Oklahoma's Pro Day

[Renz]

In case anyone is interested in Tommie Harris or Derrick Strait:

Oklahoma University March 10

Kansas City head coach Dick Vermeil, Houston head coach Dom Capers and Houston general manager Charley Casserly were among the 100 or so NFL personnel there (every team represented). There were also a number of defensive line coaches there, including Tim Krumrie of the Bills and Andre Patterson of the Browns.

The players ran in the Sooners' old fieldhouse on AstroTurf but then did the positional workouts in the new fieldhouse on FieldTurf.
Player; Position; Gil Brandt's comments

Tommie Harris DL Harris (292 pounds), ran his 40s in 4.78 and 4.80, the short shuttle in 4.31 and the three-cone drill 7.31. He had a 31-inch vertical jump and his broad jump was 9-0 1/8. He chose not to lift here because he did 29 reps at the combine.

Derrick Strait DB Strait (198 pounds), ran his 40s in 4.55 and 4.52, the short shuttle in 4.1 and the three-cone drill 6.65. He had a 35½-inch vertical jump and his broad jump was 9-11.

Brandon Everage DB Everage did nothing -- he still has shoulder problems. No workout date has been scheduled as of yet.

Pasha Jackson LB Jackson (6-2 1/8, 240) ran the 40 for an average of 4.7. He added a 32-inch vertical, a 9-10 long jump, a 4.55 short shuttle and a 7.30 three-cone drill.

Kory Klein DL Klein (6-1¾, 287) ran for a 5.0 average in the 40. He did 24 reps, a 29½-inch vertical, an 8-11 long jump, a 4.54 short shuttle and a 7.25 three-cone drill.

Teddy Lehman LB Lehman (237 pounds) ran the 40 for an average of 4.55. He did the short shuttle in 4.20, the three-cone drill in 6.85, and that's it. He did not lift but did have an impressive workout.

Renaldo Works RB Works (5-11¾, 216) ran for an average time of average time of 4.52. He added 20 reps, a 36-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump, and shuttle times of 4.07 (short) and 6.90 (three cone).

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Renz
In case anyone is interested in Tommie Harris or Derrick Strait:

Oklahoma University March 10

Kansas City head coach Dick Vermeil, Houston head coach Dom Capers and Houston general manager Charley Casserly were among the 100 or so NFL personnel there (every team represented). There were also a number of defensive line coaches there, including Tim Krumrie of the Bills and Andre Patterson of the Browns.

The players ran in the Sooners' old fieldhouse on AstroTurf but then did the positional workouts in the new fieldhouse on FieldTurf.
Player; Position; Gil Brandt's comments

Tommie Harris DL Harris (292 pounds), ran his 40s in 4.78 and 4.80, the short shuttle in 4.31 and the three-cone drill 7.31. He had a 31-inch vertical jump and his broad jump was 9-0 1/8. He chose not to lift here because he did 29 reps at the combine.

Derrick Strait DB Strait (198 pounds), ran his 40s in 4.55 and 4.52, the short shuttle in 4.1 and the three-cone drill 6.65. He had a 35½-inch vertical jump and his broad jump was 9-11.

I might be in the minority, but I won't bet against Harris being a heck of a pro. If we traded down to around the 8th pick, I'd be happy with him.

Derrick Strait would be a nice pickup, but I doubt he'll be available with our 2nd pick. Maybe they'll think of packaging our 3rd to move into the later part of the 1st round? That would be an appealing option.

 

[joeshmo]

Re: Re: Oklahoma's Pro Day

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I might be in the minority, but I won't bet against Harris being a heck of a pro. If we traded down to around the 8th pick, I'd be happy with him.

Derrick Strait would be a nice pickup, but I doubt he'll be available with our 2nd pick. Maybe they'll think of packaging our 3rd to move into the later part of the 1st round? That would be an appealing option.

Strait may fall becuase of those 40 times, but may have made up for it with his cone and shuttle times. Those times are blazing. Better then any DB so far. Shows good agility and hips.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

4.55 is going to hurt Strait.About the only WR he can cover at that speed is Larry Fitzgerald.:wink:

 

[Southpaw]

Derrick Strait runs 4.55 inside on synthetic. Ouch. That kind of "closing speed" might get him torched on vertical routes. He'll get picked on like a bad zit.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by wallyburger
Derrick Strait runs 4.55 inside on synthetic. Ouch. That kind of "closing speed" might get him torched on vertical routes. He'll get picked on like a bad zit.

40 times are so idiotic it not even funny. I remember watching the game Oklahome played in just prior to the bowl game(cant remember the team ) But a WR had caught a ball and looked like he was gone. This guy came up from about 10 yards behind and caught up with the WR like he was standing still. Low and behold it was Derrick Strait. No other Oklahoma player even closed on this guy. But Straight closed,caught and brought him down. I actually couldnt believe what I had seen.

Its called game speed. Strait has it and anyone who thinks he is slow is fooling themsleves.

 

[Southpaw]

That's a big wart to hide. K State torched him. LSU torched him.

 

[B-Dogg]

I.m getting sick of these players getting drafted way to high because of 40 times. Maybe we should go back and have players like Jerry Rice run a 40 for us so we can say hey you ran a 4.6 you werent the best receiver ever. Lets see name the best receivers of all time and the best DB's of all time... When you get done compiling your list let me know how many have 40 times of 4.4 or better other than Deion... Let me tell you folks its not that many... How many times do you see players just run straight down the field with no one touching them or changing direction?

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
I.m getting sick of these players getting drafted way to high because of 40 times. Maybe we should go back and have players like Jerry Rice run a 40 for us so we can say hey you ran a 4.6 you werent the best receiver ever. Lets see name the best receivers of all time and the best DB's of all time... When you get done compiling your list let me know how many have 40 times of 4.4 or better other than Deion... Let me tell you folks its not that many... How many times do you see players just run straight down the field with no one touching them or changing direction?

Very true. Thats why I mentioned "Game Speed" above There is a big difference between yuor 40 tiem and the speed at which you play football.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
I.m getting sick of these players getting drafted way to high because of 40 times. Maybe we should go back and have players like Jerry Rice run a 40 for us so we can say hey you ran a 4.6 you werent the best receiver ever. Lets see name the best receivers of all time and the best DB's of all time... When you get done compiling your list let me know how many have 40 times of 4.4 or better other than Deion... Let me tell you folks its not that many... How many times do you see players just run straight down the field with no one touching them or changing direction?

Darryl Green

 

[B-Dogg]

Originally posted by wallyburger
Darryl Green

Now we have 2, but like a said its not many...

 

[SoonerCard]

Originally posted by Wallyburger:

That's a big wart to hide. K State torched him. LSU torched him.


In the K-State game, James Terry DID have the 1 63-yd TD, but other than that he had 1 catch for 0 yd. Versus LSU, Clayton and Henderson had a combined 6 catches for 62 yds and 0 TD's. If memory serves, didn't Strait catch the LSU RB from behind on the first play where he broke free? Remember too, R. Woods (OSU) and the vaunted Texas receiving corps did next to nothing this year against Strait and OU. Strait is a FOOTBALL PLAYER and the Cards would be very happy with him at CB.

Go Cards!

 

[SoonerCard]

Everage

Now Everage is another thing entirely. I don't know what's going on with him. Is it just an injury? He didn't play all that well this season. Not compared to 2002.

 

[SoonerCard]

Lehmann

He's an athlete! Good football player, except he can be a little undisciplined and overrun plays. First Colorado game in 2002, he and the LB corps were constantly being victimized by cutbacks. Coaches corrected it in the 2nd half, but it is a tendency.

Go Cards!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I like Straight and Lehman, but I dont want anything to do with Harris!

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
Now we have 2, but like a said its not many...

Philip Buchanan 4.37

 

[B-Dogg]

Originally posted by wallyburger
Philip Buchanan 4.37

So am I to understand that you are annointing Phillip Buchanan as a HOF player. He isnt even the best corner on his team. So if 40 times are so critical shouldnt every team time players in the 40 before trading for them. Let's time Buchanan today and see if his 40 time is the same it was at the combine.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
So am I to understand that you are annointing Phillip Buchanan as a HOF player. He isnt even the best corner on his team. So if 40 times are so critical shouldnt every team time players in the 40 before trading for them. Let's time Buchanan today and see if his 40 time is the same it was at the combine.

MIKE RUMPH 4.39 grass outside.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by wallyburger
MIKE RUMPH 4.39 grass outside.

That's what makes 40 times so hard to fathom, Rumph is slow, he was slow as a rookie, he was slow last year, and yet if you look at his 40 time he's nearly as fast as Buchanon? PB can fly, his whole problem is getting fooled, out of position, gambling, but the fact that their 40 times are that close together is proof of how misleading 40 times are.

 

[Lars the Red]

What happened to the WR Clayton for the Sooners? I really wanted to see his times, he runs like a truck after the catch and seemed to make a great number of difficult grabs. Am I mistaken that he was a Sr?

 

[SoonerCard]

Mark Clayton

He was a junior. He does run hard, doesn't he. Not as big as some of the guys coming out this year.

Go Cards!

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
That's what makes 40 times so hard to fathom, Rumph is slow, he was slow as a rookie, he was slow last year, and yet if you look at his 40 time he's nearly as fast as Buchanon? PB can fly, his whole problem is getting fooled, out of position, gambling, but the fact that their 40 times are that close together is proof of how misleading 40 times are.

I don't know about Rumph being slow. He was tossed to the wolves as a rookie and has improved dramatically.

Buchanon really could have used another year at U of M. He has blazing recover speed but tends to get in trouble too often. He had Ed Reed and Sean Taylor helping him out at U of Miami and probably thought more of himself than he was.

Speaks volumes for spending that extra year in college.

 

[Lars the Red]

Re: Mark Clayton

Originally posted by SoonerCard
He was a junior. He does run hard, doesn't he. Not as big as some of the guys coming out this year.

Go Cards!

So did he decide to stay? I would have love to see that guy in round 3. He reminds me of Q in the way he punishes tacklers.

 

[SoonerCard]

Re: Mark Clayton

The way this draft is shaping up for WR, I think Mark is hoping to go earlier (2nd round or higher) in 2005. Probably a good call. His measureables might not be that impressive.

Go Cards!

 

[SoonerCard]

Re: Mark Clayton

The way this draft is shaping up for WR, I think Mark is hoping to go earlier (2nd round or higher) in 2005. Probably a good call. His measureables might not be that impressive.

Go Cards!