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[msdundee]

Josh Howard sprained his ankle again. He walked off the floor so it didn't look too bad.

 

[green machine]

Nuggs beat Mavs. And I think I'd rather play Lakers than the Nuggs in the first round.

Not me. The Lakers will bang around inside and push the Suns around some. I'm not saying the Lakers would win the series, but they would do a good job of beating up the Suns inside.

The Nuggets will run with the Suns and may steal a game or two but in the end it would be a less taxing series for Phoenix.

 

[cly2tw]

Not me. The Lakers will bang around inside and push the Suns around some. I'm not saying the Lakers would win the series, but they would do a good job of beating up the Suns inside.

The Nuggets will run with the Suns and may steal a game or two but in the end it would be a less taxing series for Phoenix.

Today, the Nugs won after Melo stopped doing his things for all prices and let AI create most of the time. When they mesh like that, they are nightmare for any team. Not to mention that Nene and Melo are much more devastating front court than what ever Lakers can offer. And 3 games will be played in the mile city.

With Lakers, there will be no surprise in my opinion. We know for a fact that Bryant and Odom (and plus the rest of the team) are substitutes not complements to each other.

Also, the Nugs bigs Camby and Nene will give Duncan a better game than the softies of the Lakers in Kwame and Bynum.

 

[D-Dogg]

Also, the Nugs bigs Camby and Nene will give Duncan a better game than the softies of the Lakers in Kwame and Bynum.

Kwame is anything but soft. Sorry, but he's one of the best big defenders in the league. A lot of the team's problems right now are that Kwame isn't playing. Kwame's defense is KEY for this Laker team...absolutely key. Bynum is paper soft (and 19 so I'm not worried...yet) and Turiaf is foul prone. Kwame is immovable.

Plus, Kwame and Bynum both play the center position. Lamar plays the forward. Luke plays the other forward.

Lakers are 2-1 v. Spurs this year, with the one loss a 2 point OT loss.

 

[elindholm]

Kwame is anything but soft. Sorry, but he's one of the best big defenders in the league.

You do realize that saying this several times a day doesn't make it true, right? Stoudemire vaporized Brown the last time they were matched up. I'll admit I haven't seen Brown play much this year -- of course, there's an excellent reason for that, which is that he's always hurt -- but what I've seen surely does not support the claim that he is "one of the best" big defenders in the league, unless you mean one of the 20 best, which he might be.

 

[az1965]

Kwame is anything but soft. Sorry, but he's one of the best big defenders in the league.

This must be intended as humor...

 

[D-Dogg]

You do realize that saying this several times a day doesn't make it true, right? Stoudemire vaporized Brown the last time they were matched up. I'll admit I haven't seen Brown play much this year -- of course, there's an excellent reason for that, which is that he's always hurt -- but what I've seen surely does not support the claim that he is "one of the best" big defenders in the league, unless you mean one of the 20 best, which he might be.

This must be intended as humor...

Lakers without Kwame 47% win percentage.
Lakers with Kwame 57% win percentage.

Phil Jackson tends to disagree with you and that's more than good enough for me.

BTW, Amare didn't even come close to "vaporizing" Kwame. He had a tough tiime shooting on him and getting the shot he wanted. Kwame only played 24 mintues and was in his second game back after missing 27 games injured. Amare was held to 17 points in the game (under his average), playing 38 minutes and doing most of his damage against Bynum (who he can have his way with). That's not "vaporizing" Kwame.

 

[Chaplin]

Lakers without Kwame 47% win percentage.
Lakers with Kwame 57% win percentage.

Phil Jackson tends to disagree with you and that's more than good enough for me.

BTW, Amare didn't even come close to "vaporizing" Kwame. He had a tough tiime shooting on him and getting the shot he wanted. Kwame only played 24 mintues and was in his second game back after missing 27 games injured. Amare was held to 17 points in the game (under his average), playing 38 minutes and doing most of his damage against Bynum (who he can have his way with). That's not "vaporizing" Kwame.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prove that Kwame freaking Brown is one of the top big defenders in the game. The guy can't even stay healthy! Your rose-colored glasses are working overtime on that one.

 

[D-Dogg]

There is no evidence whatsoever to prove that Kwame freaking Brown is one of the top big defenders in the game. The guy can't even stay healthy!

KG, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace have all commented on his defense on them.

Staying healthy and ability to defend are not related in any way...the guy has missed almost half the season this year but that doesn't make him any less of a defender.

He won't be playing Sunday, and Amare will likely have his way with Bynum and Ronny.

Your rose-colored glasses are working overtime on that one.

And your laker hater glasses are working overtime as well. Kwame is one of the guys I focus most of my attention on in half court defensive sets and I hope he stays a Laker for a long time...especially with the big-filled WC. He also sets great picks in the offensive sets (Kobe calls him his fullback).

No, he will never live up to his billing as a number one draft pick...if that is what you are measuring him against then he sucks. I don't measure him against that...I measure him against what is expected of him here in LA, and he delivers. He's overpaid at the moment based on tangible stats, but his intangibles are priceless..even if he can't hold on to a basketball to save his life.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KG, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace have all commented on his defense on them.

well if that's maestro of offensive basketball Ben Wallace says so, then it has to be true.

D-Dogg, you defending Kwame Brown as one of the "best" interior defenders is like Suns fans saying Doris ****** hasn't been a bust this season. Laughable at best.

 

[D-Dogg]

well if that's maestro of offensive basketball Ben Wallace says so, then it has to be true.

D-Dogg, you defending Kwame Brown as one of the "best" interior defenders is like Suns fans saying Doris ****** hasn't been a bust this season. Laughable at best.

Wallace's quote was that Kwame played like he did...comparing their defensive games. Kwame's not that good but his strength and ability to set and not be moved is wallace-like.

 

[elindholm]

Lakers without Kwame 47% win percentage.
Lakers with Kwame 57% win percentage.

I didn't say he doesn't make the Lakers better. Those statistics are completely irrelevant to your point.

Phil Jackson tends to disagree with you and that's more than good enough for me.

Oh please. You can't possibly pretend to know what Jackson is thinking. Every single thing that comes out of his mouth is spin. Surely you recognize that. I wouldn't trust Jackson to tell me the time of day, much less what he really thinks of his moody, mercurial big man.

BTW, Amare didn't even come close to "vaporizing" Kwame. He had a tough tiime shooting on him and getting the shot he wanted...

Okay, I stand corrected on this. Maybe I'm thinking of a different game or a different offensive player.

I think Brown is fine, but the evidence that he's a top interior defender is all in the imagination of Lakerdom.

 

[D-Dogg]

I didn't say he doesn't make the Lakers better. Those statistics are completely irrelevant to your point.

Half of my original point was that a lot of the Lakers woes come about because Kwame isn't playing and when he is he is playing hurt (offseason surgery planned). Luke has a huge affect on the offensive sets and his injuries have hurt the offensive sets (even moreso than Lamar's injuries--also having offseason surgery) while Kwame's have hurt the team defense. The Lakers are looking like a one and done team right now with their injuries, lack of confidence and general malaise. So the record did fit with my original point.

Oh please. You can't possibly pretend to know what Jackson is thinking. Every single thing that comes out of his mouth is spin. Surely you recognize that. I wouldn't trust Jackson to tell me the time of day, much less what he really thinks of his moody, mercurial big man.

Good point.

Okay, I stand corrected on this. Maybe I'm thinking of a different game or a different offensive player.

I'd be interested to see them go at it full strength....I like watching big men mix it up.

I think Brown is fine, but the evidence that he's a top interior defender is all in the imagination of Lakerdom.

It comes from me watching him defend others and others defend bigs. I'm not saying he's legendary, but defense from bigs in this league is sub-par...Kwame plays it well and that makes him good in my eyes.

And most of Lakerdom idiots expect Kwame to live up to his potential and be a 20-10 guy....I don't care about his potential and he is giving the Lakers team exactly what they need, when he is healthy. I'm probably in the minority of Laker fans in my praise for Kwame but I usually see the ones who are more knowledgeable about the team and basketball in general on my side than not. And yes, that is a slam on lakerfans.

 

[Chaplin]

No question the Lakers are better with Brown than without him, but he is not one of the best defending big men in the league. He just isn't.

 

[azirish]

No question the Lakers are better with Brown than without him, but he is not one of the best defending big men in the league. He just isn't.

K Brown is a shot blocker who can run. However, comparing him to top defenders misses a huge issue. He averages only .22 rebounds per minute. Compare that to Kurt Thomas who averages .31 rebounds per minute.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yeah, Kwame isn't a very strong rebounder...he seems to have trajectory issues and either breaks too soon or too late for a ball.

 

[Russ Smith]

Warriors lead by % points for the 8th playoff spot in the west!

 

[sunsfn]

HAWKS WIN!!

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Boston (23-54) 96
Atlanta (29-49) 104

Hawks pull out victory in battle of shorthanded teams

ATLANTA -- Tyronn Lue scored 26 points with 10 assists, and Zaza Pachulia had 22 points and 12 rebounds to help the Atlanta Hawks beat the Boston Celtics 104-96 on Tuesday night.

Gerald Green's career-high 33 points led Boston, which has lost six straight on the road and 18 of 20. Overall, the Celtics have a four-game losing streak.

The Hawks, who had dropped eight of nine, were without their top three leading scorers after Josh Smith earned a two-game suspension for arguing with coach Mike Woodson in an overtime loss at Philadelphia on Sunday.

Boston also didn't have its top three scorers as Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson and Wally Szczerbiak all missed the game with injuries.

Green hit a 3-pointer at the 4:55 mark of the second quarter to match Boston's biggest lead at 13, but Pachulia's 16-footer ended a 28-14 run to give the Hawks a 64-63 lead with 8:07 left in the third.

Leon Powe had 19 points and Rajon Rondo 16 as the Celtics fell to 23-54, worst in the Eastern Conference.

Marvin Williams scored 21 points for Atlanta, which has the third-worst record in the East at 29-49.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270410001

 

[jbeecham]

Warriors lead by % points for the 8th playoff spot in the west!

Clippers lost again so the Warriors have a 1/2 game lead on them now.

 

[boisesuns]

The grzzlies have secured the worst record in the NBA.

 

[tobiazz]

Boston is making sure they don't lose the #2 position by benching Pierce and Scalabrine and, possibly, West and Jefferson. That's funny. Pretty sure they won't win four in a row.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2834024

 

[S_Nash]

The Mavs defeated a T-Wolves team (sans Kevin Garnett) without Dirk, Damp, Stack and Harris.

Croshere stepped up, while Diop had a big game.

Did anyone see this game? Are the Mavs THAT deep, or does Garnett mean THAT much to the Wolves.

If it were the Suns playing the KG-less Wolves, I get the feeling it would've gone right down to the wire and we would've just squeaked out a win.

 

[TheHopToad]

If it were the Suns playing the KG-less Wolves, I get the feeling it would've gone right down to the wire and we would've just squeaked out a win.

The Suns have already played the Wolves without Garnett and beat them by 29.

 

[pokerface]

With the Buck loss tonight they would have to win 3-4 games and the Hawks would lose 3-4 games just to tie....in other words its a virtual lock that the Hawks wont do "better" than 4th worse record. The Bucks dont even seem worth following anymore because of this....

Cool thing too is the Hawks have a couple games buffer below them....one more Hawks loss would almost put a stranglehold on that 4th spot.

Lets just hope those ping pong balls dont go against the odds and move the Hawks up!

 

[tobiazz]

Lets just hope those ping pong balls dont go against the odds and move the Hawks up!

Play the lottery simulator on ESPN's site and you won't have too much hope left. Every time it comes up with the Hawks selecting Oden at #1 I get pissed off. It's almost a coin flip. Not quite, but close enough. If the Suns would take Noah with the 4-7th pick, I would probably rather they lose the pick though. I think his career will be like KT's. Not bad, but not impressive.