OT: What happens with R. Williams now?

[AzStevenCal]

Cheese ain't just blowing hot air. The first orho is our father. He's been a surgeon for a long time. He heard patella and said 2 years. The second ortho is someone with whom we've been close family friends for a long time (since he was 5 years old). He did an ortho-related sports program before redently joining one of the most respected surgical organizations in the country. So that's an older experienced ortho and a young hotshot ortho both advising worst case. Not good. Bummed because I was stoked for Ryan. Thought we might a Travis Henry on our hands.

Well, I don't know any Ortho Surgeons personally so I asked my Veterinarian and she said she had no idea. I'm gonna rely on her expertise and go with "no idea".

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended his career. It's too bad, I really thought we were looking at a top notch running game with him backing up Beanie (and eventually replacing him as the starter). If he makes it all the way back, great, but I think this team needs to move forward as if he doesn't exist.

Steve

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Cheese ain't just blowing hot air. The first orho is our father. He's been a surgeon for a long time. He heard patella and said 2 years. The second ortho is someone with whom we've been close family friends for a long time (since he was 5 years old). He did an ortho-related sports program before redently joining one of the most respected surgical organizations in the country. So that's an older experienced ortho and a young hotshot ortho both advising worst case. Not good. Bummed because I was stoked for Ryan. Thought we might a Travis Henry on our hands.

And then there's this:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am just sick to my stomach and (my heart) today as I think about what happened to Ryan Williams last night. His real worth to this team was driven home to me when EVERY ONE of his teammates rallied to his side when he went down. That just doesn't happen to a normal rookie.

Totally agree. I was really excited to see this kid play. It really put a damper on my weekend thinking about what this kid must be going through. Huge loss for the Cards.

 

[BigRedRage]

Cadillac Williams could never come back from this.....

he did come back from it actually and then blew the other tendon the next year.

 

[Longcolts]

Cheese ain't just blowing hot air. The first orho is our father. He's been a surgeon for a long time. He heard patella and said 2 years. The second ortho is someone with whom we've been close family friends for a long time (since he was 5 years old). He did an ortho-related sports program before redently joining one of the most respected surgical organizations in the country. So that's an older experienced ortho and a young hotshot ortho both advising worst case. Not good. Bummed because I was stoked for Ryan. Thought we might a Travis Henry on our hands.

I don't mean to sound argumentative as I'm sure both are good doctors but I sure hope no one tells Jerry Rice that this is a career ending injury. Otherwise He'll never be able to set any records or end up in the Hall of Fame. Seriously though from what I can gather reading up on this it's not the injury itself that presents the major problem it's the atrophy of the Quad muscle that presents the challenge.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't mean to sound argumentative as I'm sure both are good doctors but I sure hope no one tells Jerry Rice that this is a career ending injury.

Jerry Rice was an absolute freak of nature in every way shape or form. dude's the exception to the rule... in pretty much every respect of his career.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And then there's this:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682

yeah, i read that. so did my father. he disagrees. so does our other friend. like cheese said, these are two of the smartest people i know (and i happen to associate with a lot of smart people, cheese excepted). i'm going with the two experts i know rather than a random surgeon i don't.

 

[chickenhead]

We'll have to see how the procedure goes and then monitor recovery. Although I imagine we'll just hear a lot of vague words like "progressing."

All I know is that I'm excited to see RW on the field, and with the friends he's won on the team, I think he'll have a lot of support.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And then there's this:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682

tarnation! i did all this research and then the damn site timed me out and erased my whole post.

suffice it to say, i think it's the time it takes to heal (2 years) and not completely a career ender that has cheese and i bummed.

that said, all the research i just did said that rice had fractured his patella and everyone is saying ryan ruptured his, and some of the medical websites seemed to differentiate the two, so i'm uncertain whether they equate to one and other.

also, pre-injury and post-injury jerry rice were very different players. though rice had a nice resurgence post-injury he was not the "jerry rice" that we all knew. he eclipsed 1000 yds in only half of his 6 full seasons post-injury. he only averaged 1,001 yds/season post-injury. he never eclipsed double digit td's again (averaged 6.5 per year. and his yards per catch dropped from 17.1 pre-injury to 13 post-injury. now some this change obviously had to do with jerry's advancing age, but i'm sure he lost explosiveness from the injury too.

my hope is b/c ryan's younger and the medical field has likely advanced in the past 14 years ryan may yet come back as a better back. but cadillac never really looked great again post-injury. and i just don't think we'll see the back we hoped we had once ryan returns.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't mean to sound argumentative as I'm sure both are good doctors but I sure hope no one tells Jerry Rice that this is a career ending injury. Otherwise He'll never be able to set any records or end up in the Hall of Fame. Seriously though from what I can gather reading up on this it's not the injury itself that presents the major problem it's the atrophy of the Quad muscle that presents the challenge.

whoops, this is the post to which i meant to respond above . . .

 

[joeshmo]

Jerry Rice was an absolute freak of nature in every way shape or form. dude's the exception to the rule... in pretty much every respect of his career.

Cadiliac Williams in that same category. Came back to his normal level after one to each knee.

 

[joeshmo]

but cadillac never really looked great again post-injury. and i just don't think we'll see the back we hoped we had once ryan returns.

He didnt look great pre-injury either Just your average sub 4.0 yards per carry running back.

Besides fewer attempts his stats are almost identical pre and post.

We shall see though.....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He didnt look great pre-injury either Just your average sub 4.0 yards per carry running back.

Besides fewer attempts his stats are almost identical pre and post.

true, but it may be easier to come back to average level than back to "special" level. i'm pretty sure with that injury and some rehab i could come back to being an out of shape weekend beach football player. but if the action in the leg isn't what it was before can someone like ryan make that "special" move that all reports seemed to brag about on a daily basis? likely not imo.

look, i'm hopeful he can still be special, this just makes the likelihood that much less.

 

[joeshmo]

true, but it may be easier to come back to average level than back to "special" level. i'm pretty sure with that injury and some rehab i could come back to being an out of shape weekend beach football player. but if the action in the leg isn't what it was before can someone like ryan make that "special" move that all reports seemed to brag about on a daily basis? likely not imo.

look, i'm hopeful he can still be special, this just makes the likelihood that much less.

I see where your coming from.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cadiliac Williams in that same category. Came back to his normal level after one to each knee.

came back to normal? maybe we're watching a different player... and it took him 16 months to come back the first time and when he did get back halfway through the next season, dude looked like a shell of himself.

and he's now bouncing around the league. this was a guy who ran for 1100 yards as a rookie... who now can't find a starting job. I don't think that's his "normal level".

 

[kerouac9]

He didnt look great pre-injury either Just your average sub 4.0 yards per carry running back.

Besides fewer attempts his stats are almost identical pre and post.

We shall see though.....

That's not fair. His rookie season he was special, 4.1 YPC on an 11-win Tampa team where Gruden totally wore him out early (88 carries in his first 3 pro games!!!--averaged 4.9 YPC and had three 125+ yard rushing games). Had 308 attempts in 15 games his rookie season (missing two and a half). Second year only had 1 100-yard rushing day and he was never able to get his career back on track.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

My orthopedist, who is very familiar with football injuries, said a torn patella is a relatively easy surgery and in most cases, with proper rehab, the patient can come back at 100% strength within 12 months. My leg injury puts his to shame, so he'll def be ok after all is said and done.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

There ya go. I believe the surgeon, those guys usually tend to know what they're talking about.

Yeah.. Like the one who told my Mom her stomach pains were indigestion, heartburn.. really any other thing than the pancreatic cancer that it was.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

this will be interesting. There is some who say he'll likley never be the same and some who say he'll be 100% in about 8 months. I don't know who will be right but I tend to think every injury is somewhat different and would probably go with the surgeon's opinion who performed the surgery. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's in the right.

 

[187]

tarnation! i did all this research and then the damn site timed me out and erased my whole post.

suffice it to say, i think it's the time it takes to heal (2 years) and not completely a career ender that has cheese and i bummed.

that said, all the research i just did said that rice had fractured his patella and everyone is saying ryan ruptured his, and some of the medical websites seemed to differentiate the two, so i'm uncertain whether they equate to one and other.

also, pre-injury and post-injury jerry rice were very different players. though rice had a nice resurgence post-injury he was not the "jerry rice" that we all knew. he eclipsed 1000 yds in only half of his 6 full seasons post-injury. he only averaged 1,001 yds/season post-injury. he never eclipsed double digit td's again (averaged 6.5 per year. and his yards per catch dropped from 17.1 pre-injury to 13 post-injury. now some this change obviously had to do with jerry's advancing age, but i'm sure he lost explosiveness from the injury too.

my hope is b/c ryan's younger and the medical field has likely advanced in the past 14 years ryan may yet come back as a better back. but cadillac never really looked great again post-injury. and i just don't think we'll see the back we hoped we had once ryan returns.

Jerry Rice also tore his ACL and MCL in the first game of the season that year and came back at the end of the season and had the patella injury. The fact that he was knocking on the door of 40 probably had something to do with that lack of production as well. And no longer having Steve Young at QB didn't help any either, Garcia put up numbers but Rice and Young had nearly a decade of chemistry working with one another.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Being the irritating Cardinal fan, I have kept bothering my brother the bone cancer surgeon in Houston who works with a lot of professionals who also handle sports injuries on the professional level. He basically told me this and this is something we also need to consider..."I did not see the injury, I did not do the surgery and do not know how bad it was, and I do not know how Williams body will respond because everyone is different...I'm a Alanta Falcon fan...chill already, how does Beannie look is what you need to contemplate at the moment" LOL, I'm gonna stop pestering him now, he has started watching the Cardinals the past few years when the Falcons are not playing and I don't want to damage his lukewarm following of the Cards haha