OT: What if the Redskins change their name?

[Mulli]

Then there is that grossly irritating "war chant" that the FSU band incessantly drones throughout the pre game, game and post game. That is some crapass music made up for the "movies" when the "redskins" went on the warpath in those old Western reels. I am fairly certain the Amerinds did not have a brass band and played that song during battle.

"Braves on the warpath, Fight for old D.C."

"The place where the whities lived
that sent you on the trail of tears
and sent to the worst places in the country
with small pox blankets..."

 

[Dback Jon]

"Braves on the warpath, Fight for old D.C."

"The place where the whities lived
that sent you on the trail of tears
and sent to the worst places in the country
with small pox blankets..."

I smell a hit record!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I have the perfect solution, Keep the name Redskins.. Change the logo to an extremely sunburned Ginger?

 

[stewdog1]

Why not? are white people not scary enough? Does it not put fear into the opponents mind that the white people are coming?

You may have a point. It sounds absurd, but wait for the PC police to come after the Patriots. The logo depicts a white person during the revolutionary war and owned slaves.



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[schutd]

Why not? are white people not scary enough? Does it not put fear into the opponents mind that the white people are coming?

Like you expect something more from The Onion, I expect something more from humanity than to use a race and its associated derivatives and stereotypes for a mascot. I think we're above it. History and tradition be damned.

 

[ajcardfan]

It matters when you are laying out a legal argument and you revise history to suit your needs. It makes it seem as if your argument wouldn't stand on its own merit so you needed to rewrite the origin of the term in question.

I already said before - say : "This word started out innocently enough but now it is demeaning." No need to fabricate the etymology.

Ok, you must think all the fuss over the n-word and the r-word is on a par with redskins. If your logic is consistent.

 

[crisper57]

Hey, who knew PETA has a sense of humor? They say change the logo, not the name.

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I still come back to this image once a day for a chuckle. Awesome.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...on-redskins-become-the-washington-bravehearts

So the question, is the friend doing this to help Snyder, or does he simply want to sell the trademark and rights to Snyder?

 

[BigRedRage]

I think bravehearts would be lame. Is it some sort of indian term? It seems to me that it is a movie and that is it. Not sure how an austrian actor playing a scottsman would be fitting for our nations capitol.

 

[crisper57]

I think bravehearts would be lame. Is it some sort of indian term? It seems to me that it is a movie and that is it. Not sure how an austrian actor playing a scottsman would be fitting for our nations capitol.

As a descendant of William Wallace, that name offends me.

 

[BigRedRage]

yeah, they might as well have been a fighting potato

 

[Redheart]

Washington Porkers.

 

[stewdog1]

Washington Dances with Wolves

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[cardncubfan]

Ok, you must think all the fuss over the n-word and the r-word is on a par with redskins. If your logic is consistent.

Rhubarb?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Rhubarb?

makes my foot look cheese!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Ok, you must think all the fuss over the n-word and the r-word is on a par with redskins. If your logic is consistent.

If the n-word is offensive - no one should use it, regardless of race.

If the r-word is offensive - no one should use it, regardless of race.

Both words have innocent origins but now that they are deemed or on their way to being deemed offensive - wipe out their use completely. It is ridiculous to have an offensive word used by some but not all.

 

[Hollywood]

This all makes me think of people that wanted to ban Tom Sawyer because of questionable language.

"Say Huck, I know another o' them voices; it's ***** Joe."

"That's so—that murderin' half-breed! I'd ruther they was devils, a dern sight."

And by the way....has anyone heard someone use redskin as a racial slur in the last 20 years?

 

[AzStevenCal]

This all makes me think of people that wanted to ban Tom Sawyer because of questionable language.




And by the way....has anyone heard someone use redskin as a racial slur in the last 20 years?

I've NEVER heard it used as a racial slur. But I'm not sure that what I've heard or not heard means all that much. I'd be much more interested in how Native Americans view the word. And I'm not too interested in the opinion of some agency either, I'd want to hear it directly from the tribes. If it comes across as a slur to them, it needs to be changed.

Steve

 

[earthsci]

This all makes me think of people that wanted to ban Tom Sawyer because of questionable language.

And by the way....has anyone heard someone use redskin as a racial slur in the last 20 years?

That's ridiculous. The book "Gangs of New York" uses the word "******" often. Should it be banned? If a football team was called The Ragin' ******* would it be banned? Of course.

I understand how many feel that Braves, Chiefs, Sioux, etc isn't a slur but Redskin? Really? If so, walk up to a Native American and call him that. While your at it, call the next Asian that you see "Yellow man", the next non-black Hispanic that you see "Brown skin" and the next Black that you see "******". But use a nice voice so they don't take it as a slur.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's ridiculous. The book "Gangs of New York" uses the word "******" often. Should it be banned? If a football team was called The Ragin' ******* would it be banned? Of course.

I understand how many feel that Braves, Chiefs, Sioux, etc isn't a slur but Redskin? Really? If so, walk up to a Native American and call him that. While your at it, call the next Asian that you see "Yellow man", the next non-black Hispanic that you see "Brown skin" and the next Black that you see "******". But use a nice voice so they don't take it as a slur.

I suspect if you walk up to anybody and call them something that isn't their name or obviously part of a friendly salutation that you're going to be face to face with an unhappy person. The only time I've used the color of a person's skin is when it was the easiest way to identify a specific person in a group. But I'd suggest there is a considerable difference between describing someone by the shading of their skin versus labeling them by their skin color. IOW, "Redskins were tremendous warriors" doesn't strike me as offensive whereas "tell that Redskin to go elsewhere" does.

Steve

 

[JC_AZ]

When considering what the word "Washington" brings to mind these days...just call them the Redskins and remove the associated incompetence and offensiveness from their name and all is good

 

[GuernseyCard]

This all makes me think of people that wanted to ban Tom Sawyer because of questionable language.




And by the way....has anyone heard someone use redskin as a racial slur in the last 20 years?[/quote]

No, but I'm not aboriginal and time does not remove the perceived slur.

 

[john h]

That is the point really isn't it? No one will name a team white people.

Out of the thousands of Native Americans I wonder just how many are offended by this name. I am part Cherokee and grew up only a few miles from the Cherokee Indian Reservation. In fact we played them in football every year. On there bus they had a big picture of an Indian in war costume. If all Native Americans are offended then OK change the name but if only 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 are offended that is another story. You can call me whitee or half breed and it does not bother me at all but I understand some may be offended.

 

[Hollywood]

This all makes me think of people that wanted to ban Tom Sawyer because of questionable language.




And by the way....has anyone heard someone use redskin as a racial slur in the last 20 years?

No, but I'm not aboriginal and time does not remove the perceived slur.

Yes it does.

That's ridiculous. The book "Gangs of New York" uses the word "******" often. Should it be banned? If a football team was called The Ragin' ******* would it be banned? Of course.

I understand how many feel that Braves, Chiefs, Sioux, etc isn't a slur but Redskin? Really? If so, walk up to a Native American and call him that. While your at it, call the next Asian that you see "Yellow man", the next non-black Hispanic that you see "Brown skin" and the next Black that you see "******". But use a nice voice so they don't take it as a slur.

Again, you are trying to compare slurs that are still very much in use to something that has fallen by the wayside. The meaning of words changes all the time.....

Case in point:

Hip hip hooray originates to lets murder some jews.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16967_8-racist-words-you-use-every-day.html

Now, is everyone really chanting for murder or are they just cheering?

 

[ajcardfan]

Yes it does.


Again, you are trying to compare slurs that are still very much in use to something that has fallen by the wayside. The meaning of words changes all the time.....

Case in point:

Hip hip hooray originates to lets murder some jews.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16967_8-racist-words-you-use-every-day.html

Now, is everyone really chanting for murder or are they just cheering?

I don't understand what you are arguing for.

So, some words have become inoffensive over time.

Other words have become offensive.

What is your point? Words don't matter?