One comment on Rosenhaus

[Russ Smith]

I wasn't responding to your statement which I pretty much agree with. I was talking about over the last few days in pretty much all the boldin threads someone keeps suggesting that if the contract dispute is not worked out then we should let Anquan sit out the year or 2.

That is just plain crazy no matter how we feel about his holding out. If he doesnt play then he needs to be traded. There is no good that come out of him sitting at home. He obviously would not be helping the team on the field and would still count towards the salary cap. It would be best that IF and only IF this does not get resolved before the season, the team should strongly consider trading him.

Oh I agree, letting him sit out is not the way to go either if you're not getting value from him I agree at some point you have to cut bait and trade the guy.

Don't want it to happen just have felt since the day he hired Rosenhaus that it was a very plausible event. I don't fault Quan for saying he's unhappy and I don't even fully fault him for skipping minicamp if he gets hurt, he knows the Cards are going to do what they did last year after he got hurt, delay the talks because they want to be sure he's healthy. While that is SMART for the Cards, it means by going to minicamp Boldin is taking a risk.

He'd be much more willing to take that risk with a fat new bonus in his bank account. I can see both sides I just hope they're not as far apart as I fear they are.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Oh I agree, letting him sit out is not the way to go either if you're not getting value from him I agree at some point you have to cut bait and trade the guy.

Don't want it to happen just have felt since the day he hired Rosenhaus that it was a very plausible event. I don't fault Quan for saying he's unhappy and I don't even fully fault him for skipping minicamp if he gets hurt, he knows the Cards are going to do what they did last year after he got hurt, delay the talks because they want to be sure he's healthy. While that is SMART for the Cards, it means by going to minicamp Boldin is taking a risk.

He'd be much more willing to take that risk with a fat new bonus in his bank account. I can see both sides I just hope they're not as far apart as I fear they are.

So why couldn't Q go to the mini-camp and participate in the drills?

Wouldn't that have shown I want to be here but I am not jeopardizing my body until I get a new contract/extension?

I guess a better question would be... what would he loose if he did the above?

 

[Faithful]

to think the Cards would send an "unofficial" spokesman to talk with Q before they're forced to fight. It's very possible they can make him an offer that makes him financially secure for his future, but doesn't break they're back ,which in turm would send a message to others that our front office will take care of reasonable players.

Do you think they could do that? It seems like teams use players to get FAs, why not to talk some sense into him. I hope an agreement is reached because I'd hate to see Q leave.

 

[BACH]

Do you think they could do that? It seems like teams use players to get FAs, why not to talk some sense into him. I hope an agreement is reached because I'd hate to see Q leave.

That ship sailed when Q hired Rosenhaus IMO. A player coming of an injury with Rosenhaus as his agent. Not gonna happen...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, there is no collusion going on in commerce around the world. Like all of these players and Rosenhaus aren't colluding against the owners. Please. Personally, I think the owners should collude against agents like Rosenhaus and the players he represents. The guy is trying to set a dangerous precedent here and if he pulls it off, the NFL could end up like the NHL. Here is a concept for the players. If you don't like your original contract, don't sign it! You can always go work at McDonalds.

I think every NFL team should draft a letter to both Rosenhaus and the players that he represents and state they will not negotiate with him on any contract, period.

Boycott Rosenhaus!!!

"players and rosenhaus . . . colluding against the owners." uh, no. learn what collusion is from a legal sense.

and your letter is against the law.

 

[Russ Smith]

"players and rosenhaus . . . colluding against the owners." uh, no. learn what collusion is from a legal sense.

and your letter is against the law.

It's not against the law to send it right, just illegal to actually do it. and sending the letter would make it pretty easy for DR to prove it so yeah not a good idea!

I actually agree with the Pro Football Talk thing(for once) other agents are going to CAREFULLY watch Rosenhaus because he's stealing clients and they need ammo to tell their players to stay put.

 

[pete]

"players and rosenhaus . . . colluding against the owners." uh, no. learn what collusion is from a legal sense.

and your letter is against the law.

legal shmeagal.

First, we kill all the lawyers!

-Shakespeare

 

[CardLogic]

In a way, this is kind of an agent battle against the NFL -- with the approach being taken that "If teams can cut a player's salary (by cutting him from the team) for underpeforming vs the contract, then the player can hold out for a bigger salary when he over performs." Agents see this as a fundamental imbalance that they want to correct -- ultimately moving towards guaranteed contracts like the other major sports.

I don't disagree with your premise here...

But Rosenhaus seems to be the only agent I'm hearing about doing the stuff he is doing. Are there other agents pulling the crap that he is?

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't disagree with your premise here...

But Rosenhaus seems to be the only agent I'm hearing about doing the stuff he is doing. Are there other agents pulling the crap that he is?

No, virtually every player "holding out" right now is a Rosenhaus client.

I'm waiting for someone to do a reality show on Rosenhaus, you can see all these high profile athletes out playing golf or lounging by his pool while Drew and his brother talk on their cellphones all day saying no like David Spade.

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[Skkorpion]

i don't know. we need boldin right now. with him, the cards have one of the top wr corps in the nfc. without him... different story.

give the guy a good deal and let's move on!

nurnay, the problem seems to be that Rosenhaus wants more than "a good deal," although we don't really know, do we?

You are suggesting we zoom in and focus on the short term. In any business, that's a killer.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No, virtually every player "holding out" right now is a Rosenhaus client.

I'm waiting for someone to do a reality show on Rosenhaus, you can see all these high profile athletes out playing golf or lounging by his pool while Drew and his brother talk on their cellphones all day saying no like David Spade.

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The company I work for actually pitched this Idea last year, but there were no takers...Thank god, If I had to see him everyday I would probably punch him in the face

 

[Russ Smith]

The company I work for actually pitched this Idea last year, but there were no takers...Thank god, If I had to see him everyday I would probably punch him in the face

Too bad, Everybody Hates Drew sounds like a perfect name.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Gary Radnich on local news brought this up today talking about Alex Smith's agent Condon. he said while Condon is a tough cookie, "at least he's not trying to break the owners backs like Drew Rosenhaus is." He made a very valid point, in many ways Rosenhaus isn't negotiating against teams now he's negotiating against the NFL as a whole because he has so many guys this year and in the recent past holding out, that at some point "right or wrong owners are going to have to collude against the guy and just collectively refuse to cave in to his holdouts."

it is an interesting point of view, Boldin, Walker, Santana Moss, Droughns, Owens, last year McKenzie and Portis, at some point NFL teams ARE going to have to either open pandoras box and give in to every player, or put their foots down.

The downside is a GOOD guy like Quan may get caught in the crossfire where the Cards may really want to do the guy right, but may feel obligated to completely hardball him?

No handful of players, NO MATTER HOW GOOD, are worth the entire NFL. Hopefully the NFL owners see this, and do not give in to ridiculous demands. This Rosenjerk guy is all about MONEY. Regardless if his player, and his contract are so big that it hurts the entire team. This ******* will try and force the issue anyway. All about money. If Rosenhaus makes a couple million and destroys the NFL...he won't care. Not even for a second. He is satan, and he should get his butt kicked.

No negotiations, and hold outs. Yes, this bastard is trying to take on the entire NFL. Well try it.

If the owners hold their ground then Rosenhaus, and his merry band of idiot greedy clients will fall. Why? One name: Ricky Williams. Ricky Williams thought he could pull off whatever he wanted, and figured he was SO GOOD that he would be given what ever he wants. Well one year later, and nobody cares about who Ricky Williams is. TO will be just an after thought, especially if the Eagles get back to the big dance. Boldin, yeah he is good, but not that good. A winning season, and a playoff berth would let me forget all about him.

And the list goes on......except for Rueben Droughnes who just sux, and should be happy that someone wants his slow, un-agile, bad visioned butt on thier field.

Peace

 

[Scott MS]

It is a sad situation. The Cardinals have shown they are willing to spend top money but not willing to overspend (i.e. Hartwell). I have confidence the Cardinals will offer Boldin what they feel he is worth.

If Boldin doesn't take their offer and is missing at the start of training camp, we all know Anquan will be in Dennis Green's dog house and the Quan is as good as gone.

 

[conraddobler]

Can any contract law people explain how it is ok to break a contract by not playing?

How is that not breach of contract?

 

[jmr667]

Can any contract law people explain how it is ok to break a contract by not playing?

How is that not breach of contract?

I think Ricky Williams learned that it IS a breach of contract last year. He lost the court battle over his signing bonus (the 'guarenteed' part of the contract) and had to pay a big chunk back to Miami.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Can any contract law people explain how it is ok to break a contract by not playing?

How is that not breach of contract?

It isn't. It's most definitely a "breach of contract".

Now, how this matter is settled is a separate issue.

A few years back, Alexei Yashin - a hockey player with the Ottawa Senators - attempted to break his contract by simply refusing to play.

The courts ajudicated that the Team and the League had not only the right to enforce the contract, but that the player contract would, in fact, be extended in time to deal with the breach. Monies (salary, bonus) were returned to the team through the decision.

The Senators then traded him to the NY Islanders, where he signed a new deal that largely recouped the money he lost sitting out.