team? This is what the Cardinals need. A great offensive mind with the credibility to draw key players. I was convinced that Horton was sure to land this gig but when you have a chance at a guy like Reid, that's hard to pass up.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

For those that don't want Reid, because he struggled the past 2 seasons, who is your better choice and why?

McCoy - cause he has shown to be able to adapt a successful offensive system to the players he has, and not try to find players to fit into his system. After the ridiculousness with Whiz, I am skeptical of any coach that has a very strict requirement of the "type" of player he needs. Whiz had 6+ years to get "his players" and they never ended up being what he needed.

Horton - His success speaks for itself. His ability to motivate players speaks for itself. His demeanor, and PR savy is what I like in a head coach.


I just think the NFL game has passed Reid by. He is another coach that needs "his type of player" in order to fit into "his system". Reid has struggled mightily since McNabb, Jim Johnson, John Runyan, and Tre Thomas left Philly. His draft picks as of late have been extremely poor, and his play calling is atrocious.

Living in the Philly area, there is no escaping watching, and talking Eagles football. Reid WAS a good coach, but I think he spread himself too thin in Philly, and thus the game passed him by.

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To me the situation is very close to when the organization picked Kevin Kolb up as their QB. They needed to do something, they did. It was not my first choice, but I couldn't argue the move.

I think the game has passed Reid by. When I hear about the praise Reid gets, I think about the praise that Whiz has been receiving. Both are "good football coaches" yet both were just fired, and their teams were a laughing stock last year.

If Andy Reid comes here, I will say "It could have been, or could be a lot worse" and hope I am dead wrong. I would LOVE for Reid to come in and turn things around. Absolutely love it.

But, IMHO, that won't be the case.

 

[Chopper0080]

The only question I can see about Andy Reid is his drive. Is he burned out? Does he have the fire to turn this franchise back around?

As far as the rest, I don't see where the questions come from. Reid has been very successful for over a decade. He has a QB friendly offense and believes in building up the offensive and defensive lines. He was one of the pioneers of the NFL's shift to more of a passing league. He has consistently developed young talent on the team. Has he made some poor personnel choices? Yeah, and I would caution Bidwill giving him the same power in AZ. In the end, Reid missed on a QB once in 12 years banking on Michael Vick which is what got him fired.

Either two things happen if he hire Andy Reid. One, he is recharged by the new challenge presented in Arizona and turns this franchise around. Two, he is still emotionally burned out from his family issues and his tenure in Philly, and mails it in.

I look at what Shanahan did in Washington after getting run out of Denver (similar to how Reid got axed in Philly) and I think that good coaches are good coaches. Sometimes they get burned out or complacent in certain situations and a change can make a big difference. Personally, I think hiring Andy Reid is one of the few areas where we end up better at head coach than we were when we had Whis.

 

[devilalum]

McCoy - cause he has shown to be able to adapt a successful offensive system to the players he has, and not try to find players to fit into his system. After the ridiculousness with Whiz, I am skeptical of any coach that has a very strict requirement of the "type" of player he needs. Whiz had 6+ years to get "his players" and they never ended up being what he needed.

Horton - His success speaks for itself. His ability to motivate players speaks for itself. His demeanor, and PR savy is what I like in a head coach.


I just think the NFL game has passed Reid by. He is another coach that needs "his type of player" in order to fit into "his system". Reid has struggled mightily since McNabb, Jim Johnson, John Runyan, and Tre Thomas left Philly. His draft picks as of late have been extremely poor, and his play calling is atrocious.

You would hope this would reflect in the interview process.

"The cupboard is bare, we need to rebuild, this is how I would do it..." (glass half empty)

or

"If we utilize the talent we have in a different way we can be successful..." (half full)

 

[azsouthendzone]

130-93-1

That is all.

 

[Shane]

The guy took arguably the most talented roster in the NFL the last two years and coached their asses into the ground. That really cant even be argued.

Those of you citing a decade of success etc... This is a what have you done for me lately league. Thats like saying why the hell diid Jerry Jones replace Tom Landry back in the day etc.... The game passes people by happens all the time. Andy Reid is by no means a sexy pick.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Horton will not stay on this team if we hire a HC the likes of McCoy. If we get anyone other than Reid we have no chance of retaining Horton.

Reid can legitimately say to Ray.... "I want you to be my assistant head coach. And will look to you to completely own the defensive side of the ball. You will have a say in the room on draft day, and will be considered with the highest degree of respect on all football matters with this team. I will groom you to become a HC in this league, and expect you to find, teach, and groom your inevitable replacement on my staff. I have been waiting for someone to be the next Jim Johnson on my staff and you are it. Now, take this pile of money."

There is no way we keep Horton (unless we make him HC) if we choose any of these jabroni coordinators.

 

[Shane]

Horton will not stay on this team if we hire a HC the likes of McCoy. If we get anyone other than Reid we have no chance of retaining Horton.

Reid can legitimately say to Ray.... "I want you to be my assistant head coach. And will look to you to completely own the defensive side of the ball. You will have a say in the room on draft day, and will be considered with the highest degree of respect on all football matters with this team. I will groom you to become a HC in this league, and expect you to find, teach, and groom your inevitable replacement on my staff. I have been waiting for someone to be the next Jim Johnson on my staff and you are it. Now, take this pile of money."

There is no way we keep Horton (unless we make him HC) if we choose any of these jabroni coordinators.

You are saying this assuming Horton actually gets a job offer as HC. He may. He may not just like K9 has said its no foregone conclusion. If he doesn't he stays and is the DC. Doesn't really matter who the HC is? I highly doubt that any HC is going to insist Horton has to leave with how he has this D playing.

 

[crisper57]

His most recent success or lack there of is very scary. Especially considering all the talent he had on that team. So much so that many many many experts picked them to win the SB the last couple of years. Yet they were plain awful. Very hypocritical around here for sure especially for those that say they would love to land him but hated Whiz. He certainly isn't an exciting pick and could very well be washed up.

He's had bigger things weighing on him the last few years. His family tragedy probably took his heart out of football for a while. I'd like to think that a fresh start in a new place is just what he needs to get the fire back. I'll be happy with Reid, especially if he can eek some more flashes of decency out of Kolb the second time around.

 

[Shane]

He's had bigger things weighing on him the last few years. His family tragedy probably took his heart out of football for a while. I'd like to think that a fresh start in a new place is just what he needs to get the fire back. I'll be happy with Reid, especially if he can eek some more flashes of decency out of Kolb the second time around.

Sorry but its an excuse. With that talent he should be able to coach them to MUCH better than 8-8 and 4-12 and playing disgraceful football. Even with his tragedies.

 

[Dr. Jones]

You are saying this assuming Horton actually gets a job offer as HC. He may. He may not just like K9 has said its no foregone conclusion. If he doesn't he stays and is the DC. Doesn't really matter who the HC is? I highly doubt that any HC is going to insist Horton has to leave with how he has this D playing.

I don't think Horton is leaving. In fact, I have been saying it for a while now. That doesn't mean he will not have to have someone massage his ego after he returns.

Can you honestly expect him to respect the coach, team, and organization if he is passed over by another coordinator with credentials similar to his?

I can't see that lasting very long or going smoothly for anyone.

 

[Chopper0080]

The guy took arguably the most talented roster in the NFL the last two years and coached their asses into the ground. That really cant even be argued.

Those of you citing a decade of success etc... This is a what have you done for me lately league. Thats like saying why the hell diid Jerry Jones replace Tom Landry back in the day etc.... The game passes people by happens all the time. Andy Reid is by no means a sexy pick.

The guy a had a turnover machine QB who looked great but then the league adjusted to him. Vick, no surprise, never adjusted. They had a defense who their coach made a poor decision in moving an OL coach over to the defense in order to allwo them to hire Howard Mudd. They also play in arguably the toughest division in football.

Look, no coach is available because they just won the Super Bowl. Most coaches available either got too much control and made a mistake which got them fired OR have no actual experience and is a total gamble. Cowherd just made a great point on the radio that Belichick, Shanahan, Gruden, and Coughlin all won Super Bowls with their SECOND team they coached. Does Andy Reid come with risks? Sure, but less risks than those who do not have any head coaching resume.

 

[crisper57]

Sorry but its an excuse. With that talent he should be able to coach them to MUCH better than 8-8 and 4-12 and playing disgraceful football. Even with his tragedies.

It is an excuse, but a valid one. Until any of us lose a child, we will never know what he went through or how it hollowed him out.

But back to football. I think Andy never recovered after Jim Johnson died. He's never had a decent defense to compliment all those offensive weapons since then. If he could somehow keep Horton, well he might just find that magic again. Fingers crossed at least.

The ultimate sin Reid committed as a coach was moving Castillo from OL Coach to DC. That personnel move was just as bad as any Whiz ever made, so it does make me pause.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The guy took arguably the most talented roster in the NFL the last two years and coached their asses into the ground. That really cant even be argued.

Those of you citing a decade of success etc... This is a what have you done for me lately league. Thats like saying why the hell diid Jerry Jones replace Tom Landry back in the day etc.... The game passes people by happens all the time. Andy Reid is by no means a sexy pick.

He went to the playoffs more recently.
His passing offense was top 13 last year.
His running offense was top 13 last year.
He has a successful history of developing QB's.
His drafts have been very good at all levels. McCoy, Jackson, Brown, Cox, etc.

Who do you want Shane?

 

[Totally_Red]

McCoy - cause he has shown to be able to adapt a successful offensive system to the players he has, and not try to find players to fit into his system. After the ridiculousness with Whiz, I am skeptical of any coach that has a very strict requirement of the "type" of player he needs. Whiz had 6+ years to get "his players" and they never ended up being what he needed.

Horton - His success speaks for itself. His ability to motivate players speaks for itself. His demeanor, and PR savy is what I like in a head coach.


I just think the NFL game has passed Reid by. He is another coach that needs "his type of player" in order to fit into "his system". Reid has struggled mightily since McNabb, Jim Johnson, John Runyan, and Tre Thomas left Philly. His draft picks as of late have been extremely poor, and his play calling is atrocious.

Living in the Philly area, there is no escaping watching, and talking Eagles football. Reid WAS a good coach, but I think he spread himself too thin in Philly, and thus the game passed him by.

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To me the situation is very close to when the organization picked Kevin Kolb up as their QB. They needed to do something, they did. It was not my first choice, but I couldn't argue the move.

I think the game has passed Reid by. When I hear about the praise Reid gets, I think about the praise that Whiz has been receiving. Both are "good football coaches" yet both were just fired, and their teams were a laughing stock last year.

If Andy Reid comes here, I will say "It could have been, or could be a lot worse" and hope I am dead wrong. I would LOVE for Reid to come in and turn things around. Absolutely love it.

But, IMHO, that won't be the case.

One of the biggest issues with Andy is the way he has screwed up the defense. That unit has really gone south in recent years. He has not put the right coaches in place and they have spent big on talent like Babin and Asoghmua (sp.) with little to show for it. What is to say he won't screw up our defense over the next couple years like he did Philly's? That has to be a concern IMO.

Philly thrived over the years in large part due to Jim Johnson's defense, even more so than Andy's offense. When the defense fell apart, so did Philadelphia's team and record.

I'm not convinced Andy is the silver bullet who leads us to the Promised Land. He was a good coach who has fallen on hard times. Buyer beware!

 

[Shane]

He went to the playoffs more recently.
His passing offense was top 13 last year.
His running offense was top 13 last year.
He has a successful history of developing QB's.
His drafts have been very good at all levels. McCoy, Jackson, Brown, Cox, etc.

Who do you want Shane?

1. Three season ago is an eternity in this league and not really an argument for his hire. JMO

2 & 3. Yet still nowhere in the top 10 and an overall team record of 12-20 during that span.

4. Who? Besides Donovan Mcnabb who is his only jewel in his career that I can really think of. So are you citing Kolb as a good QB developed by Andy?

5. His drafts do seem good. Yet still 12-20 hmmmm

6. I would rather hire Horton to run the ship or get a good young up and comer. Dont want a retread who clearly coached a team that tons of NFL "experts" called the most talented team in football the last 2 years into the ground. HEck the guy couldn't even beat Ken Whisenhunt teams with zero offense with all that talent.

His choice of a 25 year OL coach as a DC is reason enough to steer clear on Andy. It doesnt get much more crazy than that.

 

[crisper57]

1. Three season ago is an eternity in this league and not really an argument for his hire. JMO

2 & 3. Yet still nowhere in the top 10 and an overall team record of 12-20 during that span.

4. Who? Besides Donovan Mcnabb who is his only jewel in his career that I can really think of. Hes been out of the league for 2 year and was horrible before that. So are you citing Kolb as a good QB developed by Andy?

5. His drafts do seem good. Yet still 12-20 hmmmm

6. I would rather hire Horton to run the ship or get a good young up and comer. Dont want a retread who clearly coached a team that tons of NFL "experts" called the most talented team in football the last 2 years into the ground. HEck the guy couldn't even beat Ken Whisenhunt teams with zero offense with all that talent.

His choice of a 25 year OL coach as a DC is reason enough to steer clear or Andy. It doesnt get much more crazy than that.

Max Hall, Derek Anderson, Trading Boldin, benching everyone on the team at some point, keeping Grimm employed, drafting Levi over AP, what else am I missing?

 

[Chopper0080]

1. Three season ago is an eternity in this league and not really an argument for his hire. JMO

2 & 3. Yet still nowhere in the top 10 and an overall team record of 12-20 during that span.

4. Who? Besides Donovan Mcnabb who is his only jewel in his career that I can really think of. So are you citing Kolb as a good QB developed by Andy?

5. His drafts do seem good. Yet still 12-20 hmmmm

6. I would rather hire Horton to run the ship or get a good young up and comer. Dont want a retread who clearly coached a team that tons of NFL "experts" called the most talented team in football the last 2 years into the ground. HEck the guy couldn't even beat Ken Whisenhunt teams with zero offense with all that talent.

His choice of a 25 year OL coach as a DC is reason enough to steer clear or Andy. It doesnt get much more crazy than that.

He got draft picks trading McNabb, AJ Feely, and Kevin Kolb. Obviously he did something to these QBs to make other NFL teams give up valuable draft picks for them. Just saying.

 

[Shane]

He got draft picks trading McNabb, AJ Feely, and Kevin Kolb. Obviously he did something to these QBs to make other NFL teams give up valuable draft picks for them. Just saying.

And all have been borderline horrible to just mediocre after leaving. So to cite him developing QB's as some great trait is far from accurate when he really only has one on his resume that I know of.

 

[Dr. Jones]

He develops them for his system. And it works. When they leave, they haven't been great, but that is not the point.

Here is what you need to know about him and QB Development: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/737877-philadelphia-eagles-coach-andy-reid-is-an-absolute-quarterback-guru

He wasn't in the top 10 on offense LAST YEAR.

2011 - #8 overall
2010 - #3 overall
2009 - #5 overall
2008 - #6 overall

The guy runs an explosive, time-test, PROVEN, offensive system. It has produced many QB's. Some better than others, and they have succeeded in his system.

Does Whiz choosing Bill Davis mean he can no longer be considered for a HC job in your eyes? We all know Horton was not his first choice. Or his second for that matter. Davis - Butler - Horton.

 

[binkar]

Here we go again... Jason Cole thinks Reid is using the Cardinals as leverage.

https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/status/286494936331853824
https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/status/286491933084377089