OT: Broncos sitting Wilson

[Ronin]

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[PDXChris]

Who cares? He’s a Bronco

I care, its about the integrity of the game. Wilson gives them the best chance at making the playoffs and the are sitting him in case he gets hurt and they have to pay him because of it. That's not football and as a fan of football, it hurts the league.

 

[Ronin]

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[AZCB34]

I care, its about the integrity of the game. Wilson gives them the best chance at making the playoffs and the are sitting him in case he gets hurt and they have to pay him because of it. That's not football and as a fan of football, it hurts the league.

This time of year, a bunch of players and organizations are making business decisions and not football decisions.

 

[Ronin]

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[Dback Jon]

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What a disastrous trade

 

[GatorAZ]

Wake up call to folks here that think dead cap space is going to prohibit Murray from being traded or cut in 2024.

Cap space management is a myth / magic.

Trading Kyler creates more cap space next year.

 

[Arz101]

I think Sean Payton is over playing his genius card here.

Having said that, I have never seen another case of cutting your losses in NFL as cut throat as this.

OOF

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trading Kyler creates more cap space next year.

I thought I saw people say that earlier this year.

If that’s the case, and we can get a 2nd and change, I pull the trigger, get a stopgap, surround them with all the draft picks and guys we can bring in with cap room and try to find your QB either after the first round this year or sometime next year.

 

[slanidrac16]

By the time draft day gets here Williams and Maye are going to be considered A+ prospects.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think Sean Payton is over playing his genius card here.

Having said that, I have never seen another case of cutting your losses in NFL as cut throat as this.

OOF

Another example of people not willing to waste or throw away seasons on something they feel is not going to work.

 

[football karma]

Trading Kyler creates more cap space next year.

its interesting:

trading him puts $45mm in dead money into the cap, BUT, adds to salary cap space by $5.6mm

the acquiring team would be on the hook for the following salaries:

24 $37mm (nearly all guaranteed)
25 $18mm
26 $23 mm
27 $19mm

the Cards could probably enhance his trade compensation by paying some portion of the 2024 guarantee ( but that would take salary cap space / add to the dead money)

so lets say the Cards agree to eat $20mm of the $37mm in 2024 salary -- that effectively creates a contract that averages $19mm a year (very reasonable) for a young QB. Acquiring team gets a year to kick the tires and can decide post 2024 to keep him or not.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

With Wilson getting benched, only Bryce Young and Kyler Murray remain as starting NFL QBs who are under 6 feet in height. Bryce has played all season and has one game with over 250 yards (in a loss). Average QB height in the league is 6 feet 2.5 inches.

 

[Ronin]

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[dreamcastrocks]

Trading Kyler creates more cap space next year.

its interesting:
trading him puts $45mm in dead money into the cap, BUT, adds to salary cap space by $5.6mm
the acquiring team would be on the hook for the following salaries:
24 $37mm (nearly all guaranteed)
25 $18mm
26 $23 mm
27 $19mm

the Cards could probably enhance his trade compensation by paying some portion of the 2024 guarantee ( but that would take salary cap space / add to the dead money)

so lets say the Cards agree to eat $20mm of the $37mm in 2024 salary -- that effectively creates a contract that averages $19mm a year (very reasonable) for a young QB. Acquiring team gets a year to kick the tires and can decide post 2024 to keep him or not.

Exactly. I don't see how we can trade Kyler, and be cap positive next year.

 

[juza76]

Wilson was benched After playing really good in the second half of the season
Likely a financial thing coming after a verbal fighting with Peyton who has full powers there

 

[TheCardFan]

Exactly. I don't see how we can trade Kyler, and be cap positive next year.

It certainly isn't something new...

Wilson will have a massive hit in 2024 (potentially bigger than Kyler's)

Matt Ryan - $40M (2022 and Falcons are in the playoff hunt in 2023)
Aaron Rodgers - $40M (2023 and Green Bay is right there with the Falcons)
Carson Wentz - $34M (20% of Eagles cap space and they made the playoffs that year (2021) and won the Super Bowl the next year)
Russell Wilson - $26M in 2022 (Seahawks still go to playoffs that year with Geno Smith)

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It certainly isn't something new...

Wilson will have a massive hit in 2024 (potentially bigger than Kyler's)

Matt Ryan - $40M (2022 and Falcons are in the playoff hunt in 2023)
Aaron Rodgers - $40M (2023 and Green Bay is right there with the Falcons)
Carson Wentz - $34M (20% of Eagles cap space and they made the playoffs that year (2021) and won the Super Bowl the next year)
Russell Wilson - $26M in 2022 (Seahawks still go to playoffs that year with Geno Smith)

To be clear, I meant considering Kyler's salary alone. We are expected to have 35-50M in salary cap next year so there should a bit of free money, but only if we trade him.

 

[jbjarko]

Oof

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[Cbus cardsfan]

It certainly isn't something new...

Wilson will have a massive hit in 2024 (potentially bigger than Kyler's)

Matt Ryan - $40M (2022 and Falcons are in the playoff hunt in 2023)
Aaron Rodgers - $40M (2023 and Green Bay is right there with the Falcons)
Carson Wentz - $34M (20% of Eagles cap space and they made the playoffs that year (2021) and won the Super Bowl the next year)
Russell Wilson - $26M in 2022 (Seahawks still go to playoffs that year with Geno Smith)

I was thinking the same thing. The cap hit shouldn’t/wont keep the Cards from moving on.

What will hinder a trade is the trade compensation. Every team that has acquired a high priced veteran via trade has regretted it and overpaid.

 

[oaken1]

Oof

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Broncos fixing to lose draft picks

 

[Dback Jon]

Broncos fixing to lose draft picks

Hope so.