OT- Why Am I Not Surprised Manziel Did This!!

[Cheesebeef]

Listen to talk radio.

and go back and read the thread about it... or the thread about Washington's domestic abuse. Lots of people somehow came to their defense.

 

[GuernseyCard]

and go back and read the thread about it... or the thread about Washington's domestic abuse. Lots of people somehow came to their defense.

My sports Twitter account showed a lot more rationalizations about the Rice issue than today's finger by JF.

 

[New Mexico]

Ryan Clark just said on ESPN that what Washington players said to him is this isn't college anymore and these guys are faster than you are. Said that was the cleaned up version but they were basically telling Manziel if you keep running you're going to get hurt.

Yeah, I'm sure that's all they said lol.

 

[Duckjake]

Has Manzeil said he doesn't give a rats azz about the fans yet?

 

[mojorizen7]

Such a classy guy...... Will he ever learn?? The Justin Bieber of the NFL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9qj2nm8Bfc

More like Ryan Leaf 2.0

 

[desertdawg]

Complete opposite of Teebow in every way except the wheels, and Johnny aint built like Teebow. Making enemies before the season starts, preplanning a bird during a televised game, showing up whenever he wants. Talent yes, future questionable. Shame because if he had his head in the books and his team in his heart I don't think Hoyer would even be on the same field. Johnny was supposed to adapt to an NFL style so he could last, and chill on the running, especially in preseason when one can focus on his arm without the game meaning anything ala Logan Thomas. I see Johnny running a lot in the future, and probably from the Cops too at some point, because he thinks he is bigger than life, when he's just making life harder on himself.

I still stand by this post.

 

[ajcardfan]

This crap is so irrelevant. If he plays great eventually, this was a blip. If he plays poorly forever, it's still a blip. In the meantime, it's the faux-outrage of the day for media and the internet.

 

[desertdawg]

This crap is so irrelevant. If he plays great eventually, this was a blip. If he plays poorly forever, it's still a blip. In the meantime, it's the faux-outrage of the day for media and the internet.

I was a fan of his last year in college and thought his talent could relate into the game... he has yet to show it. He said he's been messing up and that he should let it fly " un ". How do you come up with this obvious information halfway through training camp.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

This makes me laugh everytime...

 

[ajcardfan]

I was a fan of his last year in college and thought his talent could relate into the game... he has yet to show it. He said he's been messing up and that he should let it fly " un ". How do you come up with this obvious information halfway through training camp.

New coach, new offense... almost universally leads to poor play in camp and early in the season. So, their vets don't really know exactly what they were doing and that was pretty flagrant last night. On top of that mess, you have a rookie. Yeah, it's going to not be fantastic starting off.


Just look at how crappy our QBs and offense looked under a guy like Arians in camp and early in the season. That Tampa Bay game was brutally ugly. As bad as the Browns looked like last night, if not worse.

Like I said, just a bunch of overhyped, overblown coverage and faux-outrage. Yet, it suckers most people in who have watched football forever and should know better.

 

[PACardsFan]

New coach, new offense... almost universally leads to poor play in camp and early in the season. So, their vets don't really know exactly what they were doing and that was pretty flagrant last night. On top of that mess, you have a rookie. Yeah, it's going to not be fantastic starting off.


Just look at how crappy our QBs and offense looked under a guy like Arians in camp and early in the season. That Tampa Bay game was brutally ugly. As bad as the Browns looked like last night, if not worse.

Like I said, just a bunch of overhyped, overblown coverage and faux-outrage. Yet, it suckers most people in who have watched football forever and should know better.

Great post!!

 

[desertdawg]

New coach, new offense... almost universally leads to poor play in camp and early in the season. So, their vets don't really know exactly what they were doing and that was pretty flagrant last night. On top of that mess, you have a rookie. Yeah, it's going to not be fantastic starting off.


Just look at how crappy our QBs and offense looked under a guy like Arians in camp and early in the season. That Tampa Bay game was brutally ugly. As bad as the Browns looked like last night, if not worse.

Like I said, just a bunch of overhyped, overblown coverage and faux-outrage. Yet, it suckers most people in who have watched football forever and should know better.

I thought he had an easy job beating Hoyer for the job, this isn't the case. I'm with you kinda, until he showed up with his own decisions.

 

[gamebird98]

PUNK!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GiantCardFan]

Hoyer to start regular season

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ian-hoyer-will-start-johnny-manziel-will-sit/

 

[TRW]

I haven't heard or read any "outrage" at the "bird" per se. I have heard and read a LOT about the continuing immaturity of this young man.

As someone responded to me in another thread, he is a product of prosperity and entitlement, a "Richie Rich" so to speak. He is young and doesn't give a crap what anyone, including his coaches or owner, think. He's going to do his own thing.

But, if he gets a chance to play and WINS, then nobody will give a crap about what HE'S doing either. If he doesn't win, then he'll be like so many others, a journeyman backup for a while and then gone.

I wouldn't want him as a QB because he's too small, has a fairly weak arm and runs too much to survive in the NFL. At least that's how I see "Johnny Football".

 

[GiantCardFan]

Manziel is the same size as Russell Wilson. both about 5'11" and 205

 

[TRW]

Manziel is the same size as Russell Wilson. both about 5'11" and 205

I have the same concerns about Wilson to a degree. However, Wilson seems to have better instincts as far as taking what he can get and get out of bounds or down on the ground. I don't think Manziel, or RGIII, have that.

In addition, I think Manziel is not very fast/quick to outrun the pros like he did the college guys.

Just my thoughts and he may prove me wrong. He has "moxie" after all

 

[GiantCardFan]

I have the same concerns about Wilson to a degree. However, Wilson seems to have better instincts as far as taking what he can get and get out of bounds or down on the ground. I don't think Manziel, or RGIII, have that.

In addition, I think Manziel is not very fast/quick to outrun the pros like he did the college guys.

Just my thoughts and he may prove me wrong. He has "moxie" after all

Certainly agree about RGIII. Time will tell with Manziel. If he plays, lol

 

[cardpa]

Certainly agree about RGIII. Time will tell with Manziel. If he plays, lol

Read an article about RGIII and it really focused on RG not learning or still not understanding what it takes to protect himself at the QB position. Even Gruden his coach mentioned that they were not exactly happy that RG is not getting it and taking too many chances running the ball instead of just tossing it OB or taking the sack. Apparently he still has trouble sliding properly and is also sliding way too late to avoid the hit.

 

[CardsFan88]

It just brings me back to what Arians said.

When you've got two, you don't have one

The GM first screwed up by not getting a quality sure starting QB. He went into the year with Manziel and Hoyer. That's Whiz like.

The GM screwed up by making it a public competition. Especially by making a competition after seeing how badly he was in practice. If Manziel was playing lights out like Wilson, you'd know you had a QB and make a move.

The GM should of done a similar silent competition, because like it or not, every player, every year, at every position, should be in a silent competition. At least that's what I suspect a GM should do, evaluate everyone all the time, constantly.

If it's obvious you make a move.

This was only obvious the other way, that Johnny wasn't ready, and that's the nicest way you can put it.

They say they didn't want the hype getting involved, but they ensured that when they made the competition public.

They announced a competition because they didn't know what they were doing QB wise, and I'm now starting to suspect they aren't very good at evaluating QB's. So they opened up the competition because they really didn't know.

Then the way they handled it this last game where each QB starts a series makes both worse. It's not entirely to blame, but it does make both of their jobs harder (as well as everyone else on the offense).

There have also been rumors that the competition has irked Hoyer mentally.

So after making all these mistakes, at least CLE made the best choice in their current crappy situation. Start a guy, the most ready guy, and stick with him and give him the certainty and reps to prepare as best as possible for the season opener.

At least that's my opinion.

 

[GiantCardFan]

The GM first screwed up by not getting a quality sure starting QB.

There's no such thing as a sure, quality QB coming out of the draft. Ask Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell for starters. Anyone you draft is a crapshoot at the next level

 

[CardsFan88]

There's no such thing as a sure, quality QB coming out of the draft. Ask Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell for starters. Anyone you draft is a crapshoot at the next level

I meant veteran QB. They should of brought in someone who has experience and you know can legitimately start in the NFL.

You can't say that of Hoyer. He has been schooled up by the Patriots, but he also has barely started and his physical traits leave much to be desired. He also was coming off a knee injury in limited time. To have faith in him was foolhardy imo.

But I would say some QB's in the draft like Manning or Luck would also qualify.

Ryan Leaf was a headcase, which was known, and Russell was for his athleticism.

Manning and Luck were for their brains.

But overall Hoyer and Manziel don't meet any of those requirements and they just assumed one would be good enough for some reason. Just sounds a lot like a Whiz/Graves situation to me.

 

[GiantCardFan]

I meant veteran QB. They should of brought in someone who has experience and you know can legitimately start in the NFL.

You can't say that of Hoyer. He has been schooled up by the Patriots, but he also has barely started and his physical traits leave much to be desired. He also was coming off a knee injury in limited time. To have faith in him was foolhardy imo.

But I would say some QB's in the draft like Manning or Luck would also qualify.

Ryan Leaf was a headcase, which was known, and Russell was for his athleticism.

Manning and Luck were for their brains.

But overall Hoyer and Manziel don't meet any of those requirements and they just assumed one would be good enough for some reason. Just sounds a lot like a Whiz/Graves situation to me.

ok, fair enough I guess a team would have to have a pretty good 2 and 3 to trade on of them. I don't know how many teams are that deep or how high the price would be. But, yeah, you're safer getting a guy who's done it in the league.

 

[CardsFan88]

It's kind of funny sitting here as Cards fans because so much of this relates back to us.

We just went through this crap with Skelton/DWreck/Kolb/Lindley...and um yeah Hoyer.

So not only are we seeing something that was so painful that we finally got out of, it includes one of the players we went through. (and funny enough with DWreck, he too was also a Cleveland QB who went toe to toe with Brady Quinn...and was that year's Hoyer/Manziel debate for them).

What's interesting is that we had Hoyer, and then we signed Stanton. I definitely would prefer Stanton to Hoyer, but we kept him until we got Palmer. Once we got Palmer, we knew he'd be our 3rd string and we let him go.

Our staff had a plan from the get-go, and when that plan came through, they made moves.

So here we are seeing what would be the 3rd Qb on this team, or maybe not even on this team if Logan's play continues, and yet Cleveland thought this guy should be a starter and all they should get behind him was a flashy hype QB that has a ton of flaws and played school-yard football.

We had Hoyer on the roster, and our new staff got two veteran QB's ahead of him. Cleveland's new staff just rolled with him and Manziel.

The difference between how Arians/Keim handled things and how the Browns are handling things just seems light years apart, and I'm glad we are on the positive side of that comparison.

 

[kerouac9]

I meant veteran QB. They should of brought in someone who has experience and you know can legitimately start in the NFL.

To be fair to Cleveland, who would that have been? Jon Kitna? Josh McCown?