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[Goldfield]

You heard it here first. This is my sleeper team, then the Spurs...

 

[scotsman13]

so you believe that kmart is a superstar that can lead the nuggs to a championship?

i dont think that martin is a better player then marion. i dont believe that melo will end up being more then then a crying little high scoring brat, who will be a poor mans clyde drexler (never able to win a championship by himself). denver can be a 6th to 8th and maybe move into the second round of they get lucky in the first round of the playoffs. but they dont have the depth, defense or solid outside shooting to make it past that. devners believes that the answer to their problems is to take advanage of the mile high city by running other teams into the ground. and while this work during the season it falls in the playoffs when you can take advanage of o2 drinks and other training techs to help set up your team. when your teams main battle plan fails you have to hope that your players are more skilled then the other teams players
amare > kmart
marion=melo (melo is a better scorer but doesnt have marions all round game)
jake< camby
nash > miller
jj > lenard

bench
suns > denver

coach
i'll call this one a wash right now because denvers coach is in danger of loosing his job right now.

 

[NugzFan]

You heard it here first. This is my sleeper team, then the Spurs...

lol. i wish. this is crazytalk. (unless your plan was to jinx them...well good job mister! now we WONT win the title!)

 

[NugzFan]

so you believe that kmart is a superstar that can lead the nuggs to a championship?

i dont think that martin is a better player then marion. i dont believe that melo will end up being more then then a crying little high scoring brat, who will be a poor mans clyde drexler (never able to win a championship by himself). denver can be a 6th to 8th and maybe move into the second round of they get lucky in the first round of the playoffs. but they dont have the depth, defense or solid outside shooting to make it past that. devners believes that the answer to their problems is to take advanage of the mile high city by running other teams into the ground. and while this work during the season it falls in the playoffs when you can take advanage of o2 drinks and other training techs to help set up your team. when your teams main battle plan fails you have to hope that your players are more skilled then the other teams players
amare > kmart
marion=melo (melo is a better scorer but doesnt have marions all round game)
jake< camby
nash > miller
jj > lenard

bench
suns > denver

coach
i'll call this one a wash right now because denvers coach is in danger of loosing his job right now.

im so glad that games arent played on paper.

i swear, EVERY team that does this positional matchup with us, always ends up saying that their team is better. wed be at best, the 12-13 seed in the west, if this is how the game worked.

 

[jf-08]

You heard it here first. This is my sleeper team, then the Spurs...

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[scotsman13]

im so glad that games arent played on paper.

i swear, EVERY team that does this positional matchup with us, always ends up saying that their team is better. wed be at best, the 12-13 seed in the west, if this is how the game worked.

dont get me wrong. i like most of denver line up (besides melo, i think he is a little crybaby). i think that denver is in much better shape then houston who is going to fall on their backsides hard and fast with tmac, yoa and lue (i would say that houston is my favorite to shock everyone by falling out of the playoffs).

there are 3 young teams that i think are going to be the big boys in a couple years. the suns (i believe have the most raw talent), denver (if they got a solid 3 pt shooter at the 2 they can move up big time), and utah (they are young, play as a team and have a very good coach, to bad they dont have a real star player, or an eviroment to really pull in the top free agents).

of these 3 team i think that the suns stand the highest for one main reason. amare is a low-post player. and one of the rare players who will work his backside off till he reaches the top. melo is good and so is boozer but they dont stack up to amare.

 

[George O'Brien]

Denver certainly looks like a playoff team. They do not appear to be close to the Spurs and Wolves or even a healthy Kings team. But after that, it looks wide open with a huge number of teams capable of finishing fourth or not making the playoffs with just one injury.

 

[NugzFan]

dont get me wrong. i like most of denver line up (besides melo, i think he is a little crybaby). i think that denver is in much better shape then houston who is going to fall on their backsides hard and fast with tmac, yoa and lue (i would say that houston is my favorite to shock everyone by falling out of the playoffs).

hope so. they got yao and tmac but not much else.

there are 3 young teams that i think are going to be the big boys in a couple years. the suns (i believe have the most raw talent), denver (if they got a solid 3 pt shooter at the 2 they can move up big time), and utah (they are young, play as a team and have a very good coach, to bad they dont have a real star player, or an eviroment to really pull in the top free agents).

and memphis.

of these 3 team i think that the suns stand the highest for one main reason. amare is a low-post player. and one of the rare players who will work his backside off till he reaches the top. melo is good and so is boozer but they dont stack up to amare.

you being a suns fan has nothing to do with it?

you see amare vs kmart or amare vs boozer.

i see kmart/nene/camby/elson vs amare/voskuhl/cabarkapa/lampe

 

[Cheesebeef]

Melo = Marion? Jeez - do I have to get into it with you like I did with Slin on that other horrible thread? Homerism's one thing - but statements like the above are just lunacy IMO.

 

[George O'Brien]

Melo = Marion? Jeez - do I have to get into it with you like I did with Slin on that other horrible thread? Homerism's one thing - but statements like the above are just lunacy IMO.

I don't think Melo is better than Marion either. Maybe someday, but not now.

This is simply the same run around. There is some kind of mystique about guys who are great one on one scorers. Other than the fact that he scores more on a team that does not a strong low post offense, what exactly does Carmelo do that is better than Marion?

Is he a better defender? Not that I've noticed. Better rebounder? No close. Better shot blocker? Not even faintly close. Marion's shooting and scoring was down this season, but in 2002-03 he averaged 21.2 ppg, 45.2% shooting, and 38.7% for three.

But it all comes back to the same thing. Marion is not a great one on one player so he is considered inferior to the Nugget's crybaby.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't think Melo is better than Marion either. Maybe someday, but not now.

This is simply the same run around. There is some kind of mystique about guys who are great one on one scorers. Other than the fact that he scores more on a team that does not a strong low post offense, what exactly does Carmelo do that is better than Marion?

Is he a better defender? Not that I've noticed. Better rebounder? No close. Better shot blocker? Not even faintly close. Marion's shooting and scoring was down this season, but in 2002-03 he averaged 21.2 ppg, 45.2% shooting, and 38.7% for three.

But it all comes back to the same thing. Marion is not a great one on one player so he is considered inferior to the Nugget's crybaby.

Melo is a leader and a champion - he can stroke the J, he can take it to the hole and he post up - He is someone teams have to worry about. Marion is a better rebounder - but as a defender - it's a wash - Marion gets WAYYYYY to much credit here as a defender - as does everyone on this club. I mean if JJ, Marion and Amare are all such defenders, why were we so PISS POOR on defense last year?

Bottom line is Melo is two years out of college, Marion is what 5 - and Melo'
s game is already more polished than Marion's and he's shown the ability to take and make big shots - something Shawn goes runing for cover when it's his opportunity. That right right there catapults Melo over him. I'm not having this discussion - I have better things to do with my time than argue a point that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the NBA or on any message board other than here would agree with.

 

[George O'Brien]

Melo is a leader and a champion - he can stroke the J, he can take it to the hole and he post up - He is someone teams have to worry about. Marion is a better rebounder - but as a defender - it's a wash - Marion gets WAYYYYY to much credit here as a defender - as does everyone on this club. I mean if JJ, Marion and Amare are all such defenders, why were we so PISS POOR on defense last year?

Bottom line is Melo is two years out of college, Marion is what 5 - and Melo'
s game is already more polished than Marion's and he's shown the ability to take and make big shots - something Shawn goes runing for cover when it's his opportunity. That right right there catapults Melo over him. I'm not having this discussion - I have better things to do with my time than argue a point that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the NBA or on any message board other than here would agree with.

Which is why Marion is going to Athens and Melo isn't?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which is why Marion is going to Athens and Melo isn't?

Correct me if I'm wrong - but Melo is going to the Olympics.

And correct me if I'm wrong - but wasn't Marion on that shameful squad that took 6th last year in the WHATEVER THE HELL IT WAS GAMES - I don't think the so called "Dream Teams" are really indicative of anything anymore - haven't been since Tom Gugliotta made one squad.

 

[scotsman13]

yes melo finally cry enought that they invited him there.

cheese what is more likely that everyone else is wrong about marions defense or you are? you know the people thatget paid for scouting the players who think that he is a very good defender or you who have played some high school, play ground, and maybe even a little college ball? personally i think i will go with the pros.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Personally I think this thread is ********.

The Nuggets will be good, and finish 4th or 5th in west. They will most likely get to the second round.

Personally, I hate Melo, but he will be a good player. Give him more than 2 seasons to lead his team to a ring though.

Will the nuggets be better than the Suns? Most likely. However, you cannot compare last season's record when debating it. The Suns team had a huge amount of turnover last year, plus Amare missed a quarter of the season. Near the end of the year, Amare seemed to be ready to take over the offense.


Once we get to see how Nash, Amare and Marion play together we will have a better idea. Also, we need to figure out if JJ will go back in his shell, and if Q will even be on the team.

 

[George O'Brien]

I have always contended that Marion is a victim of the Suns defensive scheme. The Suns routinely trap and leave him on the weak side trying to defense two guys. This means he has to run at the guy to try to distract him from when taking a shot, which leave him vulnerable to a fake and drive.

I agree he could improve his footwork, but he has not had enough chance to play straight one on one defense. I suspect that working with Larrry Brown this summer will do wonders.

 

[F-Dog]

Is this where the crack party is?


Denver has a nice little nucleus, but there's no way they'll be standing up to Duncan or Garnett any time soon. Even Detroit needed a lot of luck to break through, and the Pistons didn't have to pin their hopes on a self-absorbed 20-year-old.

I believe the expectations in Denver are along the lines of, "wait 'til three years from now".

 

[NugzFan]

Which is why Marion is going to Athens and Melo isn't?

um.......

 

[NugzFan]

Personally I think this thread is ********.

The Nuggets will be good, and finish 4th or 5th in west. They will most likely get to the second round.

you are even more optimistic about denver than i am!

Personally, I hate Melo, but he will be a good player. Give him more than 2 seasons to lead his team to a ring though.

a ring? in 2 years? id say at least 5.

 

[elindholm]

a ring? in 2 years? id say at least 5.

The Nuggets don't have that long. Camby is their most important player and he is on borrowed time.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I was more saying at LEAST 2 years. I don't think it is a real possibility then either. Eric is right about Camby though.


SA and Minny should be 1 and 2.

I dont have much faith in Sac or Dallas. I think both the suns and nuggets will be better than Houston. Memphis most likely in between Denver/Phx.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

so you believe that kmart is a superstar that can lead the nuggs to a championship?

i dont think that martin is a better player then marion. i dont believe that melo will end up being more then then a crying little high scoring brat, who will be a poor mans clyde drexler (never able to win a championship by himself). denver can be a 6th to 8th and maybe move into the second round of they get lucky in the first round of the playoffs. but they dont have the depth, defense or solid outside shooting to make it past that. devners believes that the answer to their problems is to take advanage of the mile high city by running other teams into the ground. and while this work during the season it falls in the playoffs when you can take advanage of o2 drinks and other training techs to help set up your team. when your teams main battle plan fails you have to hope that your players are more skilled then the other teams players
amare > kmart
marion=melo (melo is a better scorer but doesnt have marions all round game)
jake< camby
nash > miller
jj > lenard

bench
suns > denver

coach
i'll call this one a wash right now because denvers coach is in danger of loosing his job right now.

denver's bench is better than ours. you're forgetting nene. he's better than any big man on our bench. and the gap between our better players and their better players is negligible. amare is better kmart, and nash is better than miller, but both not by a lot. and sorry, melo is better than marion. that's a fact. i'll say it again, marion is a the best possible role player. melo can take over a game. there is a world of difference btwn the two in that regard.

as for the coaching, i think i'd take bdzelekcal;snas over d'antoni. at least he proved he could coach his team into the playoffs (and it was also a pretty young squad) in the west whereas d'antoni proved he could get his guys to hover near .500 for brief periods.

we're a lot better now than last year and i expect us to continue to get better as the season goes on, but the nugz were better than us last year and the pickup of martin at least equates with our pickup of nash, so how did we catch 'em much less pass 'em? that's just overly optimistic in my view and not realistic.

 

[SweetD]

Denver will not make it out of the first round. Last year was a good run but I don't see their team getting out of the first round.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think Melo is better than Marion either. Maybe someday, but not now.

This is simply the same run around. There is some kind of mystique about guys who are great one on one scorers. Other than the fact that he scores more on a team that does not a strong low post offense, what exactly does Carmelo do that is better than Marion?

Is he a better defender? Not that I've noticed. Better rebounder? No close. Better shot blocker? Not even faintly close. Marion's shooting and scoring was down this season, but in 2002-03 he averaged 21.2 ppg, 45.2% shooting, and 38.7% for three.

But it all comes back to the same thing. Marion is not a great one on one player so he is considered inferior to the Nugget's crybaby.

marion cannot take over a game. melo can. that's the basis of the argument.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yes melo finally cry enought that they invited him there.

cheese what is more likely that everyone else is wrong about marions defense or you are? you know the people thatget paid for scouting the players who think that he is a very good defender or you who have played some high school, play ground, and maybe even a little college ball? personally i think i will go with the pros.

i think the talk of defensive ability is silly when we're not talking about a premier defender, which neither melo nor marion are. marion is an okay defender. he's a better team defender than one-on-one defender. i didn't see enough of melo's games to determine what kind of defender he is, but he has the athleticism to be the same type of defender as marion.

and what scouts are you talking about? what pros? any sites? i am not calling you out, i am genuinely curious to read glowing reports about marion's defense, 'cuz i'm just not convinced he's a great defender.