OT: The trade deadline watch thread. 02/06/25

[Germz249]

morris book butler draymond valanciunas

beal greyson dunn oneale plum/richards

Can I add Isaiah Stewart to that? Maybe Dillion Brooks also?

 

[Proximo]

that would likely mean draymond is gone - he and kd don't exchange christmas cards last i heard

He would need to be part of the package because of salaries.

Kuminga is the important part of the deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

Can I add Isaiah Stewart to that? Maybe Dillion Brooks also?

If the Suns trade for Stewart, I'd need to talk to Bud about his substitution pattern.

I kind of told Stewart he would start. Don't want any problems.

 

[elindholm]

We’ve become NADI

Never
A
Dull
Ishbia

If he has the guts to admit his mistake and dump Durant, my opinion of him will go way up.

 

[Raindog]

Being floated KD for Kuminga and Draymond.

I swear to God James Jones if your putting guys names out there you better pull the damn trigger all that does is lead to unhappy players

If James Jones continues to be making the decisions, I fully expect the Suns to immediately turn around after that KD trade and send whatever draft capital they have accumulated, plus Kuminga and Dunn, to the Clippers for Kawhi Leonard.

The following day, the Suns will announce that Kawhi is not only out for the rest of 2025, but also all of 2026. And JJ will proclaim how very excited he is about the Suns' prospects for the 2027-2028 when their new "big three" will all be able to get the senior discount at Denny's.

 

[Russ Smith]

Windy just said KD is on the table

Grain of salt Im having huge wifi issues due to a power failure here but came across my phone warriors favorite to get KD, Kuminga in the deal but no other names.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's a pain in the butt but Draymond is still a great defensive player. If you saw the end of the game against the Magic he came in with them behind and on the next 5 possessions he ended up guarding the Magic guy with the ball and either forced a miss or a turnover every time. It was unreal, stoned Banchero twice, actually made him walk both times no call and miss. It was absolutely textbook defense. Won the game doing it

 

[Mainstreet]

Grain of salt Im having huge wifi issues due to a power failure here but came across my phone warriors favorite to get KD, Kuminga in the deal but no other names.

Draymond Green is another name being floated for Durant. The salaries of Green and Kuminga would work.

The Suns should want picks to go along with such a trade, not that I'm enthused about it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Came across my FB feed just says Warriors are favorite doesn't even name names

 

[Mainstreet]

Came across my FB feed just says Warriors are favorite doesn't even name names

Here are a couple of tweets from Gambo.

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[Mainstreet]

Wiggins and Green would almost work perfectly in a trade for Durant.

 

[Hoop Head]

Wiggins and Green would almost work perfectly in a trade for Durant.

Wiggins, Kuminga, and Schroeder work for salary matching. Ideally there would be a third team to take Schroeder but he's expiring so no real issue.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Wiggins and Green would almost work perfectly in a trade for Durant.

Not sure why GSW would do this though. Why trade for Durant if you're not going to pair him with Steph & Draymond?

 

[hcsilla]

He brutalized Ayton in that first round in 22. But I feel like he’s just as bad defensively as Nurk. For sure better in the post on offense than Nurk though.

I’d be thrilled with a swap but I don’t think sending sending them picks to make it work helps our outlook at all.

I hope that the Suns are not stupid enough to add a 1sz rounder to the swap of Nurkic/Valanciunas.

Valanciunas might or might not be a better player than Nurkic, he is cheaper for sure but this is not worth a 1st rounder.

 

[Mainstreet]

Wiggins, Kuminga, and Schroeder work for salary matching. Ideally there would be a third team to take Schroeder but he's expiring so no real issue.

Not sure why GSW would do this though. Why trade for Durant if you're not going to pair him with Steph & Draymond?

There are a lot of trade rumors floating around out there that don't make a lot of sense until one looks at salaries.

The Suns supposed interest in Draymond Green is surprising.

Also, rumors indicate Butler only wants to be traded to Phoenix.

It's probably going to take multi-team trades to make things work.

 

[hcsilla]

Here are a couple of tweets from Gambo.

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Geez, trading Durant for Butler (and some picks) would be the most stupid thing even at Suns' standards.

Durant is a better player and s our only potent frontcourt player while Butler would just create even bigger logjam at the wings.

Since our 1st rounders are gone, this would be a surefire recipe for as long and as painful rebuilding as possible.

 

[Hoop Head]

Geez, trading Durant for Butler (and some picks) would be the most stupid thing even at Suns' standards.

Durant is a better player and s our only potent frontcourt player while Butler would just create even bigger logjam at the wings.

Since our 1st rounders are gone, this would be a surefire recipe for as long and as painful rebuilding as possible.

I think that's worth exploring. Butler has a fire that KD doesn't and regardless of which position KD is labeled as, he's not a frontcourt player that battles for rebounds, fights in the paint, or does much of anything typical frontcourt players do.

KD might be a better individual talent but Butler, when focused, is a much better leader. That's what this team needs. As long as we don't lose draft picks, I'd not only welcome the swap but would be happy to see it.

I'm not saying this trade will lead to a championship but it moves us closer to watchable on a regular basis.

 

[Mainstreet]

Geez, trading Durant for Butler (and some picks) would be the most stupid thing even at Suns' standards.

Durant is a better player and s our only potent frontcourt player while Butler would just create even bigger logjam at the wings.

Since our 1st rounders are gone, this would be a surefire recipe for as long and as painful rebuilding as possible.

Yeah, if the Suns trade Durant they should be looking to get draft picks and young players in return.

However, the Suns may be too far along in the trade process for Butler to turn back now.

 

[hcsilla]

I think that's worth exploring. Butler has a fire that KD doesn't and regardless of which position KD is labeled as, he's not a frontcourt player that battles for rebounds, fights in the paint, or does much of anything typical frontcourt players do.

Yes, he is not a typical frontcourt player but still is our best due to his height and shot-blocking ability. That's why he is the Suns' starting PF. He would be traded for a SF in Butler.

BTW, Butler recently used his "fire" to destroy the Heat as much as possible because they were not willing to meet his extension demands. Not a good sign at all.

KD might be a better individual talent but Butler, when focused, is a much better leader. That's what this team needs. As long as we don't lose draft picks, I'd not only welcome the swap but would be happy to see it.

I'm not saying this trade will lead to a championship but it moves us closer to watchable on a regular basis.

Yes, this trade will nullify the chances to a championship (which were very limited anyway) while creates a logjam at the wings while losing our starting PF and quite possibly taking over a bigger headcase than Durant is.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yes, he is not a typical frontcourt player but still is our best due to his height and shot-blocking ability. That's why he is the Suns' starting PF. He would be traded for a SF in Butler.

BTW, Butler recently used his "fire" to destroy the Heat as much as possible because they were not willing to meet his extension demands. Not a good sign at all.



Yes, this trade will nullify the chanches to a championship (which were very limited anyway) while creates a logjam at the wings while losing ourt starting PF and quite possibly taking over a bigger headcase than Durant is.

Butler has played a lot of PF in Miami. He's no more a true PF than KD but he's a better one on one defender who doesn't need to rely on his length to swat shots because he doesn't let people by him. Butler next to Dunn in the frontcourt would be fine. Butler will at least battle for rebounds.

We have no chance at a championship as constructed. KD is quickly leading us to the lottery. It was a mistake to trade for him. I'm not saying Butler will perform better but I can't see it being worse.

 

[hcsilla]

Butler has played a lot of PF in Miami. He's no more a true PF than KD but he's a better one on one defender who doesn't need to rely on his length to swat shots because he doesn't let people by him. Butler next to Dunn in the frontcourt would be fine. Butler will at least battle for rebounds.

Yes, he was an emergency PF sometimes, but was even less qualified to do so as Durant is. Dunn and Butler as a F combo is tough but I'm not convinced at all that Butler's main motivation of getting traded to Phoenix is playing lockdown-defense. Actually probably the opposte.

We have no chance at a championship as constructed. KD is quickly leading us to the lottery. It was a mistake to trade for him. I'm not saying Butler will perform better but I can't see it being worse.

I can easily see it being worse and I hope, I will be proven wrong, if that happens.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yes, he was an emergency PF sometimes, but was even less qualified to do so as Durant is. Dunn and Butler as a F combo is tough but I'm not convinced at all that Butler's main motivation of getting traded to Phoenix is playing lockdown-defense. Actually probably the opposte.

He was much more than their emergency PF. He played PF 83% of the time when they went to the finals 2 years back. 74% last year and 75% this year. He's always been an excellent defender. He has more steals than fouls throughout his career, 1350 steals to 1167 fouls. That's amazing for a guy who has been a starter virtually his entire career. You need to watch him to see his impact but at the same time statistically he averages within 1 rebound of Durant here so I don't see us losing anything except maybe the option of using KD as a small ball C, which hasn't been that successful anyways.

I can easily see it being worse and I hope, I will be proven wrong, if that happens.

Time will tell. We may be debating for no reason. Personally, I like Butler for the Suns more than KD. You can like KD more. Until we see it play out though neither of us is right or wrong and we each have our preferences. Another reason I like Butler more though is how Booker follows the lead of the elder statesman here. He did under Paul and has under KD. If Booker can sort of harness Butler's competitive edge then this team could be a dark horse candidate to make some noise.




Here is info on where Butler plays, according to BBRef. They're pretty accurate in their assessment and you can look at where they place certain Suns players to see that.

Jimmy Butler Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Jimmy Butler. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wiggins and Green would almost work perfectly in a trade for Durant.

Yuck

 

[Phrazbit]

Heck it... I was out toasting an engagement tonight.

If we come out of this deadline with a lineup of Jones, Booker, Butler, Kuminga, Green and some first round picks we didn't previously have... that actually is a far more interesting and entertaining team than we currently possess.

Who am I kidding... just get Durant off this team for some value. Please.

 

[Phrazbit]

He was much more than their emergency PF. He played PF 83% of the time when they went to the finals 2 years back. 74% last year and 75% this year. He's always been an excellent defender. He has more steals than fouls throughout his career, 1350 steals to 1167 fouls. That's amazing for a guy who has been a starter virtually his entire career. You need to watch him to see his impact but at the same time statistically he averages within 1 rebound of Durant here so I don't see us losing anything except maybe the option of using KD as a small ball C, which hasn't been that successful anyways.



Time will tell. We may be debating for no reason. Personally, I like Butler for the Suns more than KD. You can like KD more. Until we see it play out though neither of us is right or wrong and we each have our preferences. Another reason I like Butler more though is how Booker follows the lead of the elder statesman here. He did under Paul and has under KD. If Booker can sort of harness Butler's competitive edge then this team could be a dark horse candidate to make some noise.




Here is info on where Butler plays, according to BBRef. They're pretty accurate in their assessment and you can look at where they place certain Suns players to see that.

Jimmy Butler Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Jimmy Butler. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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He did that playing alongside Abedayo, one of the best defensive bigs in the league, that won't fly with our non-existent interior defense.