OT anybody else feel this way about Denver this year

[Russ Smith]

Seems to me like the NFL has almost decided Peyton won't be around forever and they want him to get another Super Bowl?

He's a great player don't get me wrong but watching last night even CBS was being blunt about it, that's a pick play, 2 guys blocking downfield. That's the 3rd successful pick play they've run on this drive, they said it over and over last night.

Then the pivotal play of the game SD picks off a pass in the endzone runs it out to the 20 and the refs call it back for defensive holding. Watch the replay,the contact is within 5 yards, and there is less holding on the defender than there was on the plays where Welker was blocking downfield on pick plays. And the biggest thing, the contact didn't cause the INT, Weddle jumped in front of the play, when that ball is picked Welker is BEHIND Weddle, the ball is picked because Weddle made a great play, the contact didn't stop Welker from being there.

I saw the look on the SD coaches and players at that point it was like ok we get it, you're not going to let them lose tonight.

I think they are the best team in football right now, but I also think there's just this push for them to win a SB.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I do not believe games are rigged but I do believe at times the NFL does go, "When in doubt, side with this team." I thought last year in Philly we had to play against the refs as well as the Eagles due to this stance by the referees. Possibly the NFL, is helping along the Manning Broncos with some active wishful thinking... you can beat Denver, but you will have to play perfect and overcome the fates lol

 

[Azlen]

Peyton had the Denver scoreboard operator working against him so the refs probably thought they had to balance things out a bit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...-scoreboard-operator-after-win-060756510.html

 

[DeAnna]

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, but I do believe that, when in doubt, the refs certainly rule in favor of the home team or the 'better' team.

Having said that, the Broncos look unstoppable right now. I'd be surprised of they lose another game this season.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, but I do believe that, when in doubt, the refs certainly rule in favor of the home team or the 'better' team.

Having said that, the Broncos look unstoppable right now. I'd be surprised of they lose another game this season.

I agree with the first part of your post but I don't think the Broncos are all that special. We were only down by 4 going into the 4th quarter despite starting our 2nd string QB. We probably lose that game anyway but losing our two most important defensive players in that game and having to finish the game with our 3rd string rookie QB made a close game into a farce. And this most recent win was against an even more injury depleted squad. I think the Ravens and maybe even the Colts are playing better football right now but we'll see.

Steve

 

[jmt]

Seems to me like the NFL has almost decided Peyton won't be around forever and they want him to get another Super Bowl?

He's a great player don't get me wrong but watching last night even CBS was being blunt about it, that's a pick play, 2 guys blocking downfield. That's the 3rd successful pick play they've run on this drive, they said it over and over last night.

Then the pivotal play of the game SD picks off a pass in the endzone runs it out to the 20 and the refs call it back for defensive holding. Watch the replay,the contact is within 5 yards, and there is less holding on the defender than there was on the plays where Welker was blocking downfield on pick plays. And the biggest thing, the contact didn't cause the INT, Weddle jumped in front of the play, when that ball is picked Welker is BEHIND Weddle, the ball is picked because Weddle made a great play, the contact didn't stop Welker from being there.

I saw the look on the SD coaches and players at that point it was like ok we get it, you're not going to let them lose tonight.

I think they are the best team in football right now, but I also think there's just this push for them to win a SB.

The pik and the "no" fumble before half were huge. Broncos are playing great but getting all the calls too. Personally I'm tired of Peyton and root against Denver (except vs. NFC West).

 

[Mulli]

The unstoppable teams from October often become very stoppable in January.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, but I do believe that, when in doubt, the refs certainly rule in favor of the home team or the 'better' team.

Having said that, the Broncos look unstoppable right now. I'd be surprised of they lose another game this season.

It's always hard to know but watching both live and on replay it appears the flag doesn't come out until after the ref realizes Weddle made the INT. The contact by the other DB wasn't the key there unless we're supposed to believe Welker was going to run that route where Weddle was and had to go deeper because of the contact. Manning IMO was trying to lob the ball over the top of Welker's man, the problem is he didn't see Weddle on the other side and he made a great play and then suddenly the ref throws the flag. The contact occurs prior to the ball being caught, there is no flag until after the ball is caught.

In basketball that's normal, a foul is supposed to be a play where someone gains an advantage so they will often not call a foul if there is no advantage. But in the NFL that's not the case. We had the play in the endzone where they called PI on denver, then huddled ,and then picked up the flag. Even CBS' ref expert said the appropriate call there was PI.

I just get the impression that there is this narrative out there because Manning broke the record and is having an incredible year and they're just not going to make it easy for him to lose.

They have been fortunate too they keep playing teams decimated by injury. They're really good don't get me wrong, they're clearly good enough to win a Super Bowl, I just think they are getting absolutely every call this year.

 

[CardLogic]

I don't beleive there is any conspiracy. But a majority of the calls do seem to be going Denver's way, and they certainly did last night vs. San Diego.

 

[crisper57]

I think refs tend to side with the home team when in doubt...unless the home team is a (perceived) bottom-dweller. See: Rams/Seahawks last week on that fumble recovery non-review.

 

[TRW]

I have noticed a LOT of teams running those pick plays this year. It doesn't get called very often for any team.

It will probably be the "focus" after Peyton gets his SB ring

 

[Rivercard]

I think there's just this push for them to win a SB.

Just knowing how greedy the NFL is makes that seem very possible. The NFL seemingly will do ANYTHING to make more $$. Of course if it were ever proven that the league is giving preferrable treatment to any team, the sport would be seriously damaged. Would a feel-good Manning Super Bowl journey be profitable enough for them to risk a scandal like that?

 

[NJCardFan]

I do not believe games are rigged but I do believe at times the NFL does go, "When in doubt, side with this team." I thought last year in Philly we had to play against the refs as well as the Eagles due to this stance by the referees. Possibly the NFL, is helping along the Manning Broncos with some active wishful thinking... you can beat Denver, but you will have to play perfect and overcome the fates lol

I'm not so sure sometimes Jet. An NBA official admitted as much for the NBA so it stands to reason that it happens in all leagues. Now, bad calls happen but anyone with 1 working eye can tell the difference between a simple blown call due to human error and a blatant 'homer' or favored team type calls. I remember such a call back in 1984. Cards were home playing the Cowboys. Cowboys go up 24-17 in the 4th quarter. Neil Lomax throws a bomb to your namesake. TD...but wait, there's a flag down field. Now when you see a flag in this instance, 99.999999999999996% of the time it's defensive pass interference which is declined, TD stands. Even Lomax thought so because he's running down field with his hands up signifying TD. Nope, official calls offensive PI on Green even though replay after replay showed that Walls was trying to pin Green's left arm down. If the Cards win that game, they win the division as long as the rest of the games stay as they were.

Cowboys/Cards again 1998. Cowboys go up 28-0 in the first half(first half ends 28-7 as Cards score with seconds left in the half. 2nd half comes and the Cards chip away. 28-14...Pokes score to go up 35-14, game is seemingly over by now. Nope. Cards fight back. 35-21...35-28...then the Cards are in the red zone, Plummer throws to the endzone to, IIRC, Rob Moore who is absolutely blasted in the endzone. No call. Simply blatant calls that go the Cowboys way. That is not a coincidence.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not so sure sometimes Jet. An NBA official admitted as much for the NBA so it stands to reason that it happens in all leagues. Now, bad calls happen but anyone with 1 working eye can tell the difference between a simple blown call due to human error and a blatant 'homer' or favored team type calls. I remember such a call back in 1984. Cards were home playing the Cowboys. Cowboys go up 24-17 in the 4th quarter. Neil Lomax throws a bomb to your namesake. TD...but wait, there's a flag down field. Now when you see a flag in this instance, 99.999999999999996% of the time it's defensive pass interference which is declined, TD stands. Even Lomax thought so because he's running down field with his hands up signifying TD. Nope, official calls offensive PI on Green even though replay after replay showed that Walls was trying to pin Green's left arm down. If the Cards win that game, they win the division as long as the rest of the games stay as they were.

Cowboys/Cards again 1998. Cowboys go up 28-0 in the first half(first half ends 28-7 as Cards score with seconds left in the half. 2nd half comes and the Cards chip away. 28-14...Pokes score to go up 35-14, game is seemingly over by now. Nope. Cards fight back. 35-21...35-28...then the Cards are in the red zone, Plummer throws to the endzone to, IIRC, Rob Moore who is absolutely blasted in the endzone. No call. Simply blatant calls that go the Cowboys way. That is not a coincidence.

No he didn't. An NBA official that was guilty of gambling on NBA games ACCUSED some referees of calling games based on who they believed the NBA wanted to win. Big difference.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not so sure sometimes Jet. An NBA official admitted as much for the NBA so it stands to reason that it happens in all leagues. Now, bad calls happen but anyone with 1 working eye can tell the difference between a simple blown call due to human error and a blatant 'homer' or favored team type calls. I remember such a call back in 1984. Cards were home playing the Cowboys. Cowboys go up 24-17 in the 4th quarter. Neil Lomax throws a bomb to your namesake. TD...but wait, there's a flag down field. Now when you see a flag in this instance, 99.999999999999996% of the time it's defensive pass interference which is declined, TD stands. Even Lomax thought so because he's running down field with his hands up signifying TD. Nope, official calls offensive PI on Green even though replay after replay showed that Walls was trying to pin Green's left arm down. If the Cards win that game, they win the division as long as the rest of the games stay as they were.

Cowboys/Cards again 1998. Cowboys go up 28-0 in the first half(first half ends 28-7 as Cards score with seconds left in the half. 2nd half comes and the Cards chip away. 28-14...Pokes score to go up 35-14, game is seemingly over by now. Nope. Cards fight back. 35-21...35-28...then the Cards are in the red zone, Plummer throws to the endzone to, IIRC, Rob Moore who is absolutely blasted in the endzone. No call. Simply blatant calls that go the Cowboys way. That is not a coincidence.

I'm never one to bash the refs, but that no call in the 1998 game was the worst no call I've ever seen in my life. Back to the ball, mauling of Moore. was so pissed.

I also thought those were the best endzones the Cardinals ever had. The Cardinal head in the middle of the AZ flag taking up the entire endzone was nails. wished they had continue to do that.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Seems to me like the NFL has almost decided Peyton won't be around forever and they want him to get another Super Bowl?

He's a great player don't get me wrong but watching last night even CBS was being blunt about it, that's a pick play, 2 guys blocking downfield. That's the 3rd successful pick play they've run on this drive, they said it over and over last night.

Then the pivotal play of the game SD picks off a pass in the endzone runs it out to the 20 and the refs call it back for defensive holding. Watch the replay,the contact is within 5 yards, and there is less holding on the defender than there was on the plays where Welker was blocking downfield on pick plays. And the biggest thing, the contact didn't cause the INT, Weddle jumped in front of the play, when that ball is picked Welker is BEHIND Weddle, the ball is picked because Weddle made a great play, the contact didn't stop Welker from being there.

I saw the look on the SD coaches and players at that point it was like ok we get it, you're not going to let them lose tonight.

I think they are the best team in football right now, but I also think there's just this push for them to win a SB.

Definitely the NFL is influencing these calls. However it's not Peyton-related. The NFL is allowing pick plays and calling everything on defenders as a way to increase scoring and fan interest. That Peyton and the Donks are the recipients is more due to the fact that they have the best QB and WR core in the league not some leaguewide conspiracy.

That being said national fawning over Peyton is more than nauseating. I think you'd be better off burning the American flag than caqlling Peyton a douche.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Definitely the NFL is influencing these calls. However it's not Peyton-related. The NFL is allowing pick plays and calling everything on defenders as a way to increase scoring and fan interest. That Peyton and the Donks are the recipients is more due to the fact that they have the best QB and WR core in the league not some leaguewide conspiracy.

That being said national fawning over Peyton is more than nauseating. I think you'd be better off burning the American flag than caqlling Peyton a douche.

him coordinating the game of keep away prior to the game for when he broke the TD record reeked of douche.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm never one to bash the refs, but that no call in the 1998 game was the worst no call I've ever seen in my life. Back to the ball, mauling of Moore. was so pissed.

I also thought those were the best endzones the Cardinals ever had. The Cardinal head in the middle of the AZ flag taking up the entire endzone was nails. wished they had continue to do that.

I threw the biggest fit that game! I think it was broadcast on TNT with Vern Lunquist and Bob Griese...

 

[Russ Smith]

Definitely the NFL is influencing these calls. However it's not Peyton-related. The NFL is allowing pick plays and calling everything on defenders as a way to increase scoring and fan interest. That Peyton and the Donks are the recipients is more due to the fact that they have the best QB and WR core in the league not some leaguewide conspiracy.

That being said national fawning over Peyton is more than nauseating. I think you'd be better off burning the American flag than caqlling Peyton a douche.

I kind of agree but if you recall there WAS a PI call, in the end zone, that got overturned last night. That is the refs convened and then agreed no PI and said so. ANd then CBS' ref guy Mike Carey very clearly stated the appropriate call in his opinion was in fact Pass interference.

That call was against Denver and overturned so Denver got the break on that one too.

 

[GatorAZ]

They're far and away the best team in football. Remember they basically added Von Miller (back from injury), Ryan Clady. (back from injury), Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, DeMarcus Ware and Emmanuel Sanders. They lost DRC and Eric Decker.

Tom Brady must be sick watching a team go all in like that...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Having said that, the Broncos look unstoppable right now. I'd be surprised of they lose another game this season.

They looked pretty unstoppable until they played the Seahawks in the Superbowl. They didn't beat them this year either.

They are beatable.

 

[wa52lz]

I'm never one to bash the refs, but that no call in the 1998 game was the worst no call I've ever seen in my life. Back to the ball, mauling of Moore. was so pissed.

I also thought those were the best endzones the Cardinals ever had. The Cardinal head in the middle of the AZ flag taking up the entire endzone was nails. wished they had continue to do that.

+1 on the call and the endzones, those were great. We left that game early and watched that final drive pulled over on the 51 on a black and white 7inch tv, I swore to kill the 2 guys I was with that wanted to leave, if the Cards cameback and won, so i guess im glad for the no call.

 

[THESMEL]

I've had the answer for years, an outside network perform the official review each week for the NFL. The NFL has simply not policed themselves, They have minor carrots and sticks for the teams of officials.

The NFLN is news manufactures' not news reporters. They are deeply in love with themselves. They don't pay anybody's paychecks. Us fans do! More money comes from the suffocated East Coast, competing amongst the same populations.! We get our share in profit sharing, but integrity and dignity is lacking.

There is no reason for challenge flags, or running out of time outs or challenge flags! If integrity and dignity of the game was priority, it would remain profitable! negative plays dictate the outcome of games more so than positive plays.

With modern technology a non overtime game can remain within 3 hours with honor and certitude. The commissioner is not a moral authority on or off the field, no matter how or when we got where were at currently, correction is available.

It takes bold owners to move the NFL mountain swiftly, Pain causes results nothing else will.

 

[splitsecond]

Last year I feel like people were cool with Peyton getting a chance at another ring in Denver, myself included. Now I am annoyed with him, the hype, the favoritism and the defense that is overachieving inexplicably. His little tantrum about the scoreboard operator was childish. He can claim he was joking - and to an extent he probably was - but he was clearly pissed about it and throwing a fit as well. Go away Peyton. Go Away.

 

[Iceman]

Glad this was posted. I feel a growing hatred for the Broncos because of all these fans jumping on the manning wagon. Should be interesting when manning retires and Denver becomes a non elite team, how many people jump off the wagon. I guess what really peeved me was the Thomas chop block. When I was at the game in Denver I even bought a broncos shirt just to have. I can't get myself to wear it. Used to have no problem with them til now. Maybe I should do a giveaway on the forum for it!