Official World Cup 2010 thread

[AfroSuns]

I guess I can't feel bad for the Ghana team after I saw this picture, 2 players offsides on the buildup before Suarez hand ball.

http://twitpic.com/21vkzy/full

How is that an offside?? See below for Wiki on offside.

Offside is Law XI in the publication Laws of the Game written by the IFAB and published by FIFA. The law states that, if a player is in an offside position when the ball is touched or played by a team mate, he may not become actively involved in the play. It is not an offense to merely be in an offside position. It has been noted that modifying the offside rule would be one way to increase scoring opportunities in football.[1]

 

[AfroSuns]

Slept in and miss the game.
Good job by Germany, looks like we are looking at an all European final.

 

[Milgod]

How is that an offside?? See below for Wiki on offside.

You provided the proof of it being offside. The player nearest to the camera became active in the play.

 

[Chaplin]

You know, I would have enjoyed this game if I didn't know that slinslin would come on here and brag about it.

Hate to see Messi go, but the Germans were damn impressive.

 

[AfroSuns]

You provided the proof of it being offside. The player nearest to the camera became active in the play.

I cant remember the sequence of that goal but was that header straight to the goalie or it was a pass to the player. Unless one sees the full clip, there is really no way of telling from that single frame if that was an offside

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They are talking about extending the suspension of Suarez another game so he will miss the finals.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-Suarez-match-ban-to-the-final?urn=sow,253361

 

[Milgod]

They are talking about extending the suspension of Suarez another game so he will miss the finals.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-Suarez-match-ban-to-the-final?urn=sow,253361

A disgrace if they do.

 

[AfroSuns]

They are talking about extending the suspension of Suarez another game so he will miss the finals.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-Suarez-match-ban-to-the-final?urn=sow,253361

He should be suspended, if they manage to get by Netherland. It is unsportsman and classless act. If that were basketball, that would be goaltending and if a bigger example is not set a lot of players will switch to goalie when it suits them.
A skilled classy players reflex would be try an header and not a hand like that, his hands changed history and he should pay the maximum price.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

A disgrace if they do.

Absolutely.

He should be suspended, if they manage to get by Netherland. It is unsportsman and classless act. If that were basketball, that would be goaltending and if a bigger example is not set a lot of players will switch to goalie when it suits them.
A skilled classy players reflex would be try an header and not a hand like that, his hands changed history and he should pay the maximum price.

No he shouldn't. He broke the rules, and now he is paying the price that is written in the rule books. The rulebook don't state that if you use your hands, you will be suspended indefinitely. If Gyan makes his penalty kick, this is a moot point.

 

[slinslin]

He got a straight red card deservedly so. He should get 2-3 games.

 

[AfroSuns]

No he shouldn't. He broke the rules, and now he is paying the price that is written in the rule books. The rulebook don't state that if you use your hands, you will be suspended indefinitely. If Gyan makes his penalty kick, this is a moot point.

When he almost extends his whole hand to block a ball that is a goal, it goes against everything called fair play. A big time cheat and if not enforced, it will ruin the game.
In basketball, don't the league evaluate a flagrant after the game to determine if the call was justified or additional penalty is required?
It is a moot point anyway, as it is highly unlikely they will get past the dutch.

 

[Milgod]

He got a straight red card deservedly so. He should get 2-3 games.

You get a one game ban for a straight red in this WC. Why should they change it?

If they want to go back and look at incidents then they should rewind the tape another minute to see that it should never have been a free kick that led to the non-goal, plus a Ghana player was offside and active.

 

[Chaplin]

The rule states a one-game ban. Period. You make this a special case, then everything starts coming under question. There's already enough controversy in this tournament, no need to add another when FIFA is adamant about being strict with the rules.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

When he almost extends his whole hand to block a ball that is a goal, it goes against everything called fair play. A big time cheat and if not enforced, it will ruin the game.
In basketball, don't the league evaluate a flagrant after the game to determine if the call was justified or additional penalty is required?
It is a moot point anyway, as it is highly unlikely they will get past the dutch.

Why didn't the same happen when Maradona used his hand to score the 'Hand of God' goal. Did that play ruin the game? Why should it be different between offense and defense?

 

[AfroSuns]

Why didn't the same happen when Maradona used his hand to score the 'Hand of God' goal. Did that play ruin the game? Why should it be different between offense and defense?

And it stilled happened recently with Thierry Henry, but both players can make the case that it was inadvertent; not deliberate. Can Suarez do the same with his hands that far away from his body??

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And it stilled happened recently with Thierry Henry, but both players can make the case that it was inadvertent; not deliberate. Can Suarez do the same with his hands that far away from his body??

Come on, even interviews with Maradona afterwards proved that it was deliberate. This wasn't far away from his body?

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The only way that I would be ok with this is if they changed the rule to actually award the goal in such circumstances, even though I wouldn't like the rule.

 

[AfroSuns]

You get a one game ban for a straight red in this WC. Why should they change it?

If they want to go back and look at incidents then they should rewind the tape another minute to see that it should never have been a free kick that led to the non-goal, plus a Ghana player was offside and active.

I am not sure if you are thinking of old offside rule (which was changed) or just trying to make up your own. As it stands in the attachment below, it is not offside. The ball is in play for player 1 ONLY, not player 2 or player 3. Back in the day, it is offside regardless of who the ball is in play for, FIFA modified that rule. Again another excerpt from WIKI; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by
Interfering with play: Playing or touching the ball Interfering with an opponent: Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position: Playing the ball after the ball has rebounded off the goal, the goalkeeper, or any opponent[4]

 

[AfroSuns]

Come on, even interviews with Maradona afterwards proved that it was deliberate. This wasn't far away from his body?

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The only way that I would be ok with this is if they changed the rule to actually award the goal in such circumstances, even though I wouldn't like the rule.

Ok, i will give you that , but we have to consider the year that game was played. But compare that to this;

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[Milgod]

Player 2 is (and becomes even more so) actively involved in the play. His standing in an offside position gives him an advantage which he uses in about 2 seconds from that picture.

As I also said before, it should never have even been a free kick in the first place.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ok, i will give you that , but we have to consider the year that game was played. But compare that to this;

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What if Suarez makes this same play at the 30 minute mark, should he then be suspended for the finals then too?

 

[AfroSuns]

Player 2 is (and becomes even more so) actively involved in the play. His standing in an offside position gives him an advantage which he uses in about 2 seconds from that picture.

As I also said before, it should never have even been a free kick in the first place.

Once again

The blue forward on the left of the diagram is in an offside position as he is in front of both the second-to-last defender (marked by the dotted line) and the ball. Note that this does not necessarily mean he is committing an offside offence.

 

[AfroSuns]

What if Suarez makes this same play at the 30 minute mark, should he then be suspended for the finals then too?

Yes, it makes it much more grievous due to the timing, but he should. I wont have a problem if Suarez didn't make himself a goalie. Say if the ball was slightly close to his head and he embellished a little, to me i would give him benefit of the doubt but when he is stretching like goalkeeper is just classless. Before you know it defenders will be diving to save goals

 

[Milgod]

Once again

I'm not quitw sure what you don't understand. You even provided the FIFA rule book that backs me up.

He was in an offside postion when the ball was played and then became actively involved in the play. Just like your rule book states.

Look, it doesn't even matter as it was never a free kick to start with.

 

[Milgod]

Yes, it makes it much more grievous due to the timing, but he should. I wont have a problem if Suarez didn't make himself a goalie. Say if the ball was slightly close to his head and he embellished a little, to me i would give him benefit of the doubt but when he is stretching like goalkeeper is just classless. Before you know it defenders will be diving to save goals

and they will get a red card and a suspension within the rules.

 

[AfroSuns]

and they will get a red card and a suspension within the rules.

I guess you are entitled to your own interpretation but only the refs count.

If the other leagues like the NBA were to adopt your view of in-game penalty only, there would be a prevalence of infrigments like flagrant two.