Ossenfort is Kicking the Hornets’ Nest in this Draft.

[Stout]

you know what lots of pressures and TFLs, but not a lot of sacks gets you?

Jadaveon Clowney. A good but not great player. Clearly a disappointment for being drafted 1st. A disappointment even being drafted top 10.

maybe Anderson takes the next step, If so, great. If he doesnt - he is a solid, complimentary OLB / DE that teams find outside the first round --

So then why do so many people want Chop Robinson? By your metrics he's like a 3rd round prospect.

 

[kerouac9]

Can you guys at least not judge on whether we won or loss the PJ/Will trade after one season

Obviously fans are going to rate the trade on an ongoing basis; it will be decided for sure if/when PJ gets a second contract with the Cards and/or Will Anderson becomes an All-Pro.

Completely biased take.

What is the bias toward/against?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What is the bias toward/against?

Trading down and having it work out.

 

[oaken1]

Yep. When you include future picks in a trade deal you typically value those picks as the last pick in that round.

exactly.
But did I, along with many others spend the entirity of last summer thinking we would have two top five picks this year??

also exactly. The hopium was there while it lasted. But having sour grapes over the texans season does not mean we got screwed. It just did not work out as well as it could have.

 

[football karma]

So then why do so many people want Chop Robinson? By your metrics he's like a 3rd round prospect.

at 27 or 35


top 5: to meet expectations, i want 12+ sacks a year -- Montez Sweat /Aiden Hutchinson territory

 

[oaken1]

PJJ was an LT in college or did he play RT in college too? Switching positions your rookie season will make your college to pro transition more difficult.

true. switching sides is difficult. Yet PB&J did a great job even with the added difficulty. Thats a point in the "good pick" column

 

[kerouac9]

Trading down and having it work out.

I guess? I mean you were disappointed in the result of the trade down; the pick underperformed what your expectation was. Now you're okay with it now; Stout isn't. I don't think anyone's opinions are fixed in stone.

If the #27 pick turns out to be a Pro Bowl-caliber player, we'll obviously re-evaluate the trade because we have more data.

 

[oaken1]

at 27 or 35


top 5: to meet expectations, i want 12+ sacks a year -- Montez Sweat /Aiden Hutchinson territory

agree...a top five pick edge player has to be double digit sacks for several years to be considered a solid pick...excepting the rookie season

 

[GatorAZ]

How many rookies have had more sacks in a season than Will Anderson did? I’m guessing about 50.

 

[kerouac9]

top 5: to meet expectations, i want 12+ sacks a year -- Montez Sweat /Aiden Hutchinson territory

Aiden Hutchinson has never had 12 sacks in a season; he averages 10.5.

In his five-year career, Montez Sweat has had double-digit sacks in a season once -- last year. He's outperformed Will Anderson's rookie season just three times (had the same seven sacks his rookie year).

I just don't know what you're talking about here.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So, anyone else looking forward to the draft tomorrow?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

will anderson became the defensive captain after his very first game against the ravens

He was one of 4 defensive captains, but point taken.

 

[football karma]

as an aside -- lost in the DROY / rookie sack thing:

the leader was Kobie Turner of the Rams with 9. DT out of Wake Forest.
2nd was Byron Young with 8 of........ the effin Rams (and who probably should have won DROY)

maybe its the Aaron Donald effect, but still.

add Puca Nucua to the mix, and Les Snead did an all timer

 

[BirdGangThing]

you know what lots of pressures and TFLs, but not a lot of sacks gets you?

Jadaveon Clowney. A good but not great player. Clearly a disappointment for being drafted 1st. A disappointment even being drafted top 10.

maybe Anderson takes the next step, If so, great. If he doesnt - he is a solid, complimentary OLB / DE that teams find outside the first round --

where was the texans defense ranked at the end of 2022? pre-anderson?

and where was the texans defense ranked at the end of 2023? after-anderson?

hint: he made a pretty big difference

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I guess? I mean you were disappointed in the result of the trade down; the pick underperformed what your expectation was. Now you're okay with it now; Stout isn't. I don't think anyone's opinions are fixed in stone.

Except he wasn't okay with it at the time either.

If the #27 pick turns out to be a Pro Bowl-caliber player, we'll obviously re-evaluate the trade because we have more data.

Of course.

 

[DVontel]

Obviously fans are going to rate the trade on an ongoing basis

I agree with this after their second season.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree with this after their second season.

Whose second season? The 27th overall pick? That’s a long time to be patient. Gannon could be fired by then.

 

[Totally_Red]

Can you guys at least not judge on whether we won or loss the PJ/Will trade after one season

Especially since #27 and #90 haven't even been drafted yet. The lust for Will Anderson is premature.

 

[DVontel]

Whose second season? The 27th overall pick? That’s a long time to be patient. Gannon could be fired by then.

The PJ/Will trade.

 

[kerouac9]

The PJ/Will trade.

So the end of 2024.

 

[QuebecCard]

where was the texans defense ranked at the end of 2022? pre-anderson?

and where was the texans defense ranked at the end of 2023? after-anderson?

hint: he made a pretty big difference

Will Anderson
2023 - 7 sacks - 45 tackles - TFL - 10 - QB hits - 22

Jonathan Greenard
Sacks: 2022 - 1.5
2023 - 12.5 sacks - 52 tackles - TFL - 15 - QB hits - 22

The guy who made a bigger difference.

 

[SECTION 11]

I don't understand why anyone would disagree with me, because clearly my opinion mirrors Ossenfort's - he has said as much.

Anybody disagreeing with me is just in denial IMO.

I know right? It’s just Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace all over again!

 

[oaken1]

Will Anderson
2023 - 7 sacks - 45 tackles - TFL - 10 - QB hits - 22

Jonathan Greenard
Sacks: 2022 - 1.5
2023 - 12.5 sacks - 52 tackles - TFL - 15 - QB hits - 22

The guy who made a bigger difference.

Yup...team sport...adding talent at one position can improve the results of another.
This is known.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Will Anderson
2023 - 7 sacks - 45 tackles - TFL - 10 - QB hits - 22

Jonathan Greenard
Sacks: 2022 - 1.5
2023 - 12.5 sacks - 52 tackles - TFL - 15 - QB hits - 22

The guy who made a bigger difference.

did you even read what i wrote? it was about the impact anderson made on the texans - from one of the worst defenses in the league to 14th with a playoff win - in one single year

what does jonathan greenard have to do with any of that? are you saying the vikings improved more overall as a team in one season - with greenard than the texans did with anderson? is greenard leading the viking's defense as a captain?

or are you saying you'd take greenard > anderson?

or are you just copy pasting some stats and calling it a day?

 

[Mulli]

Need more Will Anderson thread! Where is @ASUCHRIS?