OT: Adrian Peterson indicted in Child Injury Case

[Redneck Voodoo]

Want to know why Adrian Peterson is playing Sunday?

2-1 teams have 55% percent of making playoffs.

1-2 teams have less than 25% chance.

uh huh.

 

[Mulli]

It really seems like people only say let the courts decide if people are famous.

 

[Dback Jon]

Sorry, but parental discipline can be a very subjective topic and you or anyone else on this board has zero right to say what is or is not excessive. In Texas a parent is allowed to discipline their child and the judicial system will determine if it's excessive.

You can have your opinion on what is or is not excessive, but that doesn't make it wrong or illegal for someone else to believe different.

As for my lynch mob "mentality" (not action) comment. Let's use this board as an example. There were/are potentially thousands of kids right here in AZ being abused and CPS F'd it up big time. Yet, that thread garnered a measly 3 pages of which several posts diverted to taxes. AP's thread is 12 pages and growing.

Point is he's rich and famous so there's going to be more attention to him, but none of use have any right to judge him on how he disciplines his kids. Let the law do that.

You could not be more wrong. Just because a back-assward area thinks it is ok, doesn't make it ok. This is the same mentality that believed owning slaves was ok, and whipping them to give discipline was ok.

Parents have the right to discipline, but not abuse. Beating a child with a switch is abuse, plain and simple. Nothing subjective about it.

 

[Dback Jon]

There should be more outrage when a parent fails their children than when an overworked system fails them. If we didn't have so many Adrian Petersons in this world, we wouldn't need CPS in the first place.

Bingo!


If the Adrian Petersons of the world weren't out screwing without protection every woman that threw themselves at him, and leaving kids everywhere that he sees when it is convienent for him to do so, this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Dback Jon]

Chris Kluwe had a valid point about Vikings management.

Yup - they are scum

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

You could not be more wrong. Just because a back-assward area thinks it is ok, doesn't make it ok. This is the same mentality that believed owning slaves was ok, and whipping them to give discipline was ok.

Parents have the right to discipline, but not abuse. Beating a child with a switch is abuse, plain and simple. Nothing subjective about it.

Agreed.

 

[Buckybird]

After seeing all this & how these last 3 incedencies are magnifying by the day, I think it's fair to say there's no doubt Dweeds days in AZ are over.

 

[Covert Rain]

Sorry, but parental discipline can be a very subjective topic and you or anyone else on this board has zero right to say what is or is not excessive. In Texas a parent is allowed to discipline their child and the judicial system will determine if it's excessive.

Just because something can be called subjective doesn't mean it's so. Leaving bleed marks on your child is not subjective. It might be to the person committing the act but that doesn't mean it is to normal human beings. I am sure most thieves on some level say they are doing it for good reasons (i.e. pay bills) etc. That doesn't mean the act of doing so is subjective one bit.

There are many things that can be considered part of our culture but that doesn't make it anymore justified. Hitting your kid until they bleed or with an object that makes them bleed is NOT opinion. Even the doctor said it was excessive.

As for my lynch mob "mentality" (not action) comment. Let's use this board as an example. There were/are potentially thousands of kids right here in AZ being abused and CPS F'd it up big time. Yet, that thread garnered a measly 3 pages of which several posts diverted to taxes. AP's thread is 12 pages and growing.

So, thread response is your measure of public outrage? How ridiculous is that? I don't comment on many of those types of threads not because I don't care but because those types of threads are both depressing and piss me off. Just like the news, it's draining.

That in no way shape or form is any kind of measure to public outrage. I think it's more of a product that when a celebrity or someone who is suppose to be a role model commits these crimes it GARNERS MORE ATTENTION. That has nothing to do with mob mentality or public outcry being any less than for the average person.

none of use have any right to judge him on how he disciplines his kids. Let the law do that.

The hell we don't. I have a right to judge how my money is spent and on whom it's being spent. The entertainment industry asks me to spend my hard earned dollar on the product. I have the right based on my own beliefs to decide if that product lives up to my expectations and if it's worth spending money on.

Dirt bags who beat their children until they bleed don't live up to my standards for people who get paid a ton of money to play a game.

Slavery used to be legal in many states. So based on that logic the rest of the country had no right to judge that act either because it was legal in other states. This isn't just a legal issue. This is a freaking issue of human decency to kids that are too little to protect themselves from an adult...let alone someone AP size.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So whipping as a form of punishment is part of southern black culture??? That seems so incredibly messed up.

It most definitely is. Growing up in early childhood with my father that was from New Orleans, it happens nearly every day with nearly every kid in the neighborhood. This type of discipline is usually the first type that is tried in this culture. I can attest.

I often wonder how being hit with switches, belts, and paddles in my early childhood has affected me in the long term. I'd personally say that they helped me, a lot. I know I turned out ok. Every kid reacts differently to different types of discipline though. Food for thought.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just because something can be called subjective doesn't mean it's so. Leaving bleed marks on your child is not subjective. It might be to the person committing the act but that doesn't mean it is to normal human beings. I am sure most thieves on some level say they are doing it for good reasons (i.e. pay bills) etc. That doesn't mean the act of doing so is subjective one bit.

Sure it is. Just because you think it is abhorrent, doesn't mean the guy next to you does. Pretty much the definition of subjective. Don't you think?

 

[Buckybird]

It most definitely is. Growing up in early childhood with my father that was from New Orleans, it happens nearly every day with nearly every kid in the neighborhood. This type of discipline is usually the first type that is tried in this culture. I can attest.

I often wonder how being hit with switches, belts, and paddles in my early childhood has affected me in the long term. I'd personally say that they helped me, a lot. I know I turned out ok. Every kid reacts differently to different types of discipline though. Food for thought.

I agree to a point. I took lots of belt & switch beatings from my dad as well...many times I couldn't wear shorts for days cause of the bruises. I hated him for it, but also respected him being my father as well & he probably kept me out of a lot of trouble for it.

It's abuse & not right so I don't condone what AD did...times have changed. I have never laid a hand on a child or a woman.

 

[Azlen]

Sure it is. Just because you think it is abhorrent, doesn't mean the guy next to you does. Pretty much the definition of subjective. Don't you think?

So what if the guy next to you thinks that rape is justified because she dressed in a certain way or that dragging someone behind you in a car is okay because it's part of the culture? Not everyone has to agree on something for it to be clearly wrong.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You could not be more wrong. Just because a back-assward area thinks it is ok, doesn't make it ok. This is the same mentality that believed owning slaves was ok, and whipping them to give discipline was ok.

Parents have the right to discipline, but not abuse. Beating a child with a switch is abuse, plain and simple. Nothing subjective about it.

It is subjective if there are enough people to make it so.

 

[Mulli]

Sure it is. Just because you think it is abhorrent, doesn't mean the guy next to you does. Pretty much the definition of subjective. Don't you think?

Making a 4 year old kid's scrotum bleed is abhorrent. Not subjective. Not a judgment call.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Making a 4 year old kid's scrotum bleed is abhorrent. Not subjective. Not a judgment call.

agreed.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So what if the guy next to you thinks that rape is justified because she dressed in a certain way or that dragging someone behind you in a car is okay because it's part of the culture? Not everyone has to agree on something for it to be clearly wrong.

Can we please stick to the topic in hand, child discipline?

It isn't about being agreeable. EVERYONE is judged as a parent on how they raise their child. From the way that they handle a kid throwing a tantrum in a grocery store to the way that the behave in school and beyond. How many times have you been in a grocery store and seen a kid act out and had thoughts about the parenting skills at hand. Every one of us.

There are people that say you shouldn't spank a child, to the ones that say that you shouldn't even yell at a child.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Making a 4 year old kid's scrotum bleed is abhorrent. Not subjective. Not a judgment call.

It is abhorrent, but it absolutely is subjective. Peterson in this case went over the line. My point is that the hitting the kid with a switch alone isn't over the line IMO.

 

[Phrazbit]

It is abhorrent, but it absolutely is subjective. Peterson in this case went over the line. My point is that the hitting the kid with a switch alone isn't over the line IMO.

A four year old? There is no situation where hitting a 4 year old with what is basically a whip is anything but flat out abuse.

 

[crisper57]

Didn't President Clinton appeal to some country that was going to cane an American teenager? And that was in the 90's! But when an NFL star does it back home, there is room to debate?

 

[Duckjake]

The Arizona Self Righteous Sports Fans Network.

 

[Mulli]

It is abhorrent, but it absolutely is subjective. Peterson in this case went over the line. My point is that the hitting the kid with a switch alone isn't over the line IMO.

I see now that that was your point

 

[Mulli]

The Arizona Self Righteous Sports Fans Network.

Shush up! Haha

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

I'm utterly befuddled

...how anyone in their right mind could come to think that being struck with a switch (stick), belt, board or any potentially, harmful object, could have ever resulted in anything positive in their lives...especially at 4 years old. You might be able to say that it put enough fear in you to not do something again, but Jesus. To say that you turned out all right is to say you were lucky. Hell, I know a woman who was raped continuously by her father while her mother held her hand. By all accounts, she turned out all right. But do you think it was a positive experience?

There are better ways to handle discipline with our children. I wasn't always handled with kid gloves but there were better ways for my parents to have done it. That doesn't mean I disrespect them. It simply means that there are better ways. Parents aren't perfect. I get that. But to rule by fear is never the answer. I will never stand down from that.

Now if you need to defend your life, then by all means pick something up and go to it.
Otherwise, Isaac Asimov had it right. "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

 

[Covert Rain]

It is abhorrent, but it absolutely is subjective. Peterson in this case went over the line. My point is that the hitting the kid with a switch alone isn't over the line IMO.

Well if that was the only thing that happened you might and I do say might have a case. So..sticking with the facts, he made the kid bleed and hit him on the scrotum. That is hardly subjective.

To me that might be arbitrary because in that case AP actions are subject to his individual will or judgment. However, subjectively, the general consensus or attribute of society says hurting a kid until they bleed or whacking him on the scrotum is wrong. I never said that means 100% agreement.

There are a bunch of yahoos that thinks whites are the only race that deserves to be alive. For those individuals I guess you could argue that is subjective opinion but not subjective logic as the normal societal attributes would say otherwise.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

A four year old? There is no situation where hitting a 4 year old with what is basically a whip is anything but flat out abuse.

Yeah, a four year old. I was beaten at 4 and 5 as well. It wasn't considered abuse, it was discipline. It still is for many people.

That isn't to say that Peterson didn't go to far in this case, he did.