OT: Adrian Peterson indicted in Child Injury Case

[Reddog]

God help this world. I would advocate not having kids in today's society. No I haven't looked at the pics but I got my ass beat enough to know right from wrong at an early age. I will just pray for all involved. Everyone else wants to tell people how to raise their kids, but no one wants the responsibility themselves. It's a thin line between discipline and abuse. I just think the line is very blurred.


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Take a look at the picture. Not so blurry.

 

[Shaggy]

The reason AP gave why he beat his 4 yrd is that he pushed another kid off a motorcycle game. At 4, he doesn't really know the consequences behind that push yet. Maybe 6, but not 4. I understand punishment maybe needed, or a face to face explanation why what he did was not right, but taking him out for a branch beat down is way beyond what parents would have done 30 years ago. AP went waaaaaaayyyy to far here.

 

[Darkside]

The reason AP gave why he beat his 4 yrd is that he pushed another kid off a motorcycle game. At 4, he doesn't really know the consequences behind that push yet. Maybe 6, but not 4. I understand punishment maybe needed, or a face to face explanation why what he did was not right, but taking him out for a branch beat down is way beyond what parents would have done 30 years ago. AP went waaaaaaayyyy to far here.

Hard to say. I remember being 6 or 7 and putting a plastic bag over my brothers head and squeezing while in the back of our camper while fishing. Think I saw it in a movie or something. That was 37 years ago probably. I got an epic beatdown. What do you consider excessive when another person's life is threatened?

Frankly, back then I was much more upset, and I mean crushed, at my father's utter disappointment afterwards than the beating itself. Probably nobody relates, but that's how it was for me.

It's a different time now.

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[ajcardfan]

The reason AP gave why he beat his 4 yrd is that he pushed another kid off a motorcycle game. At 4, he doesn't really know the consequences behind that push yet. Maybe 6, but not 4. I understand punishment maybe needed, or a face to face explanation why what he did was not right, but taking him out for a branch beat down is way beyond what parents would have done 30 years ago. AP went waaaaaaayyyy to far here.

The best advice I EVER got for parenting was how to discipline a small child..

My wife was a spanker, but I was scared to do it, and didn't like swatting when angry. I'm 6'4" 250 lbs or so. So, someone told me to just restrain the kid by holding their arms and legs so that they can't move. Boy, was that ever effective when my kids were littler. They HATED it, and no pain is involved. I remember one of them even saying, "Can't you just spank me like Mom does?"

Now that they are teens and a pre-teen, I wish I could still do that. Much harder now.

 

[NJCardFan]

Look at the photos.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/#ixzz3D8ff19Ii


No excuse ever for breaking skin.


That is child abuse.

That's aggravated assault.

 

[Darkside]

I actually believe being restrained would cause me more psychological trauma than a beatdown.

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[ajcardfan]

I actually believe being restrained would cause me more psychological trauma than a beatdown.

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Sure, if you tie them up for hours. Hugging them for a few minutes until they calm down.... not the same. I garauntee that if AP had done that, he would not have needed to do it more than twice and the behavior would never be repeated by a 4 year old. And, he wouldn't be in a hell of a lot of trouble, with a kid who is going to be seriously mixed in his feelings about him.

 

[Shaggy]

Hard to say. I remember being 6 or 7 and putting a plastic bag over my brothers head and squeezing while in the back of our camper while fishing. Think I saw it in a movie or something. That was 37 years ago probably. I got an epic beatdown. What do you consider excessive when another person's life is threatened?

Frankly, back then I was much more upset, and I mean crushed, at my father's utter disappointment afterwards than the beating itself. Probably nobody relates, but that's how it was for me.

It's a different time now.

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At that age, you didn't know about the repercussions of putting a bag of someones head. You just saw it in a movie and thought nothing of it. You didn't know what death is or how someone dies when you were 6. If you did, you would have been a pretty smart kid. I got spanked several times for cussing or doing something stupid, but that's when I knew what I was doing or saying was wrong. Your just to young to understand the consequences at that age.

 

[Darkside]

Sure, if you tie them up for hours. Hugging them for a few minutes until they calm down.... not the same.

Probably just me. I don't like being restrained. "Hug" or not. I've been in plenty of fights when I was younger, perhaps I'm accustomed to it or something, even when I lose, but if someone tried to "hug" me, restrain me, hold my arms to my sides, whatever, I'd go completely ape****. Doesn't count for cops though, I've been arrested a couple times and was chill, lol.

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[Shaggy]

Sure, if you tie them up for hours. Hugging them for a few minutes until they calm down.... not the same. I garauntee that if AP had done that, he would not have needed to do it more than twice and the behavior would never be repeated by a 4 year old. And, he wouldn't be in a hell of a lot of trouble, with a kid who is going to be seriously mixed in his feelings about him.

So you just would hold their arms and legs together for a short period of time? Just hold them still?

 

[ajcardfan]

So you just would hold their arms and legs together for a short period of time? Just hold them still?

Yep. Just I would just sit behind them and hug them about the arms and put my legs over theirs. I'm telling you, it does WONDERS with little kids. They just can't stand not being able to move. It was a guy at my church who told me about it, and I'm so thankful for it. Never had to feel bad again for making them cry because I hurt them. And, it actually worked!

To me, it was also a way more effective way to get a message of "that's not okay" across to my kids than spanking.

 

[Darkside]

At that age, you didn't know about the repercussions of putting a bag of someones head. You just saw it in a movie and thought nothing of it. You didn't know what death is or how someone dies when you were 6. If you did, you would have been a pretty smart kid. I got spanked several times for cussing or doing something stupid, but that's when I knew what I was doing or saying was wrong. Your just to young to understand the consequences at that age.

My dad made it pretty clear what the consequences were of putting a plastic bag over my brothers head and cutting off his oxygen flow. I still remember it. I don't even remember the beatdown in detail, I remember what I did and my dad's reaction. After this many years the spankings and whatever blur together and honestly aren't relevant. I remember more about the lessons.

I just honestly think it's a different time. I think better parenting went on back then. I don't advocate corporal punishment by any means, that leaves its own scars. But I know, at least in my own worldview, and my own experience, and what I see around me, that parenting was better then that it is now.

Now everyone advocates having conversations and talking it through. And kids are way more wild with more technology. And the parents doing the talking are freaking idiots. They can't even drive a mile without checking facebook. And we wonder why they don't have the time to adequately parent their kids. It's a joke.

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[ajcardfan]

My dad made it pretty clear what the consequences were of putting a plastic bag over my brothers head and cutting off his oxygen flow. I still remember it. I don't even remember the beatdown in detail, I remember what I did and my dad's reaction. After this many years the spankings and whatever blur together and honestly aren't relevant. I remember more about the lessons.

I just honestly think it's a different time. I think better parenting went on back then. I don't advocate corporal punishment by any means, that leaves its own scars. But I know, at least in my own worldview, and my own experience, and what I see around me, that parenting was better then that it is now.

Now everyone advocates having conversations and talking it through. And kids are way more wild with more technology. And the parents doing the talking are freaking idiots. They can't even drive a mile without checking facebook. And we wonder why they don't have the time to adequately parent their kids. It's a joke.

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I agree. Yes, I can remember my dad taking a belt to me. And, I can remember I actually had to go out and cut my own switch off a tree. But, I ALWAYS knew I was loved. I can especially remember my dad NEVER missing a game of mine. And, he worked hard and a lot. Sometimes, he made almost heroic efforts to get back from where he was doing his research to see at least part of my game. Then, he would always sit and talk with me afterwords about it.

But, I never bled or was bruised by my corporal punishment either.

 

[Darkside]

I agree. Yes, I can remember my dad taking a belt to me. And, I can remember I actually had to go out and cut my own switch off a tree. But, I ALWAYS knew I was loved. I can especially remember my dad NEVER missing a game of mine. And, he worked hard and a lot. Sometimes, he made almost heroic efforts to get back from where he was doing his research to see at least part of my game. Then, he would always sit and talk with me afterwords about it.

But, I never bled or was bruised by my corporal punishment either.

Good post. I had the same, and the bruises and/or bleeding was an extreme exception for me but quite honestly I was an animal as a kid. I mean pure country animal. Probably hard to understand nowdays. I'd go everywhere barefoot, pretended to get on the bus but would walk miles to school just so I could adventure. Wouldn't even go half the time. I can honestly say without that discipline I wouldn't have graduated high school or college. None of my 3 brothers even graduated high school. I did both and am now going for my second degree. Don't regret a single whippin.

Like I said though, four years old is probably too young to even instill a lesson.

Part of me wishes people would just stay out of other people's biz though. If the state had taken me away from my parents I'd never ever have finished college, wouldn't be posting here now and wouldn't be trying to improve even more. Believe me, even back then the state came to my house to check on us. I hid my marks and lied like a ****.

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[Southpaw]

I am astonished by most of the commentary in this thread. From condoning to rationalizing, to personal experience horror stories.

 

[clif]

For the sake of clarity I was pointing to the fact that there is a difference between discipline and abuse. There is a blurry line depending on your perspective. Everyone's view is different. Some people don't believe in spankings at all. I do. I don't condone the severity of what AP did to his son, however it is hard for me to judge what all took place based on pictures alone. No I have not followed the rest of the stuff because frankly I've but a bit of fatigue from this mob mentality that society has taken. (nothing new)

I offered prayer for him AND his son. Try, try, try as you might... a lot of people discipline out anger. Sure it's not right, but it happens and you learn from it. It doesn't mean you are proud of it or even accepting of it. As I have said many times through many scenarios on this board. I just hate to see a guy made out to be a social pariah because of a mistake. Yes I do think it was a mistake. I think he meant to discipline his child and went too far. Yes he will and should suffer the consequences. I don't think he should be in jail, or given an extended ban. We all come from different walks of life and for a lot of kids specifically in the south getting whipped is common place. I'm not here to pass judgment.. even though we all do it subconsciously. I am just saddened by the fact that this will undoubtedly leave a cloud over a guy's life and career due to his celebrity. He will learn from this. He will be a better person. I just urge understanding and forgiveness.

 

[Mulli]

I have zero problem judging him. To do that to a 4 year old is unfathomable.

What a serious *****.

 

[Mulli]

I looked at the pics. Yeah, that's waaaaaaay overboard. I got beat as a kid, and an aunt whipped my ass with a garden hose (metal end hit a few times). I'm not opposed to spanking, never with a belt though (I had lots of belts hit me) but rarely have used it. Rule #1 if you spank should always be never spank if you are angry. If it is to be used it is for a punishment or lesson, not anger or stress release.

So, seeing those pics I am pretty much pained. A 4 year old just can't fathom why that's taking place. What could you do to catch such a beating at that age? How does the first one that whipped out blood not stop AP so that he left another 10 or so? Inner thighs? WTF man. And those pics are from days later? He's pretty effed right now, any more photos surface and he's toast. And rightfully so.



That was hard to read. Ugh. That he even had the balls (no pun intended) to text that is shocking.

What a dbag. Parenting license pulled.

Not Donald.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am astonished by most of the commentary in this thread. From condoning to rationalizing, to personal experience horror stories.

From your comments, I'm guessing you didn't actually read most of the commentary in this thread. Personal experience horror stories yes, but show us all the condoning and and rationalizing? The vast majority of us here have spoken out against Peterson's "apparent" actions.

Steve

 

[D-Dogg]

The best advice I EVER got for parenting was how to discipline a small child..

My wife was a spanker, but I was scared to do it, and didn't like swatting when angry. I'm 6'4" 250 lbs or so. So, someone told me to just restrain the kid by holding their arms and legs so that they can't move. Boy, was that ever effective when my kids were littler. They HATED it, and no pain is involved. I remember one of them even saying, "Can't you just spank me like Mom does?"

Now that they are teens and a pre-teen, I wish I could still do that. Much harder now.

The absolute most common punishment in my household is pushups. They get that for pretty much every infraction. It is healthy, hard and infinitely repeatable. My kids have done upwards of 100 pushups in a setting (oldest daughter had the audacity to talk back WHILE doing pushups once, so it just built). They've been dropped at home, at school, at church, in restaurants and even at Disneyland. I give two efs about anyone who thinks it is an extreme punishment because it is amazingly effective, leads to strong kids both physically and mentally, and the act itself wears them down so there is less argument or backtalk. Worked for me in the Army, works for me as a parent.

Secondarily is taking away media or similar punishments. What's funny is that my youngest (the only one who still has recent memory of any type of spanking) got in trouble at school and I had previously told her she'd get three times the punishment the school doled out. In the car we asked what her punishment should be and she meekly said that it was "something that you don't like to do" and then croaked out "a spanking." Wife and I laughed out loud and said "A spanking? That's such a weak punishment, and doesn't even relate to your offense." Her eyes got huge, because I'm guessing she hoped for our weak ass spanking and to be done in 20 seconds. No, she had her recess/play time taken away for that day, so we took away her media (no minecraft with siblings) for the full weekend, 3 days. She was crushed. THAT is an effective punishment that she'll remember. Not a 20 second swat and a minute of crying.

 

[D-Dogg]

From your comments, I'm guessing you didn't actually read most of the commentary in this thread. Personal experience horror stories yes, but show us all the condoning and and rationalizing? The vast majority of us here have spoken out against Peterson's "apparent" actions.

Steve

Yeah, I have seen only one person somewhat condoning it. And even that was tempered.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

The absolute most common punishment in my household is pushups. They get that for pretty much every infraction. It is healthy, hard and infinitely repeatable. My kids have done upwards of 100 pushups in a setting (oldest daughter had the audacity to talk back WHILE doing pushups once, so it just built). They've been dropped at home, at school, at church, in restaurants and even at Disneyland. I give two efs about anyone who thinks it is an extreme punishment because it is amazingly effective, leads to strong kids both physically and mentally, and the act itself wears them down so there is less argument or backtalk. Worked for me in the Army, works for me as a parent.

I'm not a parent, but that sounds like a great plan.

 

[asudevil83]

I'm wondering how many people here are in favor of whooping your child, but think that whooping your wife is savage.

Spankings are not meant to inflict true pain. Spankings are meant to show the kid who's boss. Its meant to instill the fear...that as your parent you do what i say. I remember the last time i was spanked, and i laughed. my mom COULD have made it worse, but she didnt. She knew she could have HURT me if she wanted, but didnt because you dont HURT your child under any circumstances.

So in this situation, you dont make a 4 year old CHILD bleed.
a.) they are 4.
b.) you mold them. Peterson said himself that he got the same treatment as a kid. All it takes is going too far to start a DANGEROUS cycle of abuse.

I'm curious how the NFL parallels this to the Ray Rice situation. I feel like if Peterson gets any other treatment than Rice then the NFL will be sending a message in he media's eyes. Its ok to hit your child, but its not ok to hit your wife. OR its ok to abuse a male but not a female. And does the NFL risk a video coming out? We have pictures, and who is it to say that the mother didnt film the aftermath of the abuse?

 

[MrYeahBut]

Even though I don't know anything about the facts of the case, just based on the allegations the 9ers should at least deactivate MacDonald.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm wondering how many people here are in favor of whooping your child, but think that whooping your wife is savage.

Spankings are not meant to inflict true pain. Spankings are meant to show the kid who's boss. Its meant to instill the fear...that as your parent you do what i say. I remember the last time i was spanked, and i laughed. my mom COULD have made it worse, but she didnt. She knew she could have HURT me if she wanted, but didnt because you dont HURT your child under any circumstances.

So in this situation, you dont make a 4 year old CHILD bleed.
a.) they are 4.
b.) you mold them. Peterson said himself that he got the same treatment as a kid. All it takes is going too far to start a DANGEROUS cycle of abuse.

I'm curious how the NFL parallels this to the Ray Rice situation. I feel like if Peterson gets any other treatment than Rice then the NFL will be sending a message in he media's eyes. Its ok to hit your child, but its not ok to hit your wife. OR its ok to abuse a male but not a female. And does the NFL risk a video coming out? We have pictures, and who is it to say that the mother didnt film the aftermath of the abuse?

I really don't know what should happen to him but it's not the same thing as the Rice situation, it's not even all that similar. You have a right and a responsibility to discipline your children. You have neither the right nor the responsibility to cold **** your girlfriend. If he did this to establish discipline, he needs to understand that he went too far and he needs to learn a better way to teach his children to behave.

I don't know if or how Peterson should be punished, I'll leave that to the courts. But if he'd done the equivalent to this child that Ray did to his girlfriend, I'd be in favor of locking him up and throwing away the key. It's the difference between ignorance and evil IMO.

Steve