OT: Air McNair found shot to death

[Diamondback Jay]

Superstar professional athlete sweeps twenty something girl off her feet.

He pays for her to live the lavish lifestyle, paying for her new car, her condo in downtown Nashville, the trips to Cabo, Vegas and other extravagant locations and treats this said girl to the high life.

Superstar athlete decides the relationship is getting too hot under the collar when the said girl asks him to divorce his wife and marry her. This after girl was caught with him in the car registered to both of their names by the cops.

He decides to cut it off, goes to break it to the girl. Distraught, she decides if she can't have him, noone can and pops him.

Knowing her gravy train is now gone, and upon realizing what she's done, while facing the reality of spending a lifetime behind bars, she decides her best bet is to take her own life then pops herself.

Some seem to be having a hard time thinking this is possible. Why?

Yes, Steve McNair was a hell of a Quarterback. He also seemed to be quite the charitable person in Nashville. However, does any of this equate to him being a good husband? Trust me, I know many of people (my own father included) who would give the shirt off his back for everyone else, but treat his spouses like toys, carrying on enough relationships on the side to make a Las Vegas brothel blush in envy.

I guarantee you, Sahel Kazemi was not the first extra piece of pie Steve McNair dipped his fingers in to.. This girl was not his first ride on the rodeo, however, it ultimately proved to be his last.

While I hope both McNair and Kazemi rest wherever they wind up going for eternity, it's McNair's children I feel the most for. Now, they have to grow up without a dad, and eventually they're going to have the reality of why their father went away laid in front of them, which is more painful than anything here.

 

[RavensSuck1989]

Superstar professional athlete sweeps twenty something girl off her feet.

He pays for her to live the lavish lifestyle, paying for her new car, her condo in downtown Nashville, the trips to Cabo, Vegas and other extravagant locations and treats this said girl to the high life.

Superstar athlete decides the relationship is getting too hot under the collar when the said girl asks him to divorce his wife and marry her. This after girl was caught with him in the car registered to both of their names by the cops.

He decides to cut it off, goes to break it to the girl. Distraught, she decides if she can't have him, noone can and pops him.

Knowing her gravy train is now gone, and upon realizing what she's done, while facing the reality of spending a lifetime behind bars, she decides her best bet is to take her own life then pops herself.

Some seem to be having a hard time thinking this is possible. Why?

Yes, Steve McNair was a hell of a Quarterback. He also seemed to be quite the charitable person in Nashville. However, does any of this equate to him being a good husband? Trust me, I know many of people (my own father included) who would give the shirt off his back for everyone else, but treat his spouses like toys, carrying on enough relationships on the side to make a Las Vegas brothel blush in envy.

I guarantee you, Sahel Kazemi was not the first extra piece of pie Steve McNair dipped his fingers in to.. This girl was not his first ride on the rodeo, however, it ultimately proved to be his last.

While I hope both McNair and Kazemi rest wherever they wind up going for eternity, it's McNair's children I feel the most for. Now, they have to grow up without a dad, and eventually they're going to have the reality of why their father went away laid in front of them, which is more painful than anything here.

Again, that's the logical assumption. I wish people would not take what I say out of context. It is a little hard for me to believe a woman would take her own life after killing her boyfriend... especially with a gunshot to the head. It's a woman's work to shoot themself in the abdomen or somewhere else... believe that. We'll have to wait for ballistics to prove where the shot took place and where the exit wound was (if there was one).

Yes, everything points to Kazemi being the murderer and taking her own life. But, we know very little about her. Did she have a boyfriend on the side? Did she have multiple boyfriends on the side?... who knows. This is exactly what I'm trying to say, and quite frankly, I'm a little disturbed that everyone is just writing this thing off already.

The police are not calling it a murder/suicide yet. Why so avidly act as if it is all written in stone?

Wait for the gun residue results to come in. Wait for fingerprints. Wait for ballistics. Wait to find out who owns the gun. Just wait.

Quit jumping to conclusions. Nothing is hard to believe at this point. Use your imagination. There are many other possibilities that come into play.

What's the likelihood that Kazemi killed McNair and then took her own life? Pretty high.

What's the likelihood that something else happened? Low... But that doesn't matter. It's possible.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

It is a little hard for me to believe a woman would take her own life after killing her boyfriend... especially with a gunshot to the head.

Why is it so hard for you to believe?
It happens all the time, Did you never get around to googling what I said earlier in this thread?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Definitely a relationship here that must have gone wrong...

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[RavensSuck1989]

Why is it so hard for you to believe?
It happens all the time, Did you never get around to googling what I said earlier in this thread?

Yes. There were very few cases, and none of them were descriptive. If you read through them closely, you'd realize that almost all of them are about a girl killing their boyfriend, but not themself.

I guarantee you that 95% of the time a woman kills her boyfriend, she runs. I guarantee you that at least 70% of the time a woman kills herself she doesn't put a bullet in her head.

And why the hell are you still sitting here debating something that I am claiming is a possibility. If it's possible don't rule it out. I just think people should wait before they start assuming things. It's a time of grieving for both families. Just let it rest.

 

[Ryanwb]

I didn't realize we had so many forensic pathologists on the board. Did you guys get that degree online or are most of the credits earned watching true crime reality shows?

 

[Brianellsworth]

I didn't realize we had so many forensic pathologists on the board. Did you guys get that degree online or are most of the credits earned watching true crime reality shows?

From what I have read it sounds a little like with a combination of everyones posts it would make a great episode of law and order or csi.

I don't know where everyones else got their degree but I got my law degree, masters, and my doctorate online in less then ten minutes. I give asfn discounts if anyone needs anything....

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Yes. There were very few cases, and none of them were descriptive. If you read through them closely, you'd realize that almost all of them are about a girl killing their boyfriend, but not themself.

I guarantee you that 95% of the time a woman kills her boyfriend, she runs. I guarantee you that at least 70% of the time a woman kills herself she doesn't put a bullet in her head.

And why the hell are you still sitting here debating something that I am claiming is a possibility. If it's possible don't rule it out. I just think people should wait before they start assuming things. It's a time of grieving for both families. Just let it rest.

LMAO, You're delusional.

There is 85 fricking pages of results.
Read em all did ya?

I'm only debating it because you said it NEVER happens (or maybe once in a while lol)

That's clearly not the case.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I didn't realize we had so many forensic pathologists on the board. Did you guys get that degree online or are most of the credits earned watching true crime reality shows?

i got mine at the University of Phoenix. I hear they have a pretty good football team this year .

 

[RavensSuck1989]

LMAO, You're delusional.

There is 85 fricking pages of results.
Read em all did ya?

I'm only debating it because you said it NEVER happens (or maybe once in a while lol)

That's clearly not the case.

I said I've never heard of it... I said I'm sure there's been cases, but it's a rarity.

I'm delusional, am I? Or do you just not know how google works?

Yea, I think you just don't know how google works... it picks up on key words. That means it will find articles of a woman killing her boyfriend and separate articles of a woman killing herself. Get it?

You tried really hard to prove me wrong that it is a rarity for a woman to kill her boyfriend and then kill herself with a bullet to the head, but you actually failed. You didn't pay attention to how few of those articles actually discussed that very thing. They were usually about a woman killing her boyfriend or a woman killing herself.

How stupid do you feel right now?

By the way, type in "So Cal has a small penis"... look at all the results. 86 pages!!! HAHAHAHA more than "woman kills boyfriend, then herself". By your logic, that means every single story must be about So Cal having a small penis.

Did you honestly think those 85 pages were all about a woman killing her boyfriend and then herself? Wow.

On the first page... out of ten stories, only three actually talked about a woman killing her boyfriend and then herself. After page one, the results get slimmer and very repetitive. I'd be willing to bet there are only 4 or 5 more cases after the first page... so that's 7 or 8 stories about a woman killing her boyfriend then herself ever reported! WOW! You've done a damn fine job proving me wrong... just kidding. You've actually helped my case by bringing up the whole google thing.

GOOD JOB! I hope you've learned something today!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I said I've never heard of it... I said I'm sure there's been cases, but it's a rarity.

I'm delusional, am I? Or do you just not know how google works?

Yea, I think you just don't know how google works... it picks up on key words. That means it will find articles of a woman killing her boyfriend and separate articles of a woman killing herself. Get it?

You tried really hard to prove me wrong that it is a rarity for a woman to kill her boyfriend and then kill herself with a bullet to the head, but you actually failed. You didn't pay attention to how few of those articles actually discussed that very thing. They were usually about a woman killing her boyfriend or a woman killing herself.

How stupid do you feel right now?

By the way, type in "So Cal has a small penis"... look at all the results. 86 pages!!! HAHAHAHA more than "woman kills boyfriend, then herself". By your logic, that means every single story must be about So Cal having a small penis.

Did you honestly think those 85 pages were all about a woman killing her boyfriend and then herself? Wow.

On the first page... out of ten stories, only three actually talked about a woman killing her boyfriend and then herself. After page one, the results get slimmer and very repetitive. I'd be willing to bet there are only 4 or 5 more cases after the first page... so that's 7 or 8 stories about a woman killing her boyfriend then herself ever reported! WOW! You've done a damn fine job proving me wrong... just kidding. You've actually helped my case by bringing up the whole google thing.

GOOD JOB! I hope you've learned something today!

When I post you 20 or so direct links to said incidents that you say never/rarely happens.. will you ****?

 

[RavensSuck1989]

When I post you 20 or so direct links to said incidents that you say never/rarely happens.. will you ****?

Yep, but I guarantee you you aren't going to give me what I need to see to change my mind.

It's a fact that it's a rare case, and I'm not sure why you're arguing it.

Even if you do find 20 stories, how does that make it common?

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Yep, but I guarantee you you aren't going to give me what I need to see to change my mind.

It's a fact that it's a rare case, and I'm not sure why you're arguing it.

Even if you do find 20 stories, how does that make it common?

How the hell does something you say NEVER happens get turned into me saying it's common? If common means a hell of lot more often than never/rarely, than...ya, It's common lol.

lmao

http://www.azcentral.com/community/.../06/01/20090601abrk-updatesundayshooting.html

oh lookie.. one right here in good ol AZ about a month ago to start with.

Yep, very rare.

 

[Brianellsworth]

This thread should not be used to argue in IMHO. Take it to the p and r board if u guys really wanna argue over this. Seriously your senseless posts back and forth are ruining the purpose of this thread

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This thread should not be used to argue in IMHO. Take it to the p and r board if u guys really wanna argue over this. Seriously your senseless posts back and forth are ruining the purpose of this thread

lol, agreed... We can take this silliness to PM's if you wish Raven.

 

[Brianellsworth]

lol, agreed... We can take this silliness to PM's if you wish Raven.

Thank you. Sorry if I came off strong I really am not tryin to cause problems but after seeing all the posts back and forth it just got old. Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from I appreciate it!

 

[RavensSuck1989]

Yes, take it to PM.

 

[Dback Jon]

Having Lived in Nashville, McNair, while a nice guy, definately was a partier who cheated numerous times (or at least was always seen at the clubs with women who were not his wife), had a DUI - party boy to be sure.

No saint, and yes, he did contribute to his own death. Didn't deserve to be shot (unless he threatened to kill the woman, which we will probably never know exactly what happened), but had been playng with fire for years.

 

[JeffGollin]

On Further Review...

This is what's been running thru my head -

1. We may think we know, but we don't really know - at least not yet.

2. Reports are that his wife was unaware of Steve's current philandering.

3. The girl was only 20 (making it pretty unlikely this was a long-term relationship)

4. Whose gun was it?

5. Where'd the gun come from? (Steve had a permit for a hand gun. The apparent murder weapon was a semi-automatic. I don't know much about guns. Were the two guns one in the same? Or was the semi-automatic unregistered?

6. In the wake of all this is a widow (& I'm assuming at least one child without a father).

7. Part of the tragedy is that this isn't the first example of something like this ever happening. Think about it - A senator - latest in a series - meets his "soul mate" in Argentina. A rock star, said to abuse drugs, dies before his time. A former football star takes up with a 20 year old and winds up dead. When will we ever learn? (Life is so fragile).

8. That said - who are we to judge? (There for but the grace of God...) It's just so darned tragic.

 

[AzKarl]

Let me clarify

To say that McNair chose a path that led to his violent murder because he was unfaithful to his wife and was in the presence of a gal who recently been charged with DUI is absurd. Maybe if the facts were that McNair had been down in TJ, had just knocked off a drug kingpin and was trying to bring 50 pounds of meth over the border, I would agree he chose his path. To say he did so because he was unfaithful to his wife is just ridiculous as well as disrespectful to a guy who was just murdered yesterday. Unreal.

Shane below has correctly re-stated the point of my original post. Why would we mourn him as some kind of hero when his own stupid behavior put him in this potentially explosive situation? The woman's statement that she was high and not drunk when pulled over for DUI was somewhat telling. Either he was hanging out with someone who used drugs or he himself was involved. Any person's death in this manner is a tragedy but I'm not going to call Steve McNair a hero and go nuts memorializing him because it appears that this behavior and involvement in extramarital relationships was fairly ongoing and we all know in real life that it can be a catalyst for tragic outcomes. People who are not famous die this way every day and don't get the same hype. The lesson here should be to avoid stupid behavior even if you are a celebrity and think you are immune to these sort of outcomes. Look at the pain his wife and 4 children have to endure for his mis-judgement? Unfortunately, for Steve McNair he paid the ultimate price of accountability.

 

[AzKarl]

Thank you for trying to help me clarify my post. You are making my point precisely. No one wishes anyone to die. My point is we glorify athletes so much and don't learn the real lesson here. The world is doing the same thing with Michael Jackson.

 

[arthurracoon]

3. The girl was only 20 (making it pretty unlikely this was a long-term relationship)

They had free copies of the Tennessean yesterday at the grocery store - read an article similar to this:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090706/NEWS03/907060343/Girlfriend+had+hoped+to+wed+McNair

 

[Kel Varnsen]

actually it was Jeff Goldblum but luckly it was just a real bad hoax that some reporter made up.... Just go to imdb.com and type in that name and you will find the information.

I hadn't heard this. What is wrong with people?

 

[Renz]

Definitely a relationship here that must have gone wrong...

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McNair obviously wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He wasn't exactly going to great lengths to conceal his affair.

Maybe he felt guilty and was just trying to give his wife more ammo in the divorce proceedings.

 

[Russ Smith]

FYI they were discussing this on ESPN2 First Take. Bayless said that reports are McNair's house was up for sale, and they are wondering if he and his wife had already split up, it wasn't publicly known, and that this other woman was his girlfriend and the wife knew all about it because they were separated?

They also said the police seem pretty convinced it's a murder suicide and the 20 year old pulled the trigger.