Optimism: Kevin Kolb

[Duckjake]

Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger & Andrew Luck all big, tall, good movement in the pocket. All QBs had strong arms to drive the ball down the field on deep comebacks, outs and ins. Believes in pushing the ball down the field, creating underneath space for TEs and crossing wide receivers. QBs have to be durable because they have to hold onto the ball. In Cardinals terms, think of a QB who has to be able to consistently hit those deep seem routes to Fitz and Housler.

Ideal rookie QB is Mike Glennon with better feet. Might be able to save Skelton is Skelton wants it enough.

Tim Couch was 6'4" 220 so sounds right.

But that doesn't sound anything like Kolb.

Does fit Brad Sorenson though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tim Couch was 6'4" 220 so sounds right.

But that doesn't sound anything like Kolb.

Does fit Brad Sorenson though.

If I am Keim, I give Arians the film on all eligiable rookie QBs in the draft and let him tell me which one fits best. Then, I go get that guy. The one thing to like about Arians is he has worked with 4 young QBs in Manning, Couch, Roethlisberger and Luck. He knows what to look for and what he needs out of a young QB.

 

[machgman]

Sorry to Kolb fans, but the Arians hire is not good for Kolb.

1. Kolb has been a West Coast Offense QB since college at Houston and Philly. Kolb could not make change to master the Cards' timing, spread, and vertical passing lays in the offensive playbook. Any success Kilb had this year was due to Whisenhunt finally listening to the QB coach to dumb down the offensive to use only the WCO tupe plays that suited Kolb and his skillset.

2. Ariens has always used a vertical passing offense which is what he advised the Bidwills he would implement here.

3. Kolb simply cannot take the pounding a QB gets in the NFL as evidenced by his down times in Philly and with the Cards.

4. Even if he restructures his contract to remain here, Kolb has never proven that he can master the vertical passing game and his pass difficulty in making the transition here may be the deciding factor by the Cards to release him.

5. Ariens may prefer spending his time developing Bryan Hoyer and other QBs better suited to the vertical passing game.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

If I am Keim, I give Arians the film on all eligiable rookie QBs in the draft and let him tell me which one fits best. Then, I go get that guy. The one thing to like about Arians is he has worked with 4 young QBs in Manning, Couch, Roethlisberger and Luck. He knows what to look for and what he needs out of a young QB.

This.

 

[desertdawg]

Sorry to Kolb fans, but the Arians hire is not good for Kolb.

1. Kolb has been a West Coast Offense QB since college at Houston and Philly. Kolb could not make change to master the Cards' timing, spread, and vertical passing lays in the offensive playbook. Any success Kilb had this year was due to Whisenhunt finally listening to the QB coach to dumb down the offensive to use only the WCO tupe plays that suited Kolb and his skillset.

2. Ariens has always used a vertical passing offense which is what he advised the Bidwills he would implement here.

3. Kolb simply cannot take the pounding a QB gets in the NFL as evidenced by his down times in Philly and with the Cards.

4. Even if he restructures his contract to remain here, Kolb has never proven that he can master the vertical passing game and his pass difficulty in making the transition here may be the deciding factor by the Cards to release him.

5. Ariens may prefer spending his time developing Bryan Hoyer and other QBs better suited to the vertical passing game.

LMAO, Kolb lead us to the best start in franchise history while leading the League in sacks taken and continued to lead the League in sacks taken for weeks after being on the injured list. His durability is the knock on him, and the paycheck doesn't fit the amount of games he has played. Hoyer? Over Kolb? And the no vertical jargin is funny to me too, QBs under Whiz and Grimm had no time to throw the ball, that's why we saw the dink and dunk from all 800 of Whiz's QBs.

Kolb needs to take a paycut and work on staying up right for more than 10 games a stretch. Hoyer...

I'm down to get a rookie QB or even 2 in the draft, let Bruce pick them.

 

[Duckjake]

LMAO, Kolb lead us to the best start in franchise history while leading the League in sacks taken and continued to lead the League in sacks taken for weeks after being on the injured list. His durability is the knock on him, and the paycheck doesn't fit the amount of games he has played. Hoyer? Over Kolb? And the no vertical jargin is funny to me too, QBs under Whiz and Grimm had no time to throw the ball, that's why we saw the dink and dunk from all 800 of Whiz's QBs.

Kolb needs to take a paycut and work on staying up right for more than 10 games a stretch. Hoyer...

I'm down to get a rookie QB or even 2 in the draft, let Bruce pick them.

Kolb also led us to a 1-6 start the season before. Getting worse every game just like he did in 2012.

But you are correct about the time. My take is that the reason the Cards took fewer sacks is that they started running miniature pass routes and the yards per completion dropped from around 10 to around 8 yards.

Just having Grimm out of the picture will make our offense better no matter who is the QB.

 

[desertdawg]

Kolb also led us to a 1-6 start the season before. Getting worse every game just like he did in 2012.

But you are correct about the time. My take is that the reason the Cards took fewer sacks is that they started running miniature pass routes and the yards per completion dropped from around 10 to around 8 yards.

Just having Grimm out of the picture will make our offense better no matter who is the QB.

Yamon, whether it's Kolb or whoever, I'm really looking forward to our QB getting better instead of worse as the season goes. It will feel like we are driving backwards for a minute, but it will be nice to get used to.

 

[Phrazbit]

The defense led us to wins. The solid start could have kept going but Kolb was horrible against the Rams and Bills. Kolb is a backup quality player... who cant stay healthy for more than 5 or 6 games at a time. It would be lunacy to keep him.

One coaching staff already got the axe because of the Kolb fiasco, if I am the new staff the first thing I would do is get rid of that gigantic mistake before its bites me in the ass too.

 

[slanidrac16]

If I am Keim, I give Arians the film on all eligiable rookie QBs in the draft and let him tell me which one fits best. Then, I go get that guy. The one thing to like about Arians is he has worked with 4 young QBs in Manning, Couch, Roethlisberger and Luck. He knows what to look for and what he needs out of a young QB.

Book it!

We will have a rookie starting at QB when the season begins.

Kolb cost too much and is brittle.
Skelton can't hit water from a boat with a life preserver.
Lindley will be 3rd string at best.

Clean slate. Start your QB ratings now because there is no doubt we will be drafting a QB .....EARLY.

 

[JeffGollin]

There's the QB "as he is" and the QB after Arians works with him.

Knowing the capacity for improvement inherent in each guy is something Arians will have to figure out and something we fans know little about.

We'll just have to wait and see, and it's important that the Cardinal FO covers their downside in case the guys we've got continue to lag in their improvement.