Now about the pf position. . .

[leclerc]

Robyn's been coming back from back injury. About the worst injury you can have as a ball player. Remember Grandma Larry Johnson before he broke his back. That guy was a beast. I should say the back issue has set Robin back quite a bit. Hope it grows and he can get a second wind.

I'd like to trade for a PF and pick up a SG in the draft.

And we can never have enough (3pt) shooters.

 

[dodie53]

let's trade for Amare
hehe

 

[overseascardfan]

Thompson would be great, but what will we give up for him?

I would trade anyone on our roster they would want. Lopez, Warrick, Dudley, Childress. I would even swap VC's contract and take on Dalembert's contract to get him.

 

[SirStefan32]

I would trade anyone on our roster they would want. Lopez, Warrick, Dudley, Childress. I would even swap VC's contract and take on Dalembert's contract to get him.

I don't know about that 2nd part.

 

[Irish]

Before we get carried away, we need to keep certain factors clear:

1. Vice Carter has limited trade value: He can be showcased, but the size of his contract will limit his immediate value to that of an expiring contract. In any case, this is a position that needs to be filled next season.

2. Preparing for Hill leaving limits the Sun's options. He seems ageless, but at 38 clearly he is always at risk for retirement. Having guys like Petrus and Childress is a form of an insurance policy for when he does.

3. Drafting for a prospect level PF does not gain much if Leval and Collins or Silar prove out. We can't count on any of these guys, but not ignore them either.

 

[AzStevenCal]

3. Drafting for a prospect level PF does not gain much if Leval and Collins or Silar prove out. We can't count on any of these guys, but not ignore them either.

I think you spelled Silar's name wrong - it's Sylar. Now, assuming he still retains the ability to channel the power of others, I'm hoping he can do a Karl Malone or maybe even a Tim Duncan. I don't know the Leval guy.

Steve

 

[DeAnna]

I've yet to be impressed by Robin Lopez - he's terrible. Even the new guy, Gortat, got 3x the minutes he did in the game vs Clippers.

 

[overseascardfan]

I don't know about that 2nd part.

If we trade Lopez, we will need a C, Gortat cannot be the only one on the roster and Frye is a PF. Plus Daly's contract may be a little steep but he is not a complete waste of space, he can rebound and block shots and is only 29. If given enough minutes he can be extremely productive.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If we trade Lopez, we will need a C, Gortat cannot be the only one on the roster and Frye is a PF. Plus Daly's contract may be a little steep but he is not a complete waste of space, he can rebound and block shots and is only 29. If given enough minutes he can be extremely productive.

Frye is a better backup C than Lopez. If we can get something of value for him, esp a pf. I do it. Frye can backup both positions.

 

[Covert Rain]

Frye is a better backup C than Lopez. If we can get something of value for him, esp a pf. I do it. Frye can backup both positions.

That is true but it might get a little difficult with the minutes and you would have to play stretches of small ball which I hate. If Gortat goes to the bench, you would slide Frye to Center bring in Akim. Now we are back to small ball. Even though I agree with you that Frye appears to be a better Center then Lopez, that lineup gets real small. I want to get as far away from small ball as possible. If we could get another big body for Lopez I am all for it.

Make it happen.

 

[slinslin]

Frye is a better backup C than Lopez. If we can get something of value for him, esp a pf. I do it. Frye can backup both positions.

Frye is not a better starting or backup center than Lopez.

At best he is a PF.

Besides Lopez is clearly more talented than Gortat. Gortat is a role player. Lopez is a role player too but has a lot more upside.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Frye is not a better starting or backup center than Lopez.

At best he is a PF.

Besides Lopez is clearly more talented than Gortat. Gortat is a role player. Lopez is a role player too but has a lot more upside.

I disagree with everything in this post excwpt the words "lopez is a role player"

 

[slinslin]

Gortats career high for points is 16 (Lopez high is 30). Second, he has scored in double figure in 14 games in his career of a total of 176. For comparison, Lopez scored double figures in 23 of 51 games.

Lopez is a true 7-footer. Gortat is barely 6'11.

Lopez is just 22. Gortat is already 26.

Lopez has had a dissapointing season so far but he is clearly much more talented.

Frye is not a center. He has no inside game, no strength, can't defend, cant rebound. Frye's natural position is PF.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I disagree with everything in this post excwpt the words "lopez is a role player"

+1. As for upside, I think we have a fairly good idea of Frye's ceiling and he's probably pretty close to it. We really have no idea about Gortat or Robin's ceiling. Hopefully, they both have a lot of upside but it's also quite possible that Robin has reached his ceiling. And right now, Frye isn't just a little better than Lopez, he's much, much better. That's one of the reasons our future doesn't look very bright. On a good team, Frye would be a number 7 or number 8 guy and Robin would be DNP most nights.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Gortats career high for points is 16 (Lopez high is 30). Second, he has scored in double figure in 14 games in his career of a total of 176. For comparison, Lopez scored double figures in 23 of 51 games.

Lopez is a true 7-footer. Gortat is barely 6'11.

Lopez is just 22. Gortat is already 26.

Lopez has had a dissapointing season so far but he is clearly much more talented.

Frye is not a center. He has no inside game, no strength, can't defend, cant rebound. Frye's natural position is PF.

Not really. In the NBA game, he really doesn't have a natural position. He's a hybrid of all three and falls short at each position in some key areas. He gives good effort and I think he has decent value even at his salary level but we need him out there too much. He ought to be playing a more traditional role down low on the nights his shots aren't falling but Lopez has been such a disappointment that we can't afford to use Frye that way.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Frye's natural position is SF. Except most SFs are tougher than him and are willing to drive to the rim. Some even post up something Frye needs to learn.

 

[Covert Rain]

Gortats career high for points is 16 (Lopez high is 30). Second, he has scored in double figure in 14 games in his career of a total of 176. For comparison, Lopez scored double figures in 23 of 51 games.

Gortat has also been a backup behind the the best Center in the NBA. He unlike Lopez has never had the opportunity to start on a regular basis.

He averages fewer points but that will change with starters minutes. His point production per minute is better then Lopez. Gortat averages 16.1 Points per 48 while Lopez is at a pathetic 11.2 pointer per 48 with the opportunity to start.

He averages the same amount of Rebounds per game while almost playing on average 5 less minutes per game.

Now lets talk about minutes. Gortat has always been a backup versus Lopez having over 30 starts last year and several this year yet Robin is only averaging 5 minutes more per game because he plays himself out of every game.

Lopez is a true 7-footer. Gortat is barely 6'11.

And yet Gortat plays more above the rim and has similar #'s being a backup versus a starter in Lopez. Gortat is also considered a very good defender. You know...the thing Lopez was suppose to be but so far has not been.

Lopez is just 22. Gortat is already 26.

Wow...4 entire years older. Who cares. Having a young craptastic Lopez is still craptastic no matter what his age.

Lopez has had a dissapointing season so far but he is clearly much more talented.

On what planet? Where is this talent? Are you seeing the same player I am? He is worse then Stat at rebounding. He is a 7 footer that plays below the rim and averages 5 rebounds per game which is horrible. He can't stay on the floor and has been given plenty of time to prove otherwise IMO.

Frye is not a center. He has no inside game, no strength, can't defend, cant rebound. Frye's natural position is PF.

True. Yet if you look at his #'s while playing the backup at center, his #'s are better then Lopez.

 

[Chaplin]

Frye's natural position is SF. Except most SFs are tougher than him and are willing to drive to the rim. Some even post up something Frye needs to learn.

Geez, no he's not. Come on now. This is getting ridiculous. He might be a mediocre PF, but he's not a SF. He's NEVER played that position in his entire life.

 

[TBaslim]

Keep Lopez and Gortat. Perish the thought of having two real centers on the roster.

Gortat should get better playing more minutes in a system that suits his style.

Lopez should get better because he is young. Most centers (like most PGs) take a long time to mature into the NBA game. My big concern with Robin is not his ability to get better, but his health. I would only trade him if it's clear his back is going to be a problem the rest of his career. Or as part of a package for a superstar starting PF (not a average PF).

 

[BC867]

Keep Lopez and Gortat. Perish the thought of having two real centers on the roster.

Gortat should get better playing more minutes in a system that suits his style.

'Agree. But not just more minutes. More minutes with Nash to take advantage of the pick-and-roll potential.

 

[sunsfan88]

Geez, no he's not. Come on now. This is getting ridiculous. He might be a mediocre PF, but he's not a SF. He's NEVER played that position in his entire life.

What's the position for a player who only chucks 3s and does nothing else? And even at 3pt shooting he's over rated only shooting 36% from down town.

It may not be SF but I think that's the closest thing. Maybe SG...

 

[AzStevenCal]

What's the position for a player who only chucks 3s and does nothing else? And even at 3pt shooting he's over rated only shooting 36% from down town.

It may not be SF but I think that's the closest thing. Maybe SG...

Oh come on, he does a lot more than shoot 3's. As a matter of fact, so do most small forwards. But to sort of answer your question, I'm not sure what you call a tall player that shoots a lot of threes - I'll give Sam Perkins a call and ask him.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Oh come on, he does a lot more than shoot 3's. As a matter of fact, so do most small forwards. But to sort of answer your question, I'm not sure what you call a tall player that shoots a lot of threes - I'll give Sam Perkins a call and ask him.

Steve

Like what? Play good defense? No... Pump fake and get good looks? No... Post up? Hell no... Rebound? Eh 6 a game but considering his size and the minutes he plays, he should be getting A LOT more.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Hey, maybe we can work a trade with Orlando for Earl Clark. Dude has 10 points tonight, and counting...

 

[AzStevenCal]

Like what? Play good defense? No... Pump fake and get good looks? No... Post up? Hell no... Rebound? Eh 6 a game but considering his size and the minutes he plays, he should be getting A LOT more.

His defense is much better than last year. He does occasionally pump fake and take an easier shot. His job in the offense is to set up at the 3 point line which makes it a bit tough to post up. And yes, he should be averaging more than 6.2 rebounds per game. However, you keep singling the guy out while ignoring the fact that nobody on our team rebounds well. You also ignore that his spot on the floor limits his potential for offensive rebounds.

Look, I'm not trying to make the case that Frye is a good center or a good power forward. However, you keep trying to make the case that he is a small forward because of the "big man" things he doesn't do while completely ignoring the small forward things he also doesn't do.

Steve